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milehighmedical
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Great idea, especially if you could use all British pharmaceutical grade ingredients, however i think it would be hard to beat the price of maxibloom using higher quality ingredients unless you buy in bulk.
ganjasuiteseat
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tag and be look for spur ol smart ass
lol peace
lol peace
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greenmatter
there is a D.I.Y. nutrients thread that you might wanna read. spur and mullray among others are posting good stuff over there. if you need lab grade chems in the mile high city, denver scientific can get it. not much on the shelf if your not doing a science project but if you need it they can get it. i think the caveman is right about the price thing, but it's worth a look.
I wanted to make my own nutes too, but it ended up being too much hassle mixing them up.
I ended up ordering Jack's hydro nutrients, which is the cheapest 2-part dry nutes with pH buffering that I could find. I am a happy camper.
I ended up ordering Jack's hydro nutrients, which is the cheapest 2-part dry nutes with pH buffering that I could find. I am a happy camper.
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YosemiteSam
The interesting thing about Maxibloom is that everything is in one jar, including CaNO3.
Figuring out how to match the formula is going to be easy. I would PM tester...if he is in the mood you will get an excellent match. Thing is you would need to keep the CaNO3 separate until you mix it in the tank (no big deal imo) unless someone knows the trick that allows GH to mix it all in one tub.
Can you post the guaranteed analysis and derived from info?
Figuring out how to match the formula is going to be easy. I would PM tester...if he is in the mood you will get an excellent match. Thing is you would need to keep the CaNO3 separate until you mix it in the tank (no big deal imo) unless someone knows the trick that allows GH to mix it all in one tub.
Can you post the guaranteed analysis and derived from info?
I previously asked in the MB thread how a 1-part could be done w/o precipitate and here was the reply:
squarepush3r
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heres a lucas formula DIY (imo which is better than Maxibloom)
NPK =5-10-9
N=5, P=10, K=9 and M=3
i.e the Lucas Formula
Amounts are in Ounces: Final ppm each nutrient: N=176, P=133, K=300, M=100, Calcium=166
Part A.
Calcium Nitrate 75.3
Iron Chelate 2.25
Part B.
Mono Potassium Phosphate 104.8
Magnesium Sulfate 67.4
Trace Part B.
Manganese Sulfate 0.448
Boric Acid 0.085
Zinc Sulfate 0.009
Copper Sulfate 0.003
Ammonium Molybdate 0.0014
This recipe is for a x100 concentrate. That means a combination of 2.5 gallons of Part A. And 2.5 gallons of Part B to which the trace nutrients are added. With all mixed together in a dry mix you have the dry mix equivalent of Floro Nova Bloom without the added humus.
Here is another good one, better than Lucas IMO 274-108-425 ppm's
part A
calcium nitrate 574g
potassium nitrate 300g
part B
magnesium sulfate (epsom salt) 300g
monopotassium phosphate 190g
+ trace cannabis minerals
NPK =5-10-9
N=5, P=10, K=9 and M=3
i.e the Lucas Formula
Amounts are in Ounces: Final ppm each nutrient: N=176, P=133, K=300, M=100, Calcium=166
Part A.
Calcium Nitrate 75.3
Iron Chelate 2.25
Part B.
Mono Potassium Phosphate 104.8
Magnesium Sulfate 67.4
Trace Part B.
Manganese Sulfate 0.448
Boric Acid 0.085
Zinc Sulfate 0.009
Copper Sulfate 0.003
Ammonium Molybdate 0.0014
This recipe is for a x100 concentrate. That means a combination of 2.5 gallons of Part A. And 2.5 gallons of Part B to which the trace nutrients are added. With all mixed together in a dry mix you have the dry mix equivalent of Floro Nova Bloom without the added humus.
Here is another good one, better than Lucas IMO 274-108-425 ppm's
part A
calcium nitrate 574g
potassium nitrate 300g
part B
magnesium sulfate (epsom salt) 300g
monopotassium phosphate 190g
+ trace cannabis minerals
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greenmatter
hey mile check out customhydronutrients.com good place for raw materials. they have a micro premix that looks interesting.
This is completely off IMO, or I'm the one who doesn't get the recommended dilution rate.
In 100 US gallon the above mix gives:
- 668.8 NO3
- 1786.2 P
- 2255.1 K
- 497.7 Mg
- 956 Ca
This gives:
- 290 N
- 290 NO3
- 261.5 P2O5
- 114 P
- 541.2 K2O
- 449.2 K
- 257 Ca
- 78 Mg
- 103 S
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2O5:K2O ratio = 1.1 : 1 : 2.1N
:K ratio = 2.5 : 1 : 3.9Ca:Mg ratio = 3.3 : 1
K:N ratio = 1.5 : 1
Maxiblooms recipe
Maxiblooms recipe
I see no reason to make an exact copy of Maxibloom because it contains a lot of components.
People also need to add pH up with it, which might also add a significant amount of K to the final nutrient solution, this has to be also taken into account.
Anyway, this is how it can be done:
1. We have to know it's nutrient content.
2. For an EXACT copy we need to know the list of components (Derived from)
So now we know the commponents according to the label and the MSDS are:
Note that micronutrient contents (like Boron's) are not presented on the label, but the chemicals that contains them are listed (like potassium borate)
Nutrient content based on the label, and the heavy metal analysis:
3. Dial it in Hydrobuddy
Some pic to make it easier:
1. "Copy commercial nutrient formula" (on the pic the "substance selection" is framed by mistake sorry about that)
Fill in the percentages according to the label, select "addition by weight", mass of addition is 1000g per liter
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9485/hydrobuddyv1.png
2. "Substance selection" select the list of components.
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9500/hydrobuddysubstance.png
3. Volume is 1 liter because there is no water in this equation. we want to make a dry mix with the given percentages.
http://img203.imageshack.us/i/hb3.png/
Results:
This makes about 1kg of Maxibloom.
With these same chemicals (potassium nitrate, calcium nitrate etc) any nutrient profile can be made.
The same chemicals are in every fertilizer, so AN, GHE, Canna etc are using the same salts in different portions, so one can copy or make a very similar profile with these same salt.
Maxiblooms recipe
I see no reason to make an exact copy of Maxibloom because it contains a lot of components.
People also need to add pH up with it, which might also add a significant amount of K to the final nutrient solution, this has to be also taken into account.
Anyway, this is how it can be done:
1. We have to know it's nutrient content.
2. For an EXACT copy we need to know the list of components (Derived from)
Search for Maxibloom's guaranteed nutrient analysis, label, NPK, or MSDS. A lab analysis would be better because labels can be deceiving, companies can also lie about the nute contents but it's rare to have an at hand.
A nutrient analysis can be done at http://www.jrpeterslab.com/nutri_test.html
So now we know the commponents according to the label and the MSDS are:
- ammonium nitrate
- calcium nitrate
- magnesium sulfate
- potassium nitrate
- potassium phosphate
- potassium sulfate
- zinc sulfate.
- ammonium molybdate
- cobalt sulfate
- copper sulfate
- potassium borate
- iron DTPA
Note that micronutrient contents (like Boron's) are not presented on the label, but the chemicals that contains them are listed (like potassium borate)
Nutrient content based on the label, and the heavy metal analysis:
- 5% N
- 4.5% NO3
- 0.5% NH4
- 15% P2O5
- 14% K2O
- 5% Ca
- 3.5% Mg
- 0.1% Fe
- 0.00112% Mo
- 0.0005% Co
- 0.01137% Zn
- 4% S
3. Dial it in Hydrobuddy
Some pic to make it easier:
1. "Copy commercial nutrient formula" (on the pic the "substance selection" is framed by mistake sorry about that)
Fill in the percentages according to the label, select "addition by weight", mass of addition is 1000g per liter
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9485/hydrobuddyv1.png
2. "Substance selection" select the list of components.
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9500/hydrobuddysubstance.png
3. Volume is 1 liter because there is no water in this equation. we want to make a dry mix with the given percentages.
http://img203.imageshack.us/i/hb3.png/
Results:
This makes about 1kg of Maxibloom.
With these same chemicals (potassium nitrate, calcium nitrate etc) any nutrient profile can be made.
The same chemicals are in every fertilizer, so AN, GHE, Canna etc are using the same salts in different portions, so one can copy or make a very similar profile with these same salt.
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squarepush3r
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This is completely off IMO, or I'm the one who doesn't get the recommended dilution rate.
In 100 US gallon the above mix gives:
These are completely off the charts, no matter the dilution rate.
- 668.8 NO3
- 1786.2 P
- 2255.1 K
- 497.7 Mg
- 956 Ca
This gives:
1291 PPM
- 290 N
- 290 NO3
- 261.5 P2O5
- 114 P
- 541.2 K2O
- 449.2 K
- 257 Ca
- 78 Mg
- 103 S
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Ca:Mg ratio = 3.3 : 1
K:N ratio = 1.5 : 1
nice detective work!
they are both copy and paste, the second formula looks pretty good for a bloomer 2.5:1:3.9 fairly solid imo
That fist recipe from Fatman might be for 500 gals instead of 100.
Using the same amounts of salts the NO3 and Mg content will be the same as with Fatmans calculations, but the P and K contents are still off because of mono potassium phosphate. He might made a mistake when converting P2O5 -> P and K2O -> K.
Maxibloom
Maxibloom at 1 tsp (~ 7 grams) per gal is the same as this mix at 1 gal.
Using the same amounts of salts the NO3 and Mg content will be the same as with Fatmans calculations, but the P and K contents are still off because of mono potassium phosphate. He might made a mistake when converting P2O5 -> P and K2O -> K.
Maxibloom
Maxibloom at 1 tsp (~ 7 grams) per gal is the same as this mix at 1 gal.
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cyberwax
this old thread might help out a bit: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=145251
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milehighmedical
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squarepush3r
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Agree. Fatman was doing all his calculations pre-Hydro Buddy, so I'm sure they are ripe for errors. I agree the best bet would to be to start with Hydro Buddy and work your way from there.
I personally leave out the trace elements from Hydro Buddy, and use a generic trace formula that I add to the finish product. Thus simplifying the calculation with 4-5 salts + trace.
I personally leave out the trace elements from Hydro Buddy, and use a generic trace formula that I add to the finish product. Thus simplifying the calculation with 4-5 salts + trace.
That fist recipe from Fatman might be for 500 gals instead of 100.
Using the same amounts of salts the NO3 and Mg content will be the same as with Fatmans calculations, but the P and K contents are still off because of mono potassium phosphate. He might made a mistake when converting P2O5 -> P and K2O -> K.
Maxibloom
Maxibloom at 1 tsp (~ 7 grams) per gal is the same as this mix at 1 gal.
