Sell Me On AF's,I Dare Ya!
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All I can say is SGS has always been straight up with me and has helped a lot of people out. This can be a shady business with shady people but I have faith that SGS was just trying to hook mossy up for the benefit of everyone and didn't gain anything from it.
Pinkbud are not jems.
They have jems in them from an early generation which is stated in the strain description for everyone to see.
What is purple mazar from stitch? surely that IS a straight knock off of jems.. why is no one bitching about that?
Have they given any money to mossy for money they HAVE made?
Pinkbud are not jems.
They have jems in them from an early generation which is stated in the strain description for everyone to see.
What is purple mazar from stitch? surely that IS a straight knock off of jems.. why is no one bitching about that?
Have they given any money to mossy for money they HAVE made?
Two interesting points,makes ya wonder!Mossy was a good guy!
Meh autos are not all that great. I did two auto grows in a row and just finished up some "regular" strains. The autos always seemed to be lacking in the high just wasnt quite complete always felt like there was something missing. Hard to explain.
I do have 3 auto seeds left tho and will more than likely put them outside this season for a little guerilla action for the hell of it.
I do have 3 auto seeds left tho and will more than likely put them outside this season for a little guerilla action for the hell of it.
Bighill
Member
I have.. You won't stop people from ripping strains off.
JD didn't buy stock like stitch did, and do his own run.. Well, let me correct myself. He did think he was but some thing went wrong in the process. What really happened we will probably never know..
All that has to be done, is a wrong, rited. period. It's not some big deal.. Work was done, an exchange happened.. Services weren't tendered....
If some one was trying to get away with it... the first release of a colored auto isn't a way to "get away" with it.... Very few had them.... Kinda narrows it down. Those that did have spoken out allready.
Anyways.. Like others have stated.. thread returned.
BTW.. Mossy has said.. ANYONE can use JEMS in a cross. They just have to state that fact.. Pinkbud is ICC's own work.. i will give him that. And at least credit was givin where due. So to bash that one, would be going out a line a tad..
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FullDuplex
pink bud was a rework and ill accredit that. He spent the time searching out the pheno. as long as the name is mentioned like you said BH, that is all Mossy asked.
i too am done with my rant.
i too am done with my rant.
ALL OF you, are Mossy's OLD CREW and still pissed she got BANNED from ICMAG and trying to fuck with me to feel something about that. Ive tried to set you straight but whatever beleive what you will. Mossy cant go after the real person that fucked her over, in the end both of us getting non payment for the JEMS resulted in her BLAMING ME! and that is what you are all about. But i did my part of the JEMS guys, i have no controll over JD. All of this is just coming as you are just trying to hurt me because REZ wanted to do a project with SGS to make a good AF... and I plan to do so. I have never said anything to harm Mossys REP unlike you guys are to me, we all got fucked and Mossy is a great breeder. We just got a fucked deal on the JEMS. Like i said i dont need to explain to you how much it costs to produce seeds by a 3rd party on a large scale. IT ISNT CHEAP!
Sorry everyone PINKBUD IS NOT JEMS!!! PERIOD! PINKBUD is exactly what it says it is in the description. Grow them side by side if you dont believe me, you will find out. PINKBUD is the only project i ever even used JEMS in, and it is stated in the discription.
Ask 20/4 he grew out the Original cross of LowAsis x JEMS, that was used in the PINKBUD creation, then it was crossed to Diesel Ryder. Then IBL. EVEN MOSSY WAS SENT LOWASIS X JEMS!!!! ASK HER!
It went like this, Mossy gave seed (not to me, 3rd party producer)for a large production that was agreed with JD to buy all stock, the seeds where made (not by me! Mossy knows this), sent to JD, JD didn't pay what was owed, Im done trying to convince you otherwise, I will not reply again on the subject.
Now lets get back to making a better AF.
SGS
Sorry everyone PINKBUD IS NOT JEMS!!! PERIOD! PINKBUD is exactly what it says it is in the description. Grow them side by side if you dont believe me, you will find out. PINKBUD is the only project i ever even used JEMS in, and it is stated in the discription.
Ask 20/4 he grew out the Original cross of LowAsis x JEMS, that was used in the PINKBUD creation, then it was crossed to Diesel Ryder. Then IBL. EVEN MOSSY WAS SENT LOWASIS X JEMS!!!! ASK HER!
It went like this, Mossy gave seed (not to me, 3rd party producer)for a large production that was agreed with JD to buy all stock, the seeds where made (not by me! Mossy knows this), sent to JD, JD didn't pay what was owed, Im done trying to convince you otherwise, I will not reply again on the subject.
Now lets get back to making a better AF.
SGS
I sure didn't read this whole thread, and have no desire to enter into auto wars. But I will add that I think they suck.
Folks worry about fem seeds and the damage they can do to cannabis, when there is actually no warranted concerns and their fears are totally unfounded.
AF's on the other hand are indeed inferior genes and have the potential to fuck up a cannabis population. This is a fact that is easily backed up, unlike the voodoo worries of the fem seed haters.
But for folks who like diluted shit that you can't do much with, AF's should be fine. Just keep your pollen away from my stuff!
IMO the number one concern we should be having today is how fucked up will things get from this AF craze? Or maybe someone could explain to me how they can't or won't fuck up a cannabis population with inferior genes?
Folks worry about fem seeds and the damage they can do to cannabis, when there is actually no warranted concerns and their fears are totally unfounded.
AF's on the other hand are indeed inferior genes and have the potential to fuck up a cannabis population. This is a fact that is easily backed up, unlike the voodoo worries of the fem seed haters.
But for folks who like diluted shit that you can't do much with, AF's should be fine. Just keep your pollen away from my stuff!
IMO the number one concern we should be having today is how fucked up will things get from this AF craze? Or maybe someone could explain to me how they can't or won't fuck up a cannabis population with inferior genes?
Because the breeders are continuously breeding good genes with AF's and just keeping the AF trait, after a long enough time what is saying AF's can be just as potent as any other strain. Sure they aren't the best yet, but they are still in their infancy.
I had some freebie AF's I ran and they were only decent, but I still cant say they won't get better in the future. I personally am all for pushing the envelope in all aspects of seeds, short indoor varieties, huge outdoor varieties, feminized, and AF's. Everyone has special situations and unique circumstances, and sometimes an AF is just the best choice for certain people.
Thats a strange way to avoid war isnt?
I've read many of your posts and i think you're a very knowledgeable person. AF are progressing at giant leaps rate, so do us a favor and try some of the newer ones before saying it's all shit and genes ruin. There is a lot of outdated info and wrong mind setting against AF.
If REZ shows some interest definitely there is something good behind don't you think?
Peace
=K
I think perhaps Rez wants to know what YOUR interest is in them.
I'm certain he has his own firm take on things....
And yes, I do think it is only fair that if a person is going to throw stones at a product, they should have some experience with said product. I grew some AF's and they were the worst excuse for cannabis plants that I have ever seen, bar none.
Five plants total, grew fine with no issues in a prepared OD garden. Got less than 1/4 ounce total from the 5 plants. Smelled heavenly, has near zero buzz.
Not worth the time or effort, IMO.
I just think that Siberia is a great place for ruderalis to stay.
I'm certain he has his own firm take on things....
And yes, I do think it is only fair that if a person is going to throw stones at a product, they should have some experience with said product. I grew some AF's and they were the worst excuse for cannabis plants that I have ever seen, bar none.
Five plants total, grew fine with no issues in a prepared OD garden. Got less than 1/4 ounce total from the 5 plants. Smelled heavenly, has near zero buzz.
Not worth the time or effort, IMO.
I just think that Siberia is a great place for ruderalis to stay.
Thats a funny take.
I hope that new af work/development will prove you wrong, it's a sort of revolution thats impossible to stop so we'll see... no need to fight
Peace
=K
Thats a funny take.
I hope that new af work/development will prove you wrong, it's a sort of revolution thats impossible to stop so we'll see... no need to fight
Peace
=K
Don't worry Krull ppl who are afraid of change normally have vested interest in keeping things the old way or are so closed minded they wouldn't know their arse end from the mouth... since crap seems to come out of both..
mosstrooper
Member
I live at 55n in the wettest country (along with Eire) in Europe.
We get 10 months of rain, snow, frosts, fogs, mists and sea hars that can blow in in a moment, and then sit on top of you with no wind for days. Or we get high winds with driving rain that can smash a big plant to bits, followed by a week of damp fog.
Its a paradise for mould spores, its cold, damp, gloomy, etc etc.
If we are lucky, we get two months of fine weather, at about the same time we have 18 hours of daylight and 6 dark.
WE NEED OUR AF..
Even with AF there are no garuntees, our 2 month summer can be ruined by... yes, yet more rain and wind.
In recent times (though not at present) I have lived in reduced circumstances in a shared house where i could only grow pot on my window sill, again, in summer, i need my AF.
I have grown Low Ryder x AK47 with success more than once, and the weed gets me nicely stoned.
What more can i ask?
Without AF id probably struggle to grow any weed at all.
This year ill be doing more out in the wet n wild with HFH genetics, also semi, or long AF. People who have grown Esbes seeds say great things about them.
Like the old saying goes, "horses for courses".
We get 10 months of rain, snow, frosts, fogs, mists and sea hars that can blow in in a moment, and then sit on top of you with no wind for days. Or we get high winds with driving rain that can smash a big plant to bits, followed by a week of damp fog.
Its a paradise for mould spores, its cold, damp, gloomy, etc etc.
If we are lucky, we get two months of fine weather, at about the same time we have 18 hours of daylight and 6 dark.
WE NEED OUR AF..
Even with AF there are no garuntees, our 2 month summer can be ruined by... yes, yet more rain and wind.
In recent times (though not at present) I have lived in reduced circumstances in a shared house where i could only grow pot on my window sill, again, in summer, i need my AF.
I have grown Low Ryder x AK47 with success more than once, and the weed gets me nicely stoned.
What more can i ask?
Without AF id probably struggle to grow any weed at all.
This year ill be doing more out in the wet n wild with HFH genetics, also semi, or long AF. People who have grown Esbes seeds say great things about them.
Like the old saying goes, "horses for courses".
Reckoner
Member
It sounds like you'd say if someone is small, myopic, sick or whatever, then he got INFERIOR genes that can fuck up a human population.
Nowadays you can grow whatever you want, dank from clones or seeds, fems or regular, if some people ask for autos then they have to see an opportunity in them, I don't see what is so scandalous about autos, you may like it or not, but there's no threat for the ones who don't ...
Allthough I don't understand why people would call someone a thief when he uses someone esle's strain in a cross and explain exactly what's in it... We anyway have to use what is already on the scene to make it evolve, haven't we ?
lol...I have to assume you are just a kid who like to pop off big.shroomyshroom said:
I hate to break this to you, but yeah...if you have a man that is sickly and carries a inheritable disease, then he could indeed fuck up a whole human population. Do you think it a good idea for a guy with hemophilia to impregnate a whole family full of sisters in hopes of a good stock of kids? Think politically correct all you want, it changes nothing on the genetic scale.
If there were no threat to others then yeah, I'd say you were correct. But, how do you stop an outdoor growers AF pollen from flying into my field? Should I simply accept that my neighbor loves AF's and flies his pollen around like nobodies business?
Surely we shouldn't be concerned with pollen that can potentially water down our crops should we? So what if your ruderalis pollinates my crop, no big deal...right?
Perhaps not something that will overtake the cannabis world like a plague, but to say there is no potential damage to others is quite wrong.
Hell, folks get all up in the air about the damage fem seeds can do to cannabis, yet they can't give you one valid way they could hurt any cannabis crop. I wonder what is in these folks heads when thy think about AF's?
mosstrooper
Member
I have to agree whole heartedly with this, In the EU we have all kinds of stupid new rules about seed registration and copyright for genetics.
If you want to keep the genetics to yourself, makre hybrids and be secretive about how you did it.
I see seeds in the same light as open source softwares, everyone uses someone elses work to begin with, even if its just some dirt farmer in Cambodia or Pakistan.
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Purple Monster
You sound like you are just repeating what you've been told.
Everyone and their grandma keeps saying "they are still in their infancy, they are improving everyday!", they've been in their infancy for over 10 years and they still havent evolved one bit.
