Official ICM 420 Growers/Breeders Cup 2011 Info

[cheesey]

Hi DG,

Firstly many thanks for taking it on to organise this whole thing, much appreciated and sad not to see an entry of yours due to this, hopefully someone will enter some of yours in the Growers cup.

I will be sending in 2 entries for Growers, so I get given Judges packs for Breeder Indica and Breeder Sativa ? How do I go about booking it and making sure I do not miss a pack ?

Finally, the idea mentioned earlier about entrants pre packaging entries came about last year, not only does it save the organisers time, but the entries get to the Judges in perfect condition. Many of us felt they had lost a little something from sitting around getting weighed out or separated. If you sent out the bags to us we could do it, if not I want to send mine in individually and you can repack it. Entrants can easily send in a photo or 3 of the entry themselves whicn would also save you guys and gals time.

All the best
C

you dont get given Judges packs for Breeder Indica and Breeder Sativa there 150 euro each ...

and i agree about sending the buds in in 1g buds trimmed nice and ready . . after looking at some of the photos from past cups they look like buds what have been in your pocket after a 20 mile run ...

 

[Dutchgrown]

Hi Chaos....look forward to seeing you at the cup again.

Judge packs are available for purchase on Seedbay. If you enter as a grower, you can only purchase a breeder category judge pass (indica or sativa).

Those who are an entrant get 1 free guest pass, but not a judge package.

We simply can not be posting out empty packs for use so that all entries are in like packages....but...those who want to send their entry in as pre-weighed 1g nugs, or pre-packaged, are welcome to do so...but should the packaging not be identical to what we use, the entry will get re-packed and labeled after the photo shoot.

 

[cheesey]

Hi Chaos....look forward to seeing you at the cup again.

Judge packs are available for purchase on Seedbay. If you enter as a grower, you can only purchase a breeder category judge pass (indica or sativa).

Those who are an entrant get 1 free guest pass, but not a judge package.

We simply can not be posting out empty packs for use so that all entries are in like packages....but...those who want to send their entry in as pre-weighed 1g nugs, or pre-packaged, are welcome to do so...but should the packaging not be identical to what we use, the entry will get re-packed and labeled after the photo shoot.

thats good ... the way u worded it at the begining of the thread looked like big buds for who ever to chop down to 1g .

 

[Dutchgrown]

cheesey.....some growers, and breeders, prefer to send colas. Although it's usually the local entries that don't have to ship and want their entry to be in pristine photographic state. Perhaps it's easier for the sender, perhaps they want their entry photographed in whole, it makes no difference really....to each their own....is up to each grower or breeder who enters to send what 'they' choose to enter, whether it be smaller buds, large cola, whatever....as long as it is 28g....and we are able to place 1g into each sample baggie.

 

[Hoover_lungz]

Hi Chaos....look forward to seeing you at the cup again.

Judge packs are available for purchase on Seedbay. If you enter as a grower, you can only purchase a breeder category judge pass (indica or sativa).

Those who are an entrant get 1 free guest pass, but not a judge package.

We simply can not be posting out empty packs for use so that all entries are in like packages....but...those who want to send their entry in as pre-weighed 1g nugs, or pre-packaged, are welcome to do so...but should the packaging not be identical to what we use, the entry will get re-packed and labeled after the photo shoot.

DG can you let us know what type of baggies you will be using?? then we can send our entries in the correct packaging

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Hi Chaos....look forward to seeing you at the cup again.

Judge packs are available for purchase on Seedbay. If you enter as a grower, you can only purchase a breeder category judge pass (indica or sativa).

Those who are an entrant get 1 free guest pass, but not a judge package.

We simply can not be posting out empty packs for use so that all entries are in like packages....but...those who want to send their entry in as pre-weighed 1g nugs, or pre-packaged, are welcome to do so...but should the packaging not be identical to what we use, the entry will get re-packed and labeled after the photo shoot.

Hi there DG,

Many thanks for your reply, also looking forward to seeing you and the rest there.

I am sorry I had misunderstood what I get for entering.

If I only get a guest pass for sending in 2 or 3 entries and still have to shell out £600 for the privilege of buying back my own weed it is not really encouraging me to enter now is it ?

You want me to send you 3 ounces for free yet want to charge me $600 for 1 ounce just the same as any old punter who walks in off the street ? That is not really fair now is it ?

This is absolutely not a moan, I do really appreciate the work, money, dedication and effort that goes in to running this thing, as I said before, few seem to have noticed DG has effectively had to pull out her own Dutchgrown Seeds stuff so she can run this for us, a very kind gesture that is greatly appreciated.

Likewise I was also asking for a tiny change that allows entrants to Judge in their own categories, all you would have to do is enter an average score, very easy with the Excel package you use, in fact, you must be doing it already to take account of the people who send in blank spaces where there should be scores.

This would allow DG to enter too, although I do realise there is a clear problem with jealous halfwits sniping from the shadows, I just find it really unfair that DG cannot enter some of her Professional work for us to see, because she is kind enough to run the whole party for our benifit.

As others have asked/mentioned, if we can see all the scores afterwards it stops silly rumours about people getting their mates along to skew the scores and it could also make for a neat "Judge the Judges"... where Excel could easily show us the Judge whose scores are closest to the average... the best Judge...

Re the baggies, thankyou, if we can send in a bud pic and the entries all bagged separately then plenty of us will, even if you have to change the bags into Std. Judging bags, it will be quicker than dividing 28 into 1's and out precious entries will be left out in the air/heat and generally bashed about less, better preserving their qualities.

Best of luck to all.
C

 

[cheesey]

As others have asked/mentioned, if we can see all the scores afterwards it stops silly rumours about people getting their mates along to skew the scores and it could also make for a neat "Judge the Judges"... where Excel could easily show us the Judge whose scores are closest to the average... the best Judge...

i asked the same back in this thread . how hard will it be take some photos of the JUDGES score card , wouldnt even take 20 mins . if you did 4 at a time . least then people who have entered can add up there own scores to make the numbers add up and check the final score cards what are posted on here . from looking at last years final scores no cards were posted (photos) only txt . A handfull of members posted why the numbers didnt add up for the votes they had but didnt get a reply . least if the score jugde cards are posted there wont be no need for rumours about it all being a fix with dodgy final score card numbers .

this is not a dig or bad karma at how the cup is run or ic mag . we all just want a fair and honest 420 cup 2011 with no rumours like last yr.

 

[Cannawinner]

cheesey.....some growers, and breeders, prefer to send colas. Although it's usually the local entries that don't have to ship and want their entry to be in pristine photographic state. Perhaps it's easier for the sender, perhaps they want their entry photographed in whole, it makes no difference really....to each their own....is up to each grower or breeder who enters to send what 'they' choose to enter, whether it be smaller buds, large cola, whatever....as long as it is 28g....and we are able to place 1g into each sample baggie.

It is very important that the weed entered has bag appeal.
I think its more advantageous to the entry if its a beautiful smaller size buds that weighs close to a gram instead of large coalas that will be cut down to size.

 

[Hempyfan]

Hi there DG,

Many thanks for your reply, also looking forward to seeing you and the rest there.

I am sorry I had misunderstood what I get for entering.

If I only get a guest pass for sending in 2 or 3 entries and still have to shell out £600 for the privilege of buying back my own weed it is not really encouraging me to enter now is it ?

You want me to send you 3 ounces for free yet want to charge me $600 for 1 ounce just the same as any old punter who walks in off the street ? That is not really fair now is it ?

This is absolutely not a moan, I do really appreciate the work, money, dedication and effort that goes in to running this thing, as I said before, few seem to have noticed DG has effectively had to pull out her own Dutchgrown Seeds stuff so she can run this for us, a very kind gesture that is greatly appreciated.

Likewise I was also asking for a tiny change that allows entrants to Judge in their own categories, all you would have to do is enter an average score, very easy with the Excel package you use, in fact, you must be doing it already to take account of the people who send in blank spaces where there should be scores.

This would allow DG to enter too, although I do realise there is a clear problem with jealous halfwits sniping from the shadows, I just find it really unfair that DG cannot enter some of her Professional work for us to see, because she is kind enough to run the whole party for our benifit.

As others have asked/mentioned, if we can see all the scores afterwards it stops silly rumours about people getting their mates along to skew the scores and it could also make for a neat "Judge the Judges"... where Excel could easily show us the Judge whose scores are closest to the average... the best Judge...

Re the baggies, thankyou, if we can send in a bud pic and the entries all bagged separately then plenty of us will, even if you have to change the bags into Std. Judging bags, it will be quicker than dividing 28 into 1's and out precious entries will be left out in the air/heat and generally bashed about less, better preserving their qualities.

Best of luck to all.
C

Are you saying if you enter you should be able to judge the category just by entering? What would stop just any person from entering an ounce of weed just to get in.

I also see it as a big ethical issue. I also want to sample buds that people are proud of and want to match their plants against others who want to see how they stand by their fellow competitors. Not because they want a cheaper ticket or any other benefit.

With that said, I see it as celebration as well and as such many people bring herb to share with people and show off what they have even if they do not enter. Good times!

I also prefer to see serious entries instead of something entered for other reasons than wanting to win.

 

[Hoover_lungz]

i asked the same back in this thread . how hard will it be take some photos of the JUDGES score card , wouldnt even take 20 mins . if you did 4 at a time . least then people who have entered can add up there own scores to make the numbers add up and check the final score cards what are posted on here . from looking at last years final scores no cards were posted (photos) only txt . A handfull of members posted why the numbers didnt add up for the votes they had but didnt get a reply . least if the score jugde cards are posted there wont be no need for rumours about it all being a fix with dodgy final score card numbers .

this is not a dig or bad karma at how the cup is run or ic mag . we all just want a fair and honest 420 cup 2011 with no rumours like last yr.

I can see your point Cheesey, Hopefully Dg will sort sum of these matters out

 

[Dutchgrown]

Chaos, any grower who enters, can not then judge the SAME category they entered. This is why an entrant can purchase a different category (breeder) so they are not judging their own. It is absurd to think anyone should be allowed to judge their own entry. If you are entering a grower indica or sativa, you can not judge that....you can however purchase a judge pass for breeder indica or sativa...if you enter hash, you can not purchase a hash pass.

cheesey....I've answered already about the judging....and quite frankly am getting fed up with all the nit-picking that is going on from some here trying to dictate everything from how the judging takes place, to how entries are submitted and everything in between. This is the last time I address this, the ballot tallying will be computerized, with two independent observers, anyone who wants to photo or xerox their sheet prior to handing it in can certainly do so, and I highly suggest that you do, so that when the computerized results are posted you can locate yourself by your Seedbay Auction ID # and compare it to the computerized results...you will see for yourself that the ballots have been entered correctly.

Seeing how some of you are carrying on here being so critical about the organizational and administrative side of the cup, it's simply not feasible to even contemplate entering simultaneously to organizing the event. Maybe in 2012, after the rest of the team has gained experience this year, I will be able to not help with the organizational side, and enter again instead.

I can only promise you all....this will be a fair cup, the same as it has been any year that I was involved with organizing it. In keeping with fairness, I also promise that any one at the cup who entered that is observed touting their entry will be addressed right then and there....be it grower or breeder...and WILL be disqualified on the spot. Refer to the rules posted in my first post of this thread.

I suggest that those who want to enter do so, those who want to attend do so, and leave the details of how it all goes down up to the ICM 420 Cup team to handle...come have a good time...we sure plan on making it a good time for all.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Chaos, any grower who enters, can not then judge the SAME category they entered. This is why an entrant can purchase a different category (breeder) so they are not judging their own. It is absurd to think anyone should be allowed to judge their own entry. If you are entering a grower indica or sativa, you can not judge that....you can however purchase a judge pass for breeder indica or sativa...if you enter hash, you can not purchase a hash pass.

DG, yes I see and understand the rules, I am just questioning the reasoning. You term it absurd, but it has happened in the past and the only reason I see for not is if you believe someone would give themselves 10-10-10-10 and their rivals 0-0-0-0 ....unlikely, but just to assure people, I also suggested opening up [publishing] the Judges scoring. What if one of my buddies wishes to register and enter under that username... Think about it.... I really am not trying to cause trouble, but I do not see it is very well thought through.

The way it is now, I am effectively punished for giving you an entry, and yet still have to pay full whack despite contributing to the show.

cheesey....I've answered already about the judging....and quite frankly am getting fed up with all the nit-picking that is going on from some here trying to dictate everything from how the judging takes place, to how entries are submitted and everything in between. This is the last time I address this, the ballot tallying will be computerized, with two independent observers, anyone who wants to photo or xerox their sheet prior to handing it in can certainly do so, and I highly suggest that you do, so that when the computerized results are posted you can locate yourself by your Seedbay Auction ID # and compare it to the computerized results...you will see for yourself that the ballots have been entered correctly.

Seeing how some of you are carrying on here being so critical about the organizational and administrative side of the cup, it's simply not feasible to even contemplate entering simultaneously to organizing the event. Maybe in 2012, after the rest of the team has gained experience this year, I will be able to not help with the organizational side, and enter again instead.

I can only promise you all....this will be a fair cup, the same as it has been any year that I was involved with organizing it. In keeping with fairness, I also promise that any one at the cup who entered that is observed touting their entry will be addressed right then and there....be it grower or breeder...and WILL be disqualified on the spot. Refer to the rules posted in my first post of this thread.

I suggest that those who want to enter do so, those who want to attend do so, and leave the details of how it all goes down up to the ICM 420 Cup team to handle...come have a good time...we sure plan on making it a good time for all.

The issues raised were from discussions with fellow Judges and entrants at the cup, since then nobody has been around to answer any questions, nor is there any discussion of anything related, I did ask in a thread here a while ago. The idea of entrants bagging 1g entries came after many felt that entries [yours included] had lost a lot in the processing, that it would be fairer and also save the organisers a lot of work... win-win as far as I can see it.

Kind regards
C

 

[Dutchgrown]

DG, yes I see and understand the rules, I am just questioning the reasoning. You term it absurd, but it has happened in the past and the only reason I see for not is if you believe someone would give themselves 10-10-10-10 and their rivals 0-0-0-0 ....unlikely, but just to assure people, I also suggested opening up [publishing] the Judges scoring. What if one of my buddies wishes to register and enter under that username... Think about it.... I really am not trying to cause trouble, but I do not see it is very well thought through.

The way it is now, I am effectively punished for giving you an entry, and yet still have to pay full whack despite contributing to the show.




The issues raised were from discussions with fellow Judges and entrants at the cup, since then nobody has been around to answer any questions, nor is there any discussion of anything related, I did ask in a thread here a while ago. The idea of entrants bagging 1g entries came after many felt that entries [yours included] had lost a lot in the processing, that it would be fairer and also save the organisers a lot of work... win-win as far as I can see it.

Kind regards
C

No one has ever been permitted to judge their own, not to my knowledge, and if this has been the case with others sneaking to do it somehow, then shame on them....and yes, although I'd PREFER to think that no one would judge biasedly...leaving that option open is not something the cup is willing to toss the dice on.

I've said this before....the entries will all go out to judges in like baggies....you are welcome to send in 1g samples, if not in the same baggie we use, it will get placed into our cup baggies.

 

[tryn2getby]

Dg ... good for you.. always being a trooper & going the extra mile to address everyone.... not really sure why in the world you would want to go through all the trouble that follow's being the Organizer... especially when you've certainly become a kick ass breeder & everyone knows you should be entering...im suprised there isn't a line of cats willing to run the show...properly..with a lil guidance from Gypsy & you ..& OP..


Im sure there's good reason & i read ^ that next year you'll be back entering...gota defend that breeder title



t2

 

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

Can not believe some peoples tact lol, DG props to you for wasting your breath with some of these people. So much input from the sideline on what they think or how they think it should be done or the prices. DG is in charge of this shit, sit back, follow directions and enjoy the fun! Thanks DG for your hardwork

 

[gaiusmarius]

i so can't fucking wait, we are gonna have us such a great meet up / smoke out

well that's me sorted, flight, flat and after much hard thought and back and forthing, sativa growers judges pass. really wanted to judge all the cannabis entries, but that would have been a bit over the top lol.

great knowing DG has her hands on the tiller for this event. just a shame that we will be missing out on DG genetics in the breeders category. with luck we'll have some in the growers category though.

i am so looking forward to seeing what folks are growing all over this globe...

see ya there...

 

[Hazyfontazy]

clicking me heels for the cup fairy

 

[fizzbomb]

pureknowledge what i think you dont realize is that most of the people that are asking questions in this thread are the 1s that are maybe thinking about putting in an entry, but as you say its not about how many entries there is its about the cup as you did not even think to consider this when buying your judge pass, but maybe you should think about what your saying before replying with you dont know why DG is even wasting her breath with some of these people, lol, as these kinda comments are not very encouraging m8 when people are asking questions about their entry or anything else to do with the cup.

this is what i posted last year in another thread,

I like the idea of the score sheet's getting printed up also at the end so every1 can see who scored what, I would not have a problem putting my name on it also just so every1 could see what score i gave each sample, and I think that would be pretty cool as well as I got to see a review from Dutchgrown and Chaos, but it would have been nice to see the scores also from the other people that did judge my entry like soma and karma so with the judge sheets getting printed up at the end as well it would give me a better idea what others thought of it, I know its supposed to be a blind judging competition but does it have to be anonymous as well, I wont have a problem putting my name on a judge sheet for it to be printed up to show others what I thought of each sample, would any1 else??? would give me a better idea of what others thought of mine if that was the case, even if it is just numbers.

this was last year I posted this and all i was trying to say was if you got an entry in, you want as much feedback from your entry as possible after the results have been posted up, as in what others thought of your entry, i think its only fair since the people are sending in their entry's for free, im pretty sure every1 that is putting in an entry would love as much feedback as possible, as if there was no entry's there would be no cup, and i know the matter has already been addressed, it was just a suggestion from last year and i think that is what Chaos was trying to say as well, lots of good suggestions from last year but nothing else was said about it, but maybe for next year these points can be addressed again.

 

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

fizzbomb, I will be entering two categories Been planning on it for almost a year, my crop was planned perfectly in time for the 420 and was even delayed to get the legnth of cure I want. No thinking about it here, see you there!

 

[fizzbomb]

pureknowledge I wish you the very best of luck with your entries , best bit is when you know they got there safe and sound, as thats when you know your in the cup for sure, again best of luck with everything, im sure you will have fun