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Sealed room help lots of questions...
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You guys that are doing sealed rooms is it a must to use Co2? I have a room that I'm using that is sealed. I dont want to get into Co2. I will need to bring in fresh air correct. I can only do this by cutting a hole in the floor and adding a in line to blow air into the room. Right now I dont have any air going into the room. There is a portable AC unit in there that is cooling the room Im exhausting the air through the floor as well.
I found this guy and seems like he has some good gear for half the price.
http://dxsoundco.com/why_four_prongs.htm
I found this guy and seems like he has some good gear for half the price.
http://dxsoundco.com/why_four_prongs.htm
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Hammer it doesn't sound like you are running a sealed room, air coming in or going out is a no no.
You do need c02 in a true "selaed" environment. The plants breath co2, it would be like one of us locked in a box with no fesh oxygen = DEAD
You should see my hi-tech planted freshwater aquarium plants when they are breathing. I have co2 induction in my aquarium, appropiate t-5 HO lighting, good medium and nutes. Towards the end of the light cycle, the plants are literally just BLOWING oxygen bubbles out their stomatas. You would be surprised how much my small aquarium plants are breathing.
Interested? Here is my inspiration to my new lifelong hobby, aquascaping:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uafmRtpK7T0
Its just like having another room to dial in
Very peaceful maintenanceing it. No loud pumps surface disription, completely stable ecosystem all on its own.
Ok back to sealed rooms, another reason for having higher co2 concentration in a sealed environment is the higher temps. In a a true sealed co2 room, you should be running 82-85F during lights on, hotter then normal. This increased heat speeds up their metabolism and lets them use more co2. Normally high heat is like being on a treadmill with no air to breath, but with stable co2 they thrive.
Another good point, you want controlled co2 in a sealed room, to make it as stable as possible. Large swings are no good, IE: 1000-1500 ppm. You want the smallest swing possible that way the plants are thriving 100% of the time.
Many run co2 and watch the ppms, but don't watch their temps much in corrolation with co2. If you are running 1500ppm at 78F you are wasting your gas, get them up to 84F or so.
You do need c02 in a true "selaed" environment. The plants breath co2, it would be like one of us locked in a box with no fesh oxygen = DEAD
You should see my hi-tech planted freshwater aquarium plants when they are breathing. I have co2 induction in my aquarium, appropiate t-5 HO lighting, good medium and nutes. Towards the end of the light cycle, the plants are literally just BLOWING oxygen bubbles out their stomatas. You would be surprised how much my small aquarium plants are breathing.
Interested? Here is my inspiration to my new lifelong hobby, aquascaping:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uafmRtpK7T0
Its just like having another room to dial in
Very peaceful maintenanceing it. No loud pumps surface disription, completely stable ecosystem all on its own.Ok back to sealed rooms, another reason for having higher co2 concentration in a sealed environment is the higher temps. In a a true sealed co2 room, you should be running 82-85F during lights on, hotter then normal. This increased heat speeds up their metabolism and lets them use more co2. Normally high heat is like being on a treadmill with no air to breath, but with stable co2 they thrive.
Another good point, you want controlled co2 in a sealed room, to make it as stable as possible. Large swings are no good, IE: 1000-1500 ppm. You want the smallest swing possible that way the plants are thriving 100% of the time.
Many run co2 and watch the ppms, but don't watch their temps much in corrolation with co2. If you are running 1500ppm at 78F you are wasting your gas, get them up to 84F or so.
dunkydunk
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I'm a little unsure on this point. Outdoor CO2 levels are around 400 ppm. Indoor Co2 levels are around 1000 ppm. If my burner is turned off but the sensor is on, I've never seen the CO2 drop below 700 ppm, which is still well above outdoor levels, but obviously is below indoor specs. So how necessary it is, I'm not certain. I certainly don't think it hurts anything, and elevated levels are shown to be beneficial, but simply being beneficial doesn't make it absolutely necessary.
But I definitely think you can't do a sealed room without a dehuey. Gotta have it.
As for your description Hammerhead, if you have a portable AC exhausting through the floor, then your room isn't sealed. Adding CO2 wouldn't be feasible in that situation.
I ment the room is sealed(walk in closet) if I want fresh air I will need to get it in there. Thats pretty much what I suspected. I dont want to get into the Co2 and equipment I been there did that. Now I just need enough for myself and some friends so looks like I will be cutting some holes in the floor did not want to do that but dont have a choice..
You guys that do have sealed rooms dont cool the room? How do you keep the temps below 90?
You guys that do have sealed rooms dont cool the room? How do you keep the temps below 90?
I would disagree Poopy.
People have asked "why doesn't the moon hermie my shit, why are small light leaks such a problem indoors"
What I read was spot on.
The sun puts out some intesne freaking light. The difference between sun and moon is SO GREAT outdoors that the moon isn't enough to wake them up, not even comparable.
Indoors our artificail lights cannot come anywhere near close the power of the sun, therefore a smaller sized light leak is alot closer to the daytime light.
Say like the sun/moon is 1x10000000000000 difference where indoors the bulb/led is 1x100000 difference. I always cover them up for peace of mind, of course most the time they won't be a problem.
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Cheeb
Sealed rooms never have any intake/outake so they MUST be cooled using an air-conditioner.
If you cannot run an AC in a particular space your best bet is to run it unsealed w/o co2 and just use active exhaust / passive intake to keep the temperature down.
AC, Dehumidifier, and Co2 are ALL absolute musts in a sealed room environment.
On a side note - running co2 in a room that is otherwise not sealed w/ AC your just wasting your time in my opinion. You'll constantly be filling w/ co2 - then exhausting the space due to temps - then re-filling the space w/ co2 - having to exhaust, ect. Its a waste of co2 and time.
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you wont see levels drop while you are in the room. i alone can boost my rooms level to over 2000ppm with just me breathing!
cannascholar
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According to Backcountry, the sun is 500,000 times more intense than the moon. But you're right about light leaks being more detrimental than moonlight.
Another good dehumidifier is Drieaz. Their entry level model can be had for $935 here http://www.amgair.com/products/Dri%2dEaz-CMC100-Compact-Crawlspace-Dehumidifier.html. It comes with a real nice pump so no bucket non-sense. It's important to note that they pull significantly less power which will save money/add lights.
Having a relay on your AC connecting to a growroom controller would be nice and save power as well. While the ac's do have a thermostat, they are not nearly as accurate. Mine stayed on constantly day and night when I relied on the built-in thermostat.
Good luck and keep us posted!
The thing I have against generators is the CO. I know they have probably been tuned to produce more CO2 than CO, but especially when you seal up your room, and that generator sucks all the O2 out of the room, I think CO becomes a primary or at least equal product in terms of mols. I'm not 100% sure of this, as in there might be some other factor inhibiting this, but without excess O2, I'm 95% sure that CO will be produced a lot more than one would want.
With that said they add heat. Why not just get a tank? you still have to fill up propane.
I know plants give off O2, but at a rate to sustain a generator? Possibly I think, but I really dont know and wouldn't count on it until I was sure.
With that said they add heat. Why not just get a tank? you still have to fill up propane.
I know plants give off O2, but at a rate to sustain a generator? Possibly I think, but I really dont know and wouldn't count on it until I was sure.
Dr. Buddington
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I think its a lot less sketchy to bring in a bbq propane tank into your house than a CO2 tank. Especially if you got eyes watching you.
As for CO, I've ran a sealed room for a few years and I've been using CAP generator and controller from back when they just started out. I have 3 CO/smoke alarms around the area and have not had a single sensor go off. I check the batteries regularly too.
BTW did you know that most smoke alarms contain radioactive material?! Check the back of it, you don't wanna have too much of that shit in your house.
As for CO, I've ran a sealed room for a few years and I've been using CAP generator and controller from back when they just started out. I have 3 CO/smoke alarms around the area and have not had a single sensor go off. I check the batteries regularly too.
BTW did you know that most smoke alarms contain radioactive material?! Check the back of it, you don't wanna have too much of that shit in your house.
true I took down one that was hard wired it no longer worked. Right inside has that radioactive sticker. I was like WTF.
Yeah, just dont take them apart and you'll be fine. They are safe in their little enclosures..
Its good to have a CO alarm near it..
And why not unload the CO2 tank into your garage from your car? Its not that sketchy, but I do agree propane is more 'normal' than a gas tank..
Its good to have a CO alarm near it..
And why not unload the CO2 tank into your garage from your car? Its not that sketchy, but I do agree propane is more 'normal' than a gas tank..
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bongbong
I've been running tents in a sealed room for two years and never thought about going back. (Unsealed) the Frigidaire dehueys are fuckin awesome and super quiet. I think one would handle 4k honestly. But for the price you could have one on each end and still save a thousand over the Dante fe
Thanks so much for the info here really solid and concise thread. I am busy right now and no internet access but will be ordering equipment soon and will update everyone on how things go.
