What has happened with the human race?

[Hydrosun]

It's illegal... schedule 1. That's the biggest regulation we got. And why does everybody have to die to make your point?

People need to die to prove your point of UNSAFE and need for regulation.

If people aren't getting killed or injured from a product where is your rational for regulation?

Is this a product that regulation can make safer? If so a baseline of its unsafe nature would be known to us, what is the danger regulation will save us from? How expensive will this regulation be?

Prohibition is not regulation, so your schedule I argument seems odd. If schedule I was the greatest regulation and lead to the greatest safety why wouldn't all other substances on that list be as benign as cannabis?

I really enjoy discussing gardening over politics with you.

 

[OsWiZzLe]

Social Engineering is such a muthaphucka..... Look at Glen Beck with his Muslim Phobia...OH Lord the Muslim Brotherhood is going to take over the world ....please....TV is the worst thing to ever happen to humans....lets take back control of our media..and fuck companies like Lockheed Martin!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

People need to die to prove your point of UNSAFE and need for regulation.

If people aren't getting killed or injured from a product where is your rational for regulation?

Is this a product that regulation can make safer? If so a baseline of its unsafe nature would be known to us, what is the danger regulation will save us from? How expensive will this regulation be?

Prohibition is not regulation, so your schedule I argument seems odd. If schedule I was the greatest regulation and lead to the greatest safety why wouldn't all other substances on that list be as benign as cannabis?

I really enjoy discussing gardening over politics with you.

TBH you're a good debate, even if we disagree on something. I should have made the grower scenario national. If (not necessarily when) growers affect the health and safety of employees, consumers and/or the environment, regulations will follow.

I know that supports your argument that regulation raises consumer costs and taxes our income. But this cost weighs against the probability we'd have more unsafe products, work places and environment w/o regulations.

But there has to be balance. Even I recognize there's such a thing as too much or inappropriate regulation. But IMO, the repeal of Glass Stegall will return us to the 1920s where robber barons and monopolies were the norm.

Lawmakers don't necessarily have a big book of items to regulate at will. Lawmakers are lobbied by the very people harmed by all walks of industrial-scale commerce. When commerce is deemed harmful yet too big to fail, we regulate so that all follow the same protocols for safety and health.

 

[wiseone]

Wow!!!!
I come back online and this has gotten to be pretty long. Def. need to catch up with the reading.
Just wanted to update as if anybody cares, that a few good hours spent with good friends helps to take ones mind of the crap that's bothering them. After a good meal of BBQ, fajitas,etc. we decided to get ourselves ready for the show with some very nice wunderberry that my buddy brought over:





Shit had me smiling from ear to ear the rest of the night. Have a good one folks.

 

[Piel]

I think that this thread has spread from the original thought -why are we aggressive etc. National politics are important but what about our basic morals?
Not trolling just wondering.

 

[Madrus Rose]

Think the better question OP would be ...."What hasn't Happened (enough) to the Human Race" (that answer might have something to do with "Enlightenment" among other things )

Always liked a powerful excerp from chapter 10 of Tono Bungay from HG Well's semi
autobiographical novel written back in 1910 ,

HG Wells one of the the "great explainers" of the human race ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tono-Bungay

" In these plethoric times, when there is too much coarse stuff for everybody and the struggle for life takes the form of a competitive advertisement and the effort to fill your neighbor's eye, there is no urgent demand either for personal courage, sound nerves or stark beauty, we find ourselves by accident. Always before these times the bulk of the people did not overeat themselves because they couldn't, whether they wanted to or not, and all but a very few were kept "fit" by unavoidable exercise and personal danger. Now if only he pitches his standard low enough and keep free from pride, almost anyone can achieve a sort of excess. You can go through contemporary life fudging and evading, indulging and slacking, never really hungry nor frightened nor passionately stirred, your highest moment a mere sentimental orgasm, and your first real contact with primary and elemental necessities the sweat of your death bed. - HG Wells
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[motaco]

Its an odd thing and I could be wrong but I think it has to do with democracy. I think if you asked a cambodian rice farmer what he thought about the IMF planning alternative reserve currency to the dollar. First he would say "whats the IMF?" then he'd say "why are you asking me? I'm a rice farmer in Cambodia."

If you asked an American the same question I think they'd say "whats the IMF" and then they would give you a long unfounded and ignorant opinion they were prepared to argue with you about. The premise that you don't know what you are talking about so you should shut up seems enraging to many Americans. They will argue a topic with a man who has a phd if they read a Time magazine article about it in a doctors office one time.

The whole "We report, You decide, We listen" premise gives people overinflated egos and self worth. They don't have to know anything to think everyone should listen to them about everything.

I think the very fact that they encourage everyone (or perhaps better worded with ANYONE) to share their opinions makes people think they are right. Telling someone they don't know what they are talking about and they should shut up is incredibly insulting to many westerners, yet its pretty good advice.

When you expect your ideas to be treated equally despite not having any accreditations it gives people a false sense of omnipotence. They think they know what is right. Even if they don't know what they are talking about.

Hence killing illegal aliens. She probably thinks its a very practical way to stop illegal immigrants from living in the country. I live in the south and I can promise you if you sit in a barbershop for 15 min you'll hear very similar opinions. They just don't go as far as to actually kill one.

 

[Piel]

M: Word.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

TBH you're a good debate, even if we disagree on something. I should have made the grower scenario national. If (not necessarily when) growers affect the health and safety of employees, consumers and/or the environment, regulations will follow.

I know that supports your argument that regulation raises consumer costs and taxes our income. But this cost weighs against the probability we'd have more unsafe products, work places and environment w/o regulations.

But there has to be balance. Even I recognize there's such a thing as too much or inappropriate regulation. But IMO, the repeal of Glass Stegall will return us to the 1920s where robber barons and monopolies were the norm.

Lawmakers don't necessarily have a big book of items to regulate at will. Lawmakers are lobbied by the very people harmed by all walks of industrial-scale commerce. When commerce is deemed harmful yet too big to fail, we regulate so that all follow the same protocols for safety and health.

I honestly believe that the prohibition has led to all the things that you say it should be a schedule drug for...

Your right... with growing people ruin houses and cause saftey issue for people OUTSIDE themselfs... BUT.... if you made it legal it would naturally regulate itself... one way or another...., I have had this big idea to basically make a business that regulates the market for you....

Basically my idea is for a association that will set high standards for everyone in it... Regarding pesticides growing hazards saftey of grow all that shit... The idea is to basically set the bar so that people wont even want to buy shit that didnt have the associations seal of approval....

There would need to be check ups, building inspections, weed would have to be tested all kinds of shit... But instead of going to jail for bad practices you lose the certification... And the whole point of this will be that the certification signifies safe medicine and hopefully there buy we can get all the shops to only buy certified medicine.....

i beilive if we had more legal laws that someone would do this and this would be the future of our markets....

but theres no need for MJ to be a schedule I because of some people that cant grow safely....

If you go by those rules then EVERYTHING should be schedule I including EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that comes from China....

 

[SexInTheCity]

Amazing thread...I don't have much to add but I think it has to do alot with distractions...I think everyone has to improve "YOU" and really understand "YOU"...We live in a day of mechanical and technological takeover, but when we look at all the technology these corporations are selling 99% is not needed. We need to understand ourselves more and treat mother nature better. Many great points on this thread...great minds on ICMAG...

 

[pearlemae]

There has always been some form of government ever since man banded together and rode around on dinosaurs( a bow to the creationists),be it a tribal council or a strongman type of chief.
I think the recent failures of our society, the last 50-60 years has been due to the break up of the extended family,which led to a sense of community and belonging to that community. The years after WWII saw the decline of "FAMILY". Grandma and grandpa if there are either, live in another state now,see em once a year or so. So the extended families of old are gone, hell Grandma today has rebuilt tits and drives a mercedes. ITS become every man for himself and that has led to a decline in societal mores.

 

[mosstrooper]

Something hardly anyone ever ,mentions with regard to modern conditions is the fact that most adults drive rather than walking as a general rule, even relatively urban people drive their car to the shops and back, the fact that we are so removed from each other only serves to objectify and alienate, im not surprised so many people go radio rental these days. We have abandoned the young in this respect too, people out on the street are the young, the very old, the crazy, the illegals, but not your ordinary adults. Obviously this is a shocking generalisation, but nevertheless i think its true.

 

[motaco]

I think pearl and moss made good points, but I'd take them a little different.

As pearl was saying we always had a chief of some sort. Our politicians these days are so goddamn scared of being voted out that they just follow what the people want. Well thats mob rule. The people are idiots. They want things like more services and less taxes, but no deficit. They don't understand things that complex but politicians are scared to go against them. So we end up with sycophant politicians that line their pockets with our tax dollars whenever they can but they have no vision or leadership.

And as moss said we are all so alone and alienated from other people. There is no sense of community except phony flag patriotism. I remember they took a tribe from papua new guinea and brought them to new york. They were walking down the street smiling and waving to people who would avoid eye contact.

They all commented on "what type of world do you live in that you don't smile and say hello when you pass?". Of course its New York. You simply can't smile and greet everyone that passes you on the street. The sheer number of people we live around ironically serves to isolate us from our fellow man.

 

[Anti]

They all commented on "what type of world do you live in that you don't smile and say hello when you pass?". Of course its New York. You simply can't smile and greet everyone that passes you on the street. The sheer number of people we live around ironically serves to isolate us from our fellow man.

Dawkins discusses this quite a bit in his work. There would be an evolutionary advantage to people who live in small tribes to be friendly and helpful to the people they meet and interact with on a day-to-day basis, simply because they are likely to be meeting and interacting with people who they will see again in the future, and who can reciprocate when today's giver becomes tomorrow's friend-in-need.

In a city of millions of people, there is little evolutionary advantage to being kind to everyone you see because there is little chance that that goodwill will be reciprocated.

It is theorized that given enough generations of city dwellers, this trait (to be nice to people you meet) may die off.

Similar reasons (IMHO) for why the people who seem the most self-centered and evil seem to get so much further in our society. They understand and rely on people's genetic disposition to be fair, friendly and helpful while simultaneously realizing that they themselves can benefit more by simply NOT being fair, friendly or helpful.

The best and only realistic way to combat this would be to figure out a way to reward people for kindness to strangers, while simultaneously punishing those who are selfish and greedy.

If there is an evolutionary advantage to being kind to strangers, you will see it more and more represented in the population.

 

[darkhorse]

There has always been some form of government ever since man banded together and rode around on dinosaurs( a bow to the creationists),be it a tribal council or a strongman type of chief.
I think the recent failures of our society, the last 50-60 years has been due to the break up of the extended family,which led to a sense of community and belonging to that community. The years after WWII saw the decline of "FAMILY". Grandma and grandpa if there are either, live in another state now,see em once a year or so. So the extended families of old are gone, hell Grandma today has rebuilt tits and drives a mercedes. ITS become every man for himself and that has led to a decline in societal mores.

i think there has always been a government since a few lazy baldy
inteligent men worked out how to make something off other hard working peoples labour,lol.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think one area we've failed is systemic risk (bubbles). The short take aka buy low, sell high has grown to the point that greed overtakes logic and reasoning. Philanthropy hasn't kept up with wealth and global catastrophes aren't remedied fast enough.

I honestly believe that the prohibition has led to all the things that you say it should be a schedule drug for...

Your right... with growing people ruin houses and cause saftey issue for people OUTSIDE themselfs... BUT.... if you made it legal it would naturally regulate itself... one way or another...., I have had this big idea to basically make a business that regulates the market for you....

Basically my idea is for a association that will set high standards for everyone in it... Regarding pesticides growing hazards saftey of grow all that shit... The idea is to basically set the bar so that people wont even want to buy shit that didnt have the associations seal of approval....

I never said mj should be schedule 1. I just reflected the fact it is. I'm all for your idea of certification but IMO, conventional regulation serves the task. A free market certification with no law behind it is not unlike the AAA ratings that Moody's and other ratings agencies gave CDOs. I wouldn't worry about indoor growers wrecking the global economy but most anywhere you have lawless commerce, humans will rig the system.

Regulation doesn't say everybody will break the mold but history is replete with what happens when safeguards aren't in place.

There would need to be check ups, building inspections, weed would have to be tested all kinds of shit... But instead of going to jail for bad practices you lose the certification... And the whole point of this will be that the certification signifies safe medicine and hopefully there buy we can get all the shops to only buy certified medicine.....

There were no regulations in place to tank Moody's and like ratings agencies when they rated a single mortgage AAA, packed 29 other junk mortgages with it and sold the lot as AAA CDO. Insult was added to injury when AIG couldn't back the bogus insurance policies meant to pay when the CDO didn't. Every facet of home ownership was compromised to allow industrial scale fraud that enriched a few at the expense of global commerce. Regulation with teeth would have prevented much of this activity. We would have still had defaults but it would have only been to the degree that proper risk assessments dictated.

I had to have my panel inspected when I set up the garage as a wood shop. When weed is legalized, I'd like to see growers have to meet the same standard of safety and reliability, scaled according to size of course.

i beilive if we had more legal laws that someone would do this and this would be the future of our markets....

If by "legal" you mean moral, we'd have a lengthy debate over what's "legal". But I won't do that here. Regulations aren't invented for fluff, they're created by the people that are disaffected by the negative aspects of commerce, ie greed, product/worker/environmental safety, etc. Any regulation you pick has a history of abuse whether it's negligence, profit motivated or both.

but theres no need for MJ to be a schedule I because of some people that cant grow safely....

I believe the schedule 1 thing is no medicinal purpose. I don't agree with the fact it's restricted at all but it's reality.

If you go by those rules then EVERYTHING should be schedule I including EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that comes from China....

As long as we're contracted to buy their stuff, I'm hopeful that inspectors will keep the damaged goods out of the hands of consumers. Unfortunately we don't do a perfect job but we can't let perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[Green lung]

A bunch of cowards.


Look around............... Americans are a bunch of cowards.




I'm talking about standing up for whats right, in all different aspects of life business, personal life, politics ect.

 

[Piel]

GL: Here, here!

 

[lost in a sea]

what happened to the "home of the brave" lol

 

[pmoney]

big business controls all