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sm0k4
LEDs surpass CFL and Floro, so I'm not sure what you mean by "comparison". Plus, without first hand knowledge on the subject, what credibility does that statement have?
At least you only think that and don't state is as fact like most with no hands on experience with the technology for horticultural use. I will reserve judgment for when my current LED test array is done flowering. If I get over 1 gpw you bet I'm building a 200W array in hopes to gain the same performance or better than a 400W HID. Will it cost more, yes, but thats not the point. Lower heat and less power consumption with the same amount of bud are the primary goals.
We can all speculate how we want, but until someone does the unbiased research on the matter without trying to make a dime in the process, we will never know. I often wonder whose grow journals are the companies that market the lights and am highly skeptical by nature, so I just built my own based off of KNNA's research.
200W of Cree LEDs are gonna put out a hell of a lot more photons with more efficiency than 200W worth of Chinese knock offs. Go read some data sheets, that is if you can find any for anything made in China.
This tech. isn't cheap, yet sadly most companies are, so do you think you are getting the best LEDs available when you purchase a light online? Chances are they have all that done in China and have no idea what LEDs are even on it. I would love to see the inner workings of some of these lights.
Usually price reflects quality with new technology. In the grow/hydro business community there seems to be different standards though, so its literally a crap shoot. One LED company claims 120W of their LED will put out more lumens than a 1000W HID. Funny stuff.
GLH does look worthy, at least there using different spectrum's then red / blue / white ..
my store has one in there "test" bed for veggies, and they say it's horse crap..
you take any pictures to show us?
You don't have to pay so much for led's. I picked up the 63w hgl light for $400 after shipping. It's pretty good. Then got the Gotham 250w bloom light for $290 after shipping. Gotham Hydros led lights actually work well, and you can't beat the price at nearly $1 per watt. I have the old 250w with 1, 3, and 5 watt cree diodes. The newer 240 watt on ebay just uses 3w diodes.
My only complaint is the footprint. I would be extremely impressed if someone pulled 1 gpw under their 240/250w light. You just have to pack multiple lights right next to each other, people should forget about gpw and start focusing on yield per sq ft. Take advantage of the cooler running lights by putting as many in your grow space as possible. Unfortunately that's how the retailers/manufacturers screw us, with the tiny footprint.
My only complaint is the footprint. I would be extremely impressed if someone pulled 1 gpw under their 240/250w light. You just have to pack multiple lights right next to each other, people should forget about gpw and start focusing on yield per sq ft. Take advantage of the cooler running lights by putting as many in your grow space as possible. Unfortunately that's how the retailers/manufacturers screw us, with the tiny footprint.
Any commercial grow lights using Cree XP-G emitters?
The XP-E's are sooo 2009.
In the LED game, nothing is the best for long. Next year, there will be brighter, cheaper and more efficient emitters than this year and so on and so on.
Unlike the proven HID and CFL, nothing is best in this field for long.
The UFO came out in 2006? That's ancient tech compared to what Cree and Luxeon are putting out right now. I'll bet that POS uses some cheap chinese knock off LEDs which dont hold a candle to the new XP-G R5, Q5 or S2 emitters.
You guys are chasing your tails with LEDs. It's like trying to have the fastest smartphone.
Six months from now, your shit is outdated.
The XP-E's are sooo 2009.
In the LED game, nothing is the best for long. Next year, there will be brighter, cheaper and more efficient emitters than this year and so on and so on.
Unlike the proven HID and CFL, nothing is best in this field for long.
The UFO came out in 2006? That's ancient tech compared to what Cree and Luxeon are putting out right now. I'll bet that POS uses some cheap chinese knock off LEDs which dont hold a candle to the new XP-G R5, Q5 or S2 emitters.
You guys are chasing your tails with LEDs. It's like trying to have the fastest smartphone.
Six months from now, your shit is outdated.
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sm0k4
XPE are still good. How do they become bad when new ones come out?
Dude,
I'm busting your chops.
XP-E's are the best thing if you want emitters in the 630 nm and 485 nm range.
Cree actually has emitters that almost quadruple the output of XP-Es, but they only come in shades of white (6500k, 4100k, 2900k, etc)
XP-Es were the rage in flashlights about 2 years ago. Most of today's flashlights use XP-G and XM-L emitters, because they are more power efficient, they use a smaller die and they are brighter. Flashaholics love bright lights.
I'm not sold on LED's yet. There are too many snake oil salesmen in the arena.
I'm busting your chops.
XP-E's are the best thing if you want emitters in the 630 nm and 485 nm range.
Cree actually has emitters that almost quadruple the output of XP-Es, but they only come in shades of white (6500k, 4100k, 2900k, etc)
XP-Es were the rage in flashlights about 2 years ago. Most of today's flashlights use XP-G and XM-L emitters, because they are more power efficient, they use a smaller die and they are brighter. Flashaholics love bright lights.
I'm not sold on LED's yet. There are too many snake oil salesmen in the arena.
Carforce420
Member
I'm completely sold on LEDs. The tech is here NOW and the DIY'ers among us can already have what we're all "waiting for" if you will.
It's just you can't really find a single distributor with a fair price that is forthcoming about what bins they use, square centimeters of their heatsinks, etc.
On top of that, one of the WORST problems with the commercial LED market is the conformity of footprints. You have the damn annoying UFO shapes, or you can get a 15.75 x 8.5 x 2.75'' rectangle with way too many diodes crammed into it. Other than that forget it pretty much, all US distributors seem to use the same housings from the same chinese manufacturers.
In that regard, HGL lights are actually appealing to me. At least they have different shapes, ie the 63w is a nice size/footprint for the amount of LEDs for a micro grow. OF course, it can't be that simple because of the shitstorms we've heard about her.
I digress. Frustrating market atm
It's just you can't really find a single distributor with a fair price that is forthcoming about what bins they use, square centimeters of their heatsinks, etc.
On top of that, one of the WORST problems with the commercial LED market is the conformity of footprints. You have the damn annoying UFO shapes, or you can get a 15.75 x 8.5 x 2.75'' rectangle with way too many diodes crammed into it. Other than that forget it pretty much, all US distributors seem to use the same housings from the same chinese manufacturers.
In that regard, HGL lights are actually appealing to me. At least they have different shapes, ie the 63w is a nice size/footprint for the amount of LEDs for a micro grow. OF course, it can't be that simple because of the shitstorms we've heard about her.
I digress. Frustrating market atm
@Sgt.Stedenko - i just want something that will do the job without eating much power or requiring venting, for my personal needs led seems so far to be filling the role. if the led lamp is working right now, in 1 year when there is newer tech available does that somehow mean that the plants suddenly don't like it and stop growing? i don't personally care about keeping with the joneses so to speak, i care about growing my own
I never said LEDs don't work, don't grow buds, aren't more energy efficient, etc.
I said the technology is still developing, you are going to pay through the nose for it right now, and in two to four years, that emitter array you bought will be outdated. It will still grow buds, but the newer stuff will make it look like an incandescent bulb.
When the technology is there for affordable LED arrays, I'll jump on board.
BTW, smokefrog,
Nice looking collection of plants you got there.
I said the technology is still developing, you are going to pay through the nose for it right now, and in two to four years, that emitter array you bought will be outdated. It will still grow buds, but the newer stuff will make it look like an incandescent bulb.
When the technology is there for affordable LED arrays, I'll jump on board.
BTW, smokefrog,
Nice looking collection of plants you got there.
i'm sorry man, i took it the wrong way i guess
i work in the i.t. industry, i hear so many users say things like, "the ipad 2 is out, the original ipad is now obsolete" i get part of what they mean, but the original or older version still does the job it was originally setup for, maybe not as quick and well as the new version, but it's not really obsolete
that's all i was trying to get at really. it's like yes there are rad 2011 models that can do twice as much with the same amount of input electricity, but the old 2009 model that vegged stuff adequately to my needs then still works the same now
thanks btw, i'm learning and just trying to gather up some different building blocks to collide together with each other, the long flowering ones are a real winner as far as building my patience up haha
i work in the i.t. industry, i hear so many users say things like, "the ipad 2 is out, the original ipad is now obsolete" i get part of what they mean, but the original or older version still does the job it was originally setup for, maybe not as quick and well as the new version, but it's not really obsolete
that's all i was trying to get at really. it's like yes there are rad 2011 models that can do twice as much with the same amount of input electricity, but the old 2009 model that vegged stuff adequately to my needs then still works the same now
thanks btw, i'm learning and just trying to gather up some different building blocks to collide together with each other, the long flowering ones are a real winner as far as building my patience up haha
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sm0k4
I'm completely sold on LEDs. The tech is here NOW and the DIY'ers among us can already have what we're all "waiting for" if you will.
It's just you can't really find a single distributor with a fair price that is forthcoming about what bins they use, square centimeters of their heatsinks, etc.
On top of that, one of the WORST problems with the commercial LED market is the conformity of footprints. You have the damn annoying UFO shapes, or you can get a 15.75 x 8.5 x 2.75'' rectangle with way too many diodes crammed into it. Other than that forget it pretty much, all US distributors seem to use the same housings from the same chinese manufacturers.
In that regard, HGL lights are actually appealing to me. At least they have different shapes, ie the 63w is a nice size/footprint for the amount of LEDs for a micro grow. OF course, it can't be that simple because of the shitstorms we've heard about her.
I digress. Frustrating market atm
I like you.
Been doing your research I take it?
el clandestino
super chato
I guess no one read this cause I am still the only supernova grower on ICmag.
My Original post.
I have been growing with a led supernova enhanced spectrum from hidhut for almost a year now . I read alot about leds and I dont usually get involved, but I feel I owe it to the people who are seriously intrested in leds. My led cost me 1400 clams and it was worth every penny. I refuse to speak badly about other led as I have not used an other. If you want to see what my led can do have a look at what it can do for yourself on my page. I did a lot of research before I bought my nova, and If I had listened to alot of talk about leds being inferior to hids ,I would have missed out. I started a thread when I 1st joined I.C. asking if I was the only one on this forum growing with a nova, and I believe I am still the only one. Anyone else ???? Most know someone who had one, (no proof) and there grows were subpar. I stand by my Hidhut supernova 100%. Dont believe everything your told. Dont even believe me, Im high.
Update!!!! Iam still growing with my Hidhut supernova, and its still cranking out the colas. I have had no problems with it what so ever, and it still makes me smile to know that Iam the only member on I.C. MAG who runs a supernova. I said it before and Ill say it again. The biggest problem I see with Leds is all the people who have no led grow experience trying to give others advise based only on assumptions not facts. Iam not saying my led is the best , but It could have easily paid for it self on the 1st run. If I had waited around for someone else to use the nova before I bought it, I still would have been sitting on my ass waiting, instead of harvesting dank led buds every week.
My Original post.
I have been growing with a led supernova enhanced spectrum from hidhut for almost a year now . I read alot about leds and I dont usually get involved, but I feel I owe it to the people who are seriously intrested in leds. My led cost me 1400 clams and it was worth every penny. I refuse to speak badly about other led as I have not used an other. If you want to see what my led can do have a look at what it can do for yourself on my page. I did a lot of research before I bought my nova, and If I had listened to alot of talk about leds being inferior to hids ,I would have missed out. I started a thread when I 1st joined I.C. asking if I was the only one on this forum growing with a nova, and I believe I am still the only one. Anyone else ???? Most know someone who had one, (no proof) and there grows were subpar. I stand by my Hidhut supernova 100%. Dont believe everything your told. Dont even believe me, Im high.
Update!!!! Iam still growing with my Hidhut supernova, and its still cranking out the colas. I have had no problems with it what so ever, and it still makes me smile to know that Iam the only member on I.C. MAG who runs a supernova. I said it before and Ill say it again. The biggest problem I see with Leds is all the people who have no led grow experience trying to give others advise based only on assumptions not facts. Iam not saying my led is the best , but It could have easily paid for it self on the 1st run. If I had waited around for someone else to use the nova before I bought it, I still would have been sitting on my ass waiting, instead of harvesting dank led buds every week.
@el_clandestino - hey man, is it the 270watt enhanced spectrum model you're using?
this one:
http://www.hidhut.com/catalog/led-supernova-270w-enhanced-spectrum-led-grow-lights-p-1759.html
this one:
http://www.hidhut.com/catalog/led-supernova-270w-enhanced-spectrum-led-grow-lights-p-1759.html
el clandestino
super chato
Hey Smoke, Yes thats the one I own.
I love hidhut.
Fast shipping and great people.
Fast shipping and great people.
