raising and lowering ph

[DiscoBiscuit]

GS was withholding info prior to his terpene absorption whim. Many responded to his pH problem w/o knowing anything about his acidic ingredient. 3/4 quart of pH up for 32 gallons? There's something strange in that watering tank and it ain't the nutes. When GS said his 8 ish pH was dropping to mid fives, I got the impression his EC wasn't so high as to require nearly a quart of pH up.

I don't expect growers to divulge their secrets. But when one asks for help, it's a bit frustrating to find out they're doing something so inane, they won't freely admit.

 

[Scrogerman]

GS was withholding info prior to his terpene absorption whim. Many responded to his pH problem w/o knowing anything about his acidic ingredient. 3/4 quart of pH up for 32 gallons? There's something strange in that watering tank and it ain't the nutes. When GS said his 8 ish pH was dropping to mid fives, I got the impression his EC wasn't so high as to require nearly a quart of pH up.

I don't expect growers to divulge their secrets. But when one asks for help, it's a bit frustrating to find out they're doing something so inane, they won't freely admit.

lol, couldnt agree more, its not exactly the normal thing to do, pump a load of friut juices in your res, lmao! maybe isolated terps like lim/lool yeah maybe, if i was gonna try it it would be wicked through the stem like ive heard works in the past. any of you lot heard of doing that, does it work, ive certainly heard of a few people doing it in the past, it supposedly does work, according to them! dont think i could bring myself to do it, unless it was under direction from someone that swore it worked & did it regularly. Aint seen anybody mention it for a long time now, says alot to me! Why fk your root enviroment/Res up isnt it? & then wonder why you need a pint or 3 of PH up to set things right. lol

Anyway AN would of jumped on the bandwagon along time ago, selling us 1% lemon/strawberry juice for $40 a litre, when we could just squeeze our own. AN's Lemon Squeeze"adds essential flavour" lmao!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

yeah, essential

 

[Scrogerman]

yeah, essential

LOL bro! have you ever heard of that wicking juice extracts through the stem using cotton, with the extract placed higher than the wick entry point, straight into the Phloem/Xylem ect, whats your view on that one DB? always pondered about it myself! I remember talk about it back on OG.
Ive wondered what else could be infused directly into the plant this way, hormones/PGR's, carbs etc. If its viable! Mainlineing lol! we can/could do it through our veins!

 

[Mitakoye Oyasin]

so what exactlly is supposed to happen when u wick. I read and saw pics in a book about it years ago but never even paid it much attention, but... I do currently have a batch of clones that I am about to start flowering in about a week or so and I am planning on doing side by sides in this batch already anyways , I could throw one in the mix all wicked up with proper instruction. Anyways, u can see the grow and details on the side by sides under the grow diary B-Kinds A-Love. Im just getting it started and not realy sure if its in the right place, but Im gonna keep it detailed with pics and regular updates. Actualy I wouldnt wanna change the flavor or natural aroma of this herb but I would sacrifice one for science and of course Im sure it would medicate me all the same...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

LOL bro! have you ever heard of that wicking juice extracts through the stem using cotton, with the extract placed higher than the wick entry point, straight into the Phloem/Xylem ect, whats your view on that one DB? always pondered about it myself! I remember talk about it back on OG.
Ive wondered what else could be infused directly into the plant this way, hormones/PGR's, carbs etc. If its viable! Mainlineing lol! we can/could do it through our veins!

You could get a syringe and fire those bitches up. Nah, just kidding.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

my ec runs high between 3.2 and 5,my ppm tds and ph have already been posted

Now I've heard everything.

 

[greenmatter]

i was in another thread talking about ph up and ph down. one of the posts was about sulfuric acid, i think the poster was CYAT who was saying he got his info from scrogerman. i wondering if the man himself could expand a little on this. i use citric and phosphoric for down (not at the same time) just because i think the ladies probably like the variety. sulfuric sounds like a good option to me especially in bloom where i like to bump up the S a little. could you school us a little SCROG? not talking about soil on this question.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

LOL bro! have you ever heard of that wicking juice extracts through the stem using cotton, with the extract placed higher than the wick entry point, straight into the Phloem/Xylem ect, whats your view on that one DB? always pondered about it myself! I remember talk about it back on OG.
Ive wondered what else could be infused directly into the plant this way, hormones/PGR's, carbs etc. If its viable! Mainlineing lol! we can/could do it through our veins!

How about BBQ with a hint of garlic?
Maybe a nice Chianti and some Monsanto cannabis steroids.

 

[Spotten]

Hi there!

Maybe this is not the right place to ask my question, but i can see it's under "soil" grow, and it's regarding pH value's.

I have some problems and i want to ask you guys what to do.

I live in Denmark and have a very high pH in my tap water (7.8) and maybe also higher ( i dont trust my pH meter there resently went down ), and i grow in soil, but my question is only, should i, or should i not, put some ph down in my water before watering my dear plants, to adjust to pH value to about 6.5?

Someone told me that the soil have a "buffer-like-mode", and they told me that i should not pH down my water / nutrient solution, but my plants looks like they have some problems i have hard do identify.

Sorry again if this is the wrong place to ask my question, and sorry for my poor english, trying to keep it simple as possible.

In advance thanks.

 

[Mitakoye Oyasin]

I think that u should ph ur solution but u cant do that without a meter. U cant just add some down and hope for the best, u have to be able to check ur ph to adjust ur ph. Get a meter. U can get a fairly good one for like 70 bucks. Its worth the investment if u plan to grow ganja. Hope ur letting ur tap water sit overnight and mabee even running an airstone and pump in it like u see in a fish bowl to get out the chlorine.
Soil does have a buffering ability on ur nutrients, and salts and stuff but that doesnt mean u dont ph ur solution. That just means that the effects take place slower and u have more space to screw up because u do have the time to get it right cause, the effects take place slower. The salts build up and the ph needs to be constant. U should proly flush ur soil if u havent been ph adjusting and get a meter and start ph adjusting, 6.5-6.8 should be fine for soil, but Im not the best expert on what ur exact ph level should be,
If u can afford the meters it be good to have the ph and a ppm. When u flush, if u flush u should measure the ph and ppm content of ur drain off water and see what it reads. That will tell u if ur soil has too much salts and nutrients build up in it and stuff. Db and others can prolly tell u more than that though. Good luck.

 

[Spotten]

I think that u should ph ur solution but u cant do that without a meter. U cant just add some down and hope for the best, u have to be able to check ur ph to adjust ur ph. Get a meter. U can get a fairly good one for like 70 bucks. Its worth the investment if u plan to grow ganja. Hope ur letting ur tap water sit overnight and mabee even running an airstone and pump in it like u see in a fish bowl to get out the chlorine.
Soil does have a buffering ability on ur nutrients, and salts and stuff but that doesnt mean u dont ph ur solution. That just means that the effects take place slower and u have more space to screw up because u do have the time to get it right cause, the effects take place slower. The salts build up and the ph needs to be constant. U should proly flush ur soil if u havent been ph adjusting and get a meter and start ph adjusting, 6.5-6.8 should be fine for soil, but Im not the best expert on what ur exact ph level should be,
If u can afford the meters it be good to have the ph and a ppm. When u flush, if u flush u should measure the ph and ppm content of ur drain off water and see what it reads. That will tell u if ur soil has too much salts and nutrients build up in it and stuff. Db and others can prolly tell u more than that though. Good luck.

I havent space to make water ready for use like you suggest, but i have a pH meter, it's just dead at the moment, so i use a manual test-kit with some drops and so, and i have just tapped the water and the added the pH down and the flushed my plants, but i havent measured the pH on the drained water, i did not know that was a possibility!

Im working a little in blind because im new into growing ganja, and i dont know how the plant must act sort of speak, and therefore i dont know what to do when problems happens.

I will try my best to sort this out, but thanks alot for your quick answer!

By the way, in soil-grows, is it normal to add pH to the water first or after the nutrients? I have several answers to that question and im a little confused to be honest.

The way i do it now, is to add the pH down first, because my nutrients color the water so much that i cant see the correct color on the pH sketch.

 

[Mitakoye Oyasin]

when u add ur nutrients it will change ur ph so I wait until after all my nutes are in then I adjust my ph so theres no guessing. If u had some pics of ur plants it would help a lot or a better description of what the problem looks like but if u flushed good and water back with correct ph balanced solution make sure u have enough mag and cal that can cause a lot of problems, some strains more so than others, I dont know how or what u feed but if u use the bottled nutrients u need extra mag and cal u could mix lime with ur soil before a grow and u can buy cal/mag as an additive to correct and prevent those deficencies.
as for the drops Ive tried em and just personaly, mabee its my eyes, but I cant tell the differance in the colors there so close. But thats so much better than nothing. What are ur temps and also make sure ur not drowning ur roots the soil should be ready to water again in a couple of days.
I actualy spent a summer in Denmark and I know it stays cold is why I ask about ur temps. It should be about 75 at ur cannopy top and good air circulation is important.
Ur temps can be higher if u supp with co2, but if not u should keep em around 75f I think would be best, of course other pep out there please give better info if I am misinforming, I dont want to steer anyone wrong, I ask becasue I grow in hydroton and also in promix but I qiut growing in soil years ago, and I also co2 inhance so my temps are higher also. Mine run mostly at 85 sometimes 88 but just a little and thats at the top of my cannopy but with my co2 at 1500ppm thats a good thing. They grow faster that way.

 

[greenmatter]

I havent space to make water ready for use like you suggest, but i have a pH meter, it's just dead at the moment, so i use a manual test-kit with some drops and so, and i have just tapped the water and the added the pH down and the flushed my plants, but i havent measured the pH on the drained water, i did not know that was a possibility!

Im working a little in blind because im new into growing ganja, and i dont know how the plant must act sort of speak, and therefore i dont know what to do when problems happens.

I will try my best to sort this out, but thanks alot for your quick answer!

By the way, in soil-grows, is it normal to add pH to the water first or after the nutrients? I have several answers to that question and im a little confused to be honest.

The way i do it now, is to add the pH down first, because my nutrients color the water so much that i cant see the correct color on the pH sketch.

the more times you ask about ph in soil the more different answers you will get. i always add lime to the soil so i think that is what works, while i do check the ph of the run off now and again the only way i have ever adjusted was with my nutes ( bubbling or not). i have never had to adjust that far. some guys on this site who know their stuff say ph in organics does not matter anyway. all my soil is 100% organic but i still check it. lime your soil and i things should work out.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think the growers that say pH doesn't matter correlate their lime/water/dry nutes ratio so that the water they're familiar with (a particular pH) is dependable. So... "You don't have to worry about pH in organics..."

I can measure whatever salt ferts I'm using the first time and go wire to wire w/o measuring pH. But if I change the formula...

But if I just throw a bunch of lime, soil and dry ferts together I can't expect anything inside the ballpark. Too much lime is as bad as too little.

 

[greenmatter]

I think the growers that say pH doesn't matter correlate their lime/water/dry nutes ratio so that the water they're familiar with (a particular pH) is dependable. "You don't have to worry about pH in organics..."

I can measure whatever salt ferts I'm using the first time and go wire to wire w/o measuring pH. Change the formula, change the pH.

That's not to say I can throw a bunch of lime, soil and dry ferts together and expect anything inside the ballpark. I might not be so picky outdoors unless it's a raised bed. Indoors, too much lime is as bad as too little.

like i said i check anyway but disco made a good point about adjusting to your water. i started running RO years ago because the levels were all over the place, with the RO they are constant but i add extra molasses to all the feeds (in soil) to make up for the lost C and Mg, so in a way i do adjust. 2 tablespoons dolimite per gallon has always worked for me.

 

[Mitakoye Oyasin]

how much lime should u use for a 3 gallon container of promix hp. I got some lime and gonna ammend my mix, more for the mag and cal than for the ph benefits. I was thinkin bout 2 teaspoons is what I heard. Does that sound right.? Also, I am gonna test some use some h2o2 in a side by side so is there any bad effects with mixing the lime and h2o2.
Also what about does the h2o2 affect the seawead extracts??? I know it kills the biologicals, this is the pourpose of my side by side, one full of besties and one with sterile h2o2, just wanna make sure I dont use something thats not compatible with the h2o2. The lime is also a side by side one with one without. Most of my nutes have ascy u know that long wierd word, the seaweed stuff, in it so I want to use it but wasnt sure if the h2o2 killed anything in the seaweed or mabee if the seaweed stuff is already all dead or whatever u know what I mean. Lol .

 

[Mitakoye Oyasin]

I just saw that gm. I guess I was typing my post while u was urs about the ammount of lime. I got dolomite so 6 tablespoons for a 3 gal container using promix hp mixed in by hand before transplanting?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

That's 2 tablespoons per, sounds a bit heavy to start. If your pro mix is predominately peat you may need two, otherwise 1 tablespoon per gallon is common.

 

[greenmatter]

i have no idea what is in promix. have they already adjusted? the 2 tablespoons i suggested was for an LC mix or close to it