Young Padewan seeks guidance from Jedi master

[Anti]

Sorry to burst your bubble homie, but these guys are right. I spent MONTHS reading these forums before I even created my account. I'm talking hours a night, every night, for months... taking notes. Then I created my first thread (it's in my sig) and I built what you see in that thread. EVERYTHING cost me less than $500 american and I didn't even own tools when I built it. (Buying them was part of my $500 cost.)

I made my own carbon scrubber, built my own cabinet. everything.

If you read and plan and read and plan and read and plan and read and plan... you will do well.

If not....

lots of luck.

 

[Swamp_Dog_Rob]

Sorry to burst your bubble homie, but these guys are right. I spent MONTHS reading these forums before I even created my account. I'm talking hours a night, every night, for months... taking notes. Then I created my first thread (it's in my sig) and I built what you see in that thread. EVERYTHING cost me less than $500 american and I didn't even own tools when I built it. (Buying them was part of my $500 cost.)

I made my own carbon scrubber, built my own cabinet. everything.

If you read and plan and read and plan and read and plan and read and plan... you will do well.

If not....

lots of luck.

there is no way im gonna build a cabinet or spend money on tools. Thats rediculous! im not jesus im not a carpenter. i will just buy a tent

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

Like Anti said, good luck.
I better go chill before I hurt some more feelings.

 

[Noc]

I used a 5" desk fan for ventilation. It wasnt very powerful, and the wardrobe was completely enclosed, thus no clean air was getting in, and i was just blowing stagnant air around which isnt good supposedly?. I had the fan set on a timer to come on for an hour every 3 hours during the day. i didnt bother having it on at night (when the lights were off) as the wardrobe is in my room and im a light sleeper.

It sounds to me like this is the main reason you messed up your last grow. Airflow is THE most important aspect of growing. Your fans should be on 24/7, and you need actual extraction taking place, not just circulation.

The circulation fan is simply to mix the air internally, strengthen the stems, and help to guard against mold spores and insects attacking your plant easily.

The extraction fan's purpose is to completely exchange the air in your grow room, which provides the plants with fresh, co2-rich air, removes the co2 depleted air, prevents humidity from rising too much, and keeps heat from building up.

Both of these fans are important, and should be run constantly. If you are a light sleeper, find a way to quieten them, but don't turn them off.

Extraction systems can be noisy, but fortunately there are ways to reduce the noise to acceptable levels. Unfortunately, the best solutions are the most expensive.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, larger fans slowed down are less noisy than smaller fans on full speed, for the same amount of airflow. This is why I advised a 6" fan plus speed controller in my post.

Since you live in the UK, you will need a carbon filter, which means you will need a fan capable of pulling air through it properly (ie: a centrifugal fan, rather than a bathroom style axial fan). Ruck and RVK fans are common centrifugal fans used by UK growers, and either of these brands will do the job properly with a CF attached.

Now, for your fan speed contrller, you have a few options, but be aware than variac or transformer based controllers are preferable for use with the fans I mentioned, as other types may cause the motor to make an annoying hum on certain speeds, and this will shorten the life of your fan considerably.

Another step towards reducing noise from your extraction is insulated/acoustic ducting. It is a pain in the ass to work with, but helps a lot with noise levels. Another good tip is to hang your fan with bungees, to prevent vibration noise from being an issue. Lastly, you can buy (or build) a silencer, which helps reduce the whooshing noise that occurs at the outlet point of your ducting.

I have just spent a lot of time talking about airflow/extraction, as I am of the opinion that it is the most important part of your grow. The rest is easy. Hang your light (400 watt hps recommended for the space you described), plug it into a suitable timer,not a cheap-ass household one, as it WILL fuck up sooner or later. I recommend the "plug and grow heavy duty timer" at the very least, or a contactor relay setup like the "Maxiswitch 2-Way Light Controller".

Other than that, since it is your first grow, I'd advise keeping things simple, and sticking with soil and pots (either grow shop stuff, or a decent multipurpose compost). For nutes, you won't go far wrong with biobizz grow and bloom. Leave all the other stuff until you have a grow or two under your belt, then you can experiment and see what works for you. There is a feed schedule online for these nutes, and you will have good results just by sticking to that with most strains.

Water them when the pots feel light, give them enough water so than the soil is completely drenched and there is some run-off (but don't leave them standing in excess water for extended periods), then leave until the pots feel light again.

I've probably missed something important in all this, but hopefully you get enough of an idea of some of the things involved. Extraction should be your number one priority though. Once you get your environment right, growing is pretty easy.

 

[someotherguy]

there is no way im gonna build a cabinet or spend money on tools. Thats rediculous! im not jesus im not a carpenter. i will just buy a tent

buying a tent or building a cab isn't the point, the point is to do enough research on your own to understand the operating principles, otherwise, even if you buy top-of-the-line, cutting-edge equipment, you still won't know how to use it.

also, when you're offered good advice and you either ignore it or make excuses why it doesn't apply to you, you just limit yourself.

btw, i didn't just tell you to read, i posted up links to threads i am absolutely certain you would benefit from reading and you didn't even bother acknowledging my post, it appears i wasted my efforts to help you.

also btw, while you may not be as gifted with tools as Anti, reading about his climb up the learning curve and witnessing how far he has come in just a couple years would also benefit you greatly, if for no other reason than to be inspired.

anyway, like the Sarge, i think i'll just take a walk and wish you luck.

peace, and stay safe, SOG

 

[paladin420]

90% FAILURE!!!! TOTAL ROOM DEATH!!!!~T.R.D Omina Mors Aequat

 

[onelung09]

this dude doesnt want help cant believe i just wasted the time in reading this bs sog you tried to help this dude but hes acting like he cant understand or read crap and doesnt want to put the hard work in its going to be a long road for you dude i wish you luck tho we all put in the hours in on this forum study'n and learning put in the work use your brain reap the rewards and feel a little knowledgable

 

[Swamp_Dog_Rob]

this dude doesnt want help cant believe i just wasted the time in reading this bs sog you tried to help this dude but hes acting like he cant understand or read crap and doesnt want to put the hard work in its going to be a long road for you dude i wish you luck tho we all put in the hours in on this forum study'n and learning put in the work use your brain reap the rewards and feel a little knowledgable

soz didnt recognise your post but i honestly have read all the links you sent me... but to be honest most of em dont mean much to me. Like one of the links was on the benefits of ceramic lights or summit... it means nothing to me. As ive said on earlier threads im not an electronically minded person, if i went to change the fuse on a plug i would struggle puttin it back together unless it had the diagram on a piece of paper inside the plug (ok thats a bit of an exaggeration but i am a electronic retard).

I had a smoke of the small amount of bud i got last night, and i was completely wacked, so something worked the 1st time around, i just didnt get the huge buds which id hoped for. And considerin i was only usin CFLs, in a wardrobe which didnt have any extraction setup, and i wasnt using precise measurements, relating to how much water to give. It wasnt a complete disaster. The plant did grow to 1m 60 cms and the top kept having to be trimmed and tbh it looked reasonably healthy.

Its an urban myth that i dont do any reading just because i ask specific questions relating to what the best equipment is that i should put in a grow tent to ensure the best results? i dont see what the problem is? its a forum and im asking a specific question.

have done some reading and ive even watched a dvd called "grow" where some canadian dude with a green face grew some herb using hydroponics. Hydroponics looks too much hassle for me, and too many things can go wrong which could cause failure. Thats why as a novice i thought soil would be the best method. Surely, once i get all the equipment i need set-up on timers, all i have to do is put a germinated seed in a pot and feed the right amount of water/nutrient. Bish bash bosh a few weeks later ive got dope?

Was it too much to expect someone who has had successful results to say what you need in a 90 x 90 grow tent is...

1 x 600w herbalicious light (www.bigbud.com) £60
1 x booyaka extraction fan (www.fansrus.com) £200
1 x wicked reflector (www.assclown.com) £100
6 x 10 litre pots (www.munkeyjism.com) £10
1 x big bag of soil (www.soiledpants.com) £10
1 x bad ass nutrient (www.spitfuk.com) £40

Then u need to put 20mls of bad ass nutient in a 10 litre bucket of water and feed your plants 80ml of bad ass nutrient/water mix a day for the 1st 3 weeks and then 100 ml for the following 8 weeks.

The end

This was the sort of help i was looking for! not someone telling me i should perv on the website for months on end and come up with the ingenious idea of building a wooden cabinet. i had already expressed my desire to move out of a wardrobe into a tent specifically designed for growing plants in, and some guy goes on about him buying tools to make a wooden cabinet?

i dont want to do a blue peter job of building a carbon scrubber (whatever one of those is) out of recycled milk bottle tops.

Sorry if im coming across a bit pissed off but i dont see why i cant get a simple answer to a simple question.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

Perhaps you need a Jedi electrician?

 

[ddrew]

Couple comments.
I agree with everyone else telling you to read up.
I spent over 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, reading my ass off for 3 months straight when I first started.

The star wars thing.
I like the movies, but the whole padewan thing was gay I thought.
None of these jedis have women, no, they prefer the company of young boys, hmmm.
Darth the bad jedi had a woman, luke unsuccessfully hit on his sister, but other then that, no women, just a lot of man-boy action.

 

[Anti]

padewan, master yoda and many others haver tried to help you. Point of my post had nothing to do with building a wooden cab. if you don't understand the difference between hps, cmh, mh, cfl that shows you are not reading enough. If we give you the answers you seek, you'll be back asking more next week. you want to learn to fly by jumping off a cliff.

you are heading for the dark side.

I watched those green guy I grow weed videos too. Then I came here, took the chip off my shoulder and learned some stuff.

 

[Swamp_Dog_Rob]

Couple comments.
I agree with everyone else telling you to read up.
I spent over 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, reading my ass off for 3 months straight when I first started.

The star wars thing.
I like the movies, but the whole padewan thing was gay I thought.
None of these jedis have women, no, they prefer the company of young boys, hmmm.
Darth the bad jedi had a woman, luke unsuccessfully hit on his sister, but other then that, no women, just a lot of man-boy action.

genuine lol. i hadnt noticed that put yea you are right about jedis they are pretty nifty with a light saber but shit at getting pussy

 

[Anti]

If you don't wanna learn, there are companies who design and sell complete grow boxes ready to plug in and grow with. Pricey though. In a month you could learn to do everything these guys will charge you thousands for. Hell, if you just wanna spend a ton of dough to still not have a clue, I'll build you one myself.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

Rob,
I joined this forum almost 5 years ago, and for the first 4 years, I lurked reading other threads and learning the ways.
I'm not trying to bust your balls. Just saying, If you dont understand the basic principles of airflow, lighting, medium and water chemistry, you have a long way to go.
I guess having grown up in the 60's through 80's without the wonders of the internet, cell phones, text and IM, facebook, etc, I've become accustomed to patience.
Kids these days have none and want instant gratification.
Not suggesting your a kid. Maybe just a little impatient.

 

[Swamp_Dog_Rob]

ok. i dont know shit. hps stands for high pressure sodium? cmh is the ceramic version of a mh and cfl stands for... cock fun lover. I cant remember what it stands for but i could go downstairs and check as ive got 3 of them.

This is my point exactly, i dont know what these abbreviations stand for, it doesnt matter. I dont need to know what it stands for to plug it into a socket and for it to work.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

You do need to know. Go buy a 150w CMH bulb and try firing it on a HPS digi ballast. It wont work. Now go buy a 400w CMH and try firing on a MH ballast. It also wont work.
Some work on MH ballasts, some need a HPS ballast.
How do I know this? I read it on IC mag forums.

 

[Swamp_Dog_Rob]

If you don't wanna learn, there are companies who design and sell complete grow boxes ready to plug in and grow with. Pricey though. In a month you could learn to do everything these guys will charge you thousands for. Hell, if you just wanna spend a ton of dough to still not have a clue, I'll build you one myself.

Honestly, i have big time respect for you guys who can tinker about, build shit, make things work etc... but im not blessed with that sorta skill. Its not a case of being lazy, im really good at certain things and really bad at others.

As a result i may have to pay through the nose for summit that isnt as good as summit that you could design and create yourself for half the price. Thats just the way it is.

 

[Anti]

ok. i dont know shit. hps stands for high pressure sodium? cmh is the ceramic version of a mh and cfl stands for... cock fun lover. I cant remember what it stands for but i could go downstairs and check as ive got 3 of them.

This is my point exactly, i dont know what these abbreviations stand for, it doesnt matter. I dont need to know what it stands for to plug it into a socket and for it to work.

This is my point exactly. You think plants flower when exposed to red light and veg when exposed to white light. A year from now, if you are still growing you'll understand just how dumb that sounds.

Since you don't know, why do you have such an attitude, homie? You asked for help. At least five people told you you haven't studied enough. Take the hint.

 

[Anti]

You can find threads on fans and ventilation.you can find threads on nutes and medium. you can find threads on light spectrum and penetration. I know because I have read and posted in more than five hundred of them, just a drop in the bucket.

Ifor you read them, you'll know what size fan to use and how to attach carbon to it. if you read them, you'll learn the difference between different kind of light and when to use which. If you read them, you'll know how to dial in your setup.

 

[Swamp_Dog_Rob]

or you could just ask the guy you wanting to buy a bulb and a ballast from "which bulbs and ballasts work together" and he will prove that they work together before selling them.
I would then ask him which was the best and he would sell me the most expensive one. Which isnt necessarily the best but i wouldnt know any better. You would no doubt because you have a lot of experience dealing with this kinda stuff on a day to day basis.

I dont have the knowledge nor experience, and nor do i have the luxury of time to gain it, even if i was able to.