I hit some branches of this one with Haze pollen, and Oaxacan. Should be some interesting seeds. This plant is at 75 days. 2 days of darkness then Harvest.
question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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I hit some branches of this one with Haze pollen, and Oaxacan. Should be some interesting seeds. This plant is at 75 days. 2 days of darkness then Harvest.
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I UNDERSTAND BIGHERB I SEE YOU AT MNS IM THERE TOO BUT UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME THE FACT IS NEV DID GET THE SEEDS AND MADE SOME KILLER HYBRIDS THAT CHANGED THE TIMES I DONT NO WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS ABOUT THE YEAR
Im not sure who has made a big deal ,ive asked Nevil and got his side which is far from the history as we know and wat Sams has told us.Soo with my passion for the history aswell as the truth, myself and others are interested what Sams has to say about nevil's post
Now im not exactly sure of your intention but its becomin clear,because you say you are clearing some things up when you seem not clear yourself .If you are familiar with me you would know my passion ,I dont see why you would admitt being from mns n not say your name.Soo if your not trying to learn somthin im only feeling bad vibez because you havnt contributed anything .
If you recall wat Nevil stated he said one seed came from the batch of seed labeled 70 and the other 6 were from batches labeled prior years .
The mention of burning bush is wat struck me as it has nothin to do with Ohaze/HBH and that was what lead me to the conclusion aside from nevil admitting he didnt believe the stock was pure haze
.On another note if your familiar what the story of haze being a four way hybrid, Thai was the last addition soo how would you possibly see it in 69/70 stock
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OH OK I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR COMING FROM NOW I JUST GOT HERE AND MAYBE I SPOKE TOO SOON
Well maybe we can start over im bigherb
My opinion of you has changed with that one post, it takes a real man to admitt the truth
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THANKS BUDDY SO HAVE YOU CONCLUDED WHAT THE HAZE PLANT IS REALLY COMPRISED OF IS IT MORE THAN ONE OR TWO STRAINS CROSSED BECAUSE I LOVE THAT DISTINICT TASTE THAT THE ORIGINAL NL#5 X HAZE HAD IVE GROWN OTHER HAZE STRAINS OFFERED BY OTHER COMPANYS BUT THAT TASTE WASNT THIER
My only conclusion is things dont add up and Sams is the only one who can really clear the air as Nevil said he's given his testimony
This quote from Sams below has made me ponder as to the reason Mns sock is reported to be of THai/lumbo parents/expressions
what ive tried to find out for years an only got the answer when Nevil posted was if any thai was known to hav the incense trait or dark traits i an others are familair with in haze .Becaz the mention of the sweet side of thai this n that.I cant speak from experience and from wat ive gathered there isnt much info on many strains of yesteryear especially thais
post from nevil
ground breaking news of the hazeA n C parents as the exact opposite was thougt before nevil spoke.The leather /catpiss /spice / incense are dominant trais in NYC hazes,while some say that the nyc hazes are from old NL5 haze stock .Id bet its not one brother who has spoke at MNS as hooteroll admitts there was always a seed or two in the haze .The brothers actually come from an area quite close to NYC soo im sure they brought loads here n I believe stock has survived .Aside from that recently a fella has given us a date if i recall before the SB release ,with that in mind n my own families experiences as far back as 90/91 ive come to this conclusion .Ill try to find that post here
his description of haze C is wat ive experienced from 2 phenos of nevils haze ive grown outdoor in nyc ,the pine i now get/understand in the smell but its just a hint really n not wat id consider pine really caz i grew up on some of wat we call candians N motts that was full on pine
while Nevil belives that the catpiss trait comes from inbreeding the haze but its been reported that the fourth variety of OHAZE was sandlewood n slight catpiss which beleive to be the gold variety .Soo i conclude that OHAZE still survives in NYC .
Nevil recognizes the incense/sandlewood trait ,id love to hear SAMS thoughts on the trait as ive never got a response on that subject
i understand Sams CC Haze hybrids carry these traits aswell but IME nevilles haze is the closest ive tasted to NYC haze .These are just some of the reason for my opinions
1luvbigherb
Interesting stuff Big Herb.Thanks for the insite!
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Yep nice chat bh, but...
I'm dubious the uptown NYC Haze can be OHaze, due to the extreme difficulty of growing a pure, or near pure sativa indoors - especially not on a commercial scale. That is, unless as Nevil states, some of the early haze varieties from Cali were already crossed to indica lines.
I mean Have you ever purchased wispy NY Haze?
Cocktail Frank states the closest he has come to NY Haze is Mango Haze, which if nothing else, suggests the presence of indica in NY Haze.
Regarding sandalwood incense flavours. Kangativa has produced a Oaxacan x MM cross, which is either Thai/Columbian x Oaxacan, or Thai x Oaxacan - that is pure sandalwood & frankincense and the most unique pot I've tasted. The interesting thing is - those traits aren't found in the two original strains, but only present when they're crossed. Whatever that means...I'm not sure.
Maybe someone crossed NLHz to SM Gold, or to Early Pearl/Pollyanna or something to produce NYHz? Quite a few possibilities IMO.
I'm dubious the uptown NYC Haze can be OHaze, due to the extreme difficulty of growing a pure, or near pure sativa indoors - especially not on a commercial scale. That is, unless as Nevil states, some of the early haze varieties from Cali were already crossed to indica lines.
I mean Have you ever purchased wispy NY Haze?
Cocktail Frank states the closest he has come to NY Haze is Mango Haze, which if nothing else, suggests the presence of indica in NY Haze.
Regarding sandalwood incense flavours. Kangativa has produced a Oaxacan x MM cross, which is either Thai/Columbian x Oaxacan, or Thai x Oaxacan - that is pure sandalwood & frankincense and the most unique pot I've tasted. The interesting thing is - those traits aren't found in the two original strains, but only present when they're crossed. Whatever that means...I'm not sure.
Maybe someone crossed NLHz to SM Gold, or to Early Pearl/Pollyanna or something to produce NYHz? Quite a few possibilities IMO.
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sup brother
glad your enjoyin n thxful for all your contributions
Bushweed
hows it goin
I was checkin your grow thread the other day wat a F**** view n local ,best wishes
If you remember i was all on you for that MM smoke report n recall you tellin me about the Oax X MM .All mostly appreciated since you have given the best description to date and maybe the first real smoke report on her
I can only speak from experiences and my knowledge and was just expressing my opinion ,when i first came to IC n bragged about FRANKIES n our NYC hazes i was looked as just another newb runnin his lip since then many other NY natives have attested it is some of the best smoke they have come across n they refer to piff LMAO
Hempy has doubted i grew NH aswell as skunk haze outdoor in NYC more than once .After his last rant about it i didnt respond .I sent pics to nevil to thank him and let him kno it can be done ,next time hempy uses that line ill tell him speak to nevil about it
As for FRANKIES being from OHAZE stock its just my opinion ,which comes from several factors such as traits of taste/aroma ,knowledge about the bros and the EFFECTS WHICH i havnt experienced from any other strain
As for cocktail frank his statement speaks volumes ,HE said its the cloest he experienced to NYC haze not as good or even better n that was work of 2 master breeders or shanti to be exact .Also i havnt spoke Nor smoked with CF im not sure which NYC haze he refers to as i can attest to dozens n dozens of haze hybrids uptown .keep in mind if i recall CF refers to his best haze as piff .I dont use that term as it was coined after i started frequenting uptown.
I understand your opinion based on the flowering time but this haze i refer to we call FRANKIES is not steadily available ,you cannot go uptown n ask for frank .It has become somthing along the lines of the strains of yesteryear .I only see her now on rare occasions .last being a small sample during the summer
As me purchasing wispy haze is like me askin you if you know any yobos LOL
ive got much footage of many many NYC hazes ive encountered over the years n sadly dont hav any before some of the golden years before 03 when FRANK was steadily availble ,i got a cam after my first trip too the Dam as i borrowed my ladies granma's cam n it had the worst picture n sound .Soo i had to splurg for the next trip which i had planned before i left LOL.I have several haze strains on footage which express many traits foxtails ,wispy ,golden ,purple tint ,obvious hybrids .
1luvbigherb
sup brother
glad your enjoyin n thxful for all your contributions
Bushweed
hows it goin
I was checkin your grow thread the other day wat a F**** view n local ,best wishes
If you remember i was all on you for that MM smoke report n recall you tellin me about the Oax X MM .All mostly appreciated since you have given the best description to date and maybe the first real smoke report on her
I can only speak from experiences and my knowledge and was just expressing my opinion ,when i first came to IC n bragged about FRANKIES n our NYC hazes i was looked as just another newb runnin his lip since then many other NY natives have attested it is some of the best smoke they have come across n they refer to piff LMAO
Hempy has doubted i grew NH aswell as skunk haze outdoor in NYC more than once .After his last rant about it i didnt respond .I sent pics to nevil to thank him and let him kno it can be done ,next time hempy uses that line ill tell him speak to nevil about it
As for FRANKIES being from OHAZE stock its just my opinion ,which comes from several factors such as traits of taste/aroma ,knowledge about the bros and the EFFECTS WHICH i havnt experienced from any other strain
As for cocktail frank his statement speaks volumes ,HE said its the cloest he experienced to NYC haze not as good or even better n that was work of 2 master breeders or shanti to be exact .Also i havnt spoke Nor smoked with CF im not sure which NYC haze he refers to as i can attest to dozens n dozens of haze hybrids uptown .keep in mind if i recall CF refers to his best haze as piff .I dont use that term as it was coined after i started frequenting uptown.
I understand your opinion based on the flowering time but this haze i refer to we call FRANKIES is not steadily available ,you cannot go uptown n ask for frank .It has become somthing along the lines of the strains of yesteryear .I only see her now on rare occasions .last being a small sample during the summer
As me purchasing wispy haze is like me askin you if you know any yobos LOL
ive got much footage of many many NYC hazes ive encountered over the years n sadly dont hav any before some of the golden years before 03 when FRANK was steadily availble ,i got a cam after my first trip too the Dam as i borrowed my ladies granma's cam n it had the worst picture n sound .Soo i had to splurg for the next trip which i had planned before i left LOL.I have several haze strains on footage which express many traits foxtails ,wispy ,golden ,purple tint ,obvious hybrids .
1luvbigherb
It seems unlikely that anything sold in NYC as Haze after 1980 is from O Haze stock.
The best of the Haze's that I've had from there since around 1999 are far mor likely choice cuts from old NL5 x Haze, where the Haze high and smells were dominant.
The reason you didn't encounter any similar Hazes when you went to the Dam is because for the most part that stuff is long gone since the Haze father of that cross died many years ago. And, you just don't see that stuff in coffee shops over there anymore.
Anyone whos grown a few O Haze plants can tell you, the yield is pitiful. Not only are they some of the lowest yielders you will find, they are pretty finicky plants to grow indoor as well. And, they take forever to finish.
The best of the NYC Haze's of the last 15 years or so were well selected Haze hybrids.
The old school NL5 x Haze being the most likely source.
The NL contributed a higher yield and easier to grow plant with a much reduced flower time. But, it didn't squash the Haze smells/ taste and effect.
People ordered the seeds from Neville out of the back of High Times picked the best plants they found and that's more than likely where the best of our NYC Hazes were born from.
The best of the Haze's that I've had from there since around 1999 are far mor likely choice cuts from old NL5 x Haze, where the Haze high and smells were dominant.
The reason you didn't encounter any similar Hazes when you went to the Dam is because for the most part that stuff is long gone since the Haze father of that cross died many years ago. And, you just don't see that stuff in coffee shops over there anymore.
Anyone whos grown a few O Haze plants can tell you, the yield is pitiful. Not only are they some of the lowest yielders you will find, they are pretty finicky plants to grow indoor as well. And, they take forever to finish.
The best of the NYC Haze's of the last 15 years or so were well selected Haze hybrids.
The old school NL5 x Haze being the most likely source.
The NL contributed a higher yield and easier to grow plant with a much reduced flower time. But, it didn't squash the Haze smells/ taste and effect.
People ordered the seeds from Neville out of the back of High Times picked the best plants they found and that's more than likely where the best of our NYC Hazes were born from.
BIG city
Great points
Its great to know youve got to experience our NYC hazes,it be great if you respond to my post in your thread where ive given you much respect
Id just expressed my opinion as ive only said this in the last year or soo after quite afew Factors were added,there are many who feel as you do .True its not logical that ohaze is grown indoors n sold as such
But the Fact that the Bro's lived in such close approximity makes me believe that there was a huge chance that seeds were in quite afew hands of NYERS n stock was kept from the 70's and possibly grown out a few years later .
The original description of reeferman haze bros haze ,Ohaze or not is interesting sandlewood n catpiss ,Is spot on for the description of the fourth variety of OHAZE along with our nyc hazes
True Ohaze in the cruz was grown till Dec in Greenhouses ,But Fact again is before 81 they were far from pitiful yielders my friend and Sams might attest to that.
That is one reason for Sams quote below And might explain the addition of the other strains
Nevil just posted recently after me pushing the subject that our prior belief of haze A being the parent of the nev's nl5haze release is infact WRONG ,That 88 SB NL5 haze used the HAZE C male which still survives and was recreated by shanti using the same stock .
This has been discussed as for the possibilites throughly here n THCfarm ,It wasnt my intention to make it a main subject as ive never tried to do soo Bushy respectfully interjected ,My only intent was Just to give our haze the respect it deserves.
NL5hz/NL1hz/silver haze /posi Ohaze of 90 are all possible lineage to our nyc haze n hybrids.I cant find it but sure i will some day soon its only one man experience/word but if i recall he stated he experienced Nyc haze before the SB release dates ,aside from this My older cousin smoked Frank for his fist time in 90 ,Soo that'd be some coincedince that a year later or the same year it arrived in the rotten apple
Id like to get back to our topic of Sam sheding light
1luvbigherb
Great points
Its great to know youve got to experience our NYC hazes,it be great if you respond to my post in your thread where ive given you much respect
Id just expressed my opinion as ive only said this in the last year or soo after quite afew Factors were added,there are many who feel as you do .True its not logical that ohaze is grown indoors n sold as such
But the Fact that the Bro's lived in such close approximity makes me believe that there was a huge chance that seeds were in quite afew hands of NYERS n stock was kept from the 70's and possibly grown out a few years later .
The original description of reeferman haze bros haze ,Ohaze or not is interesting sandlewood n catpiss ,Is spot on for the description of the fourth variety of OHAZE along with our nyc hazes
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True Ohaze in the cruz was grown till Dec in Greenhouses ,But Fact again is before 81 they were far from pitiful yielders my friend and Sams might attest to that.
That is one reason for Sams quote below And might explain the addition of the other strains
Nevil just posted recently after me pushing the subject that our prior belief of haze A being the parent of the nev's nl5haze release is infact WRONG ,That 88 SB NL5 haze used the HAZE C male which still survives and was recreated by shanti using the same stock .
This has been discussed as for the possibilites throughly here n THCfarm ,It wasnt my intention to make it a main subject as ive never tried to do soo Bushy respectfully interjected ,My only intent was Just to give our haze the respect it deserves.
NL5hz/NL1hz/silver haze /posi Ohaze of 90 are all possible lineage to our nyc haze n hybrids.I cant find it but sure i will some day soon its only one man experience/word but if i recall he stated he experienced Nyc haze before the SB release dates ,aside from this My older cousin smoked Frank for his fist time in 90 ,Soo that'd be some coincedince that a year later or the same year it arrived in the rotten apple
Id like to get back to our topic of Sam sheding light
1luvbigherb
lets take another trip to nyc where there is haze for days and you can have it your way .grown outdoors in nyc once again my heart desires only the best ,im not interested in yield .the frankincense/incense trait is dear to my heart soo i ran 2 hillbilly haze and a nevilles haze
hillbillyhaze#1 chopped 10/14
smell - unique a first experience cucumber /lite mint /slighty sweet /fruity
taste - slighty fruity with the cucumber dominant and lite mint wit a darker tone
effects -it is quite clear and focused but gives a warming feeling then starts to hit you behind the eyes and gives aheavy feeling in the eyes ,quite cerebral but has a relaxing effect that sets in not stoned but mellowed
bud appearance -lite green nugs with brown/dark reddish pistils ,very dense tight nugs the exact opposite of her sister
hillbillyhaze#2 chopped 10/14
smell - dark coffe /citrus almost a orange/lime /spice /moss
taste - citrus dominant / spice /coffe /with a spicy exhale that leaves a lingering taste like haze
effects - almost identical to the other pheno maybe abit more clear motivational /heady cerebral /heaviness in the eyes thats builds to a warming effect throughout the body
appearance - the most exotic sativa ive grown ,you can see through the bud its soo airy ,its reminescent of the pure lumbos in modern colombian thread or BSC Cblack pic (similar clusters of calxyes).golden look when you crack open a nug the calxyes are golden bud leave is dark green ,it forms clusters of calxyes that point out on nugs and its quite rare ive seen this very exotic look ,dark green nugs with browish/reddish pistils
side note
this strain was hardy and quite easy to grow, resistant to bugs/ mold ,i look forward to a future run for the incense pheno
although i got joked on for her appeal ,after they smoke her they were singing another song ,im walkin on the moon .the effects are special a true high not like the indy hybrids of today .i consider this a conessuier smoke and my not suit everyone
nevilles haze chopped 11/7
smell - what heaven smells like i hope lol straight incense
taste - abit spicy dominated by incense extrem incense on the exhale,id smoke this pheno even if it didnt get me high
effects - very aware self consious /almost outer body feeling /surroundings are enhanced along with hearing /strong feeling throughout the boddy /abit racy at times
bud appearance - foxatils on every nug /slim long running colas of frosted haze /golden appeal gorgeous
this is the fruit of the gods ,this nevilles haze pheno was praised this year,im sure experience played a part but this pheno was much more haze dom as oppose to last year which showed more of her NL side .an older uncle said the buds look like thai sticks .this could be sold as nyc haze
comparison of growth
hillbilly out yielded nevilles haze and had almost month earlier finish
comparison of the smoke
hillbilly haze is why i wish i was around back in the days ,its what id imagine /is comparable to reports of certain pure lumbos
nevilles haze is a perfect representation of the haze i grew up on .look at some of my first post bragging about nyc haze (i still do lol),i was knocked abit looked down on . now ive smoked NH and nevil has confirmed his haze was from SAMS
1luvbigherb
hillbillyhaze#1 chopped 10/14
smell - unique a first experience cucumber /lite mint /slighty sweet /fruity
taste - slighty fruity with the cucumber dominant and lite mint wit a darker tone
effects -it is quite clear and focused but gives a warming feeling then starts to hit you behind the eyes and gives aheavy feeling in the eyes ,quite cerebral but has a relaxing effect that sets in not stoned but mellowed
bud appearance -lite green nugs with brown/dark reddish pistils ,very dense tight nugs the exact opposite of her sister
hillbillyhaze#2 chopped 10/14
smell - dark coffe /citrus almost a orange/lime /spice /moss
taste - citrus dominant / spice /coffe /with a spicy exhale that leaves a lingering taste like haze
effects - almost identical to the other pheno maybe abit more clear motivational /heady cerebral /heaviness in the eyes thats builds to a warming effect throughout the body
appearance - the most exotic sativa ive grown ,you can see through the bud its soo airy ,its reminescent of the pure lumbos in modern colombian thread or BSC Cblack pic (similar clusters of calxyes).golden look when you crack open a nug the calxyes are golden bud leave is dark green ,it forms clusters of calxyes that point out on nugs and its quite rare ive seen this very exotic look ,dark green nugs with browish/reddish pistils
side note
this strain was hardy and quite easy to grow, resistant to bugs/ mold ,i look forward to a future run for the incense pheno
although i got joked on for her appeal ,after they smoke her they were singing another song ,im walkin on the moon .the effects are special a true high not like the indy hybrids of today .i consider this a conessuier smoke and my not suit everyone
nevilles haze chopped 11/7
smell - what heaven smells like i hope lol straight incense
taste - abit spicy dominated by incense extrem incense on the exhale,id smoke this pheno even if it didnt get me high
effects - very aware self consious /almost outer body feeling /surroundings are enhanced along with hearing /strong feeling throughout the boddy /abit racy at times
bud appearance - foxatils on every nug /slim long running colas of frosted haze /golden appeal gorgeous
this is the fruit of the gods ,this nevilles haze pheno was praised this year,im sure experience played a part but this pheno was much more haze dom as oppose to last year which showed more of her NL side .an older uncle said the buds look like thai sticks .this could be sold as nyc haze
comparison of growth
hillbilly out yielded nevilles haze and had almost month earlier finish
comparison of the smoke
hillbilly haze is why i wish i was around back in the days ,its what id imagine /is comparable to reports of certain pure lumbos
nevilles haze is a perfect representation of the haze i grew up on .look at some of my first post bragging about nyc haze (i still do lol),i was knocked abit looked down on . now ive smoked NH and nevil has confirmed his haze was from SAMS
1luvbigherb
Good report Herb. Thanks!
Thats Mister Nice seeds forums.
Nevil isnt on recently. He flew to visit Kangativa and the boys to work on a breeding project in Aus. He is available by e mail only at this time.
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Nevil isnt on recently. He flew to visit Kangativa and the boys to work on a breeding project in Aus. He is available by e mail only at this time.
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How long you would say this Original haze still takes time to finish? It is now on week 14 @ 12/12.
Sorry if totally offtopic atm.
Sorry if totally offtopic atm.
