Bill Introduced To Legalize and Tax Marijuana

[Hydrosun]

Yes yes, home grown cannabis for ornamental and aroma value only not meant for consumption.

To improve your health see FDA approved products only

 

[dagnabit]

do you guys honestly believe when the fed reschedules it's gonna be "grow away buddy" it's free!!!!
or more realistically
big pharma and sativex will be legal and everyone else will be meth labs..

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

what do you think will happen in a post sch II world?
you think state mmj laws will go unaffected? of course not
do you honestly believe that sch II under fda control will put MMJ in the hands of more patients? obviously yes
i believe it will put adulterated cannabis"pills" in the hands of a very few and halt all progress toward decriminalization. more than a very few, and possibly halt recreational
the fed does not relinquish control. if cannabis hits the same sch as oxy/xanax it will be 50 years before it gets off tht sch if it ever does. so what? II is better than I
how can anyone lay that much faith in the federal government? all we got
you actually think they would do what is right once the FDA has cannabis? lol, no, but I give priority to dying cancer patients, not stoners.

There will be many affects on the current MMj systems. Many will still choose plant MMj over pharma-cannabinoids.
Do not confusing MMj for pharma-cannabinoids. They are not the same thing at all.
Pharma-cannabinoids will be put in MANY more people's hands post rescheduling. A great thing for compassion towards your fellow americans. Many terminal patients are denied access to sativex currently due to cannabinoids' schedule I status. That is more offensive than criminalization of stoners.
What you call "halting progress towards decrim" is really halting progress towards recreational decrim, and you are making a huge assumption in thinking rescheduling will harm that.

You want to pass recreational/commercial state by state with cannabinoids still on federal scheduled I?

You will never convince me that cannabis needs to stay schedule I. It has medicinal properties. Sounds like you are for prohibition of cannabinoids on the federal level...

 

[mean mr.mustard]

do you guys honestly believe when the fed reschedules it's gonna be "grow away buddy" it's free!!!!
or more realistically
big pharma and sativex will be legal and everyone else will be meth labs..

It's beginning to sound a lot like fear mongering over here...

So maybe we could get back to the recreational issue??... or not?

I don't think anyone really wants to admit how "out of our hands" cannabis will be under rushed legislation... we need to make it effective and still ours.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

do you guys honestly believe when the fed reschedules it's gonna be "grow away buddy" it's free!!!!
or more realistically
big pharma and sativex will be legal and everyone else will be meth labs..

No one thinks it's going past schedule II anytime soon. And I share your concerns over big pharma... you better believe it.

But Cannabis decrim needs to start with rescheduling. We have no grounds for recreation while cannabis is schedule I. I find it offensive that america is so far behind that our dying citizens do not have access to sativex, while many fight for the right to get high and grow.

I hear you on the meth lab thing... sam and I have already been down this road. I'm getting my garden certified organic, and I suggest the same to everyone out there. That is how we beat them to the punch. Withholding medicine from sick people is unarguably effed no matter what we stand to lose in terms of income.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Mailing seeds to every greenhouse in every county is a much more effective method than voting if you really want cannabis to be available everywhere... at least that way a few instead of the majority may still urge a change.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

Mailing seeds to every greenhouse in every county is a much more effective method than voting if you really want cannabis to be available everywhere... at least that way a few instead of the majority may still urge a change.

I love this guy. You sir, take the "johnny ganjaseed" of the week award. When I left college I planted over 300 seed starts around the rivers and creeks. lol.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I'm a fear-mongering hippie nonconformist.

Don't listen to me... I'll just brainwash you.

 

[skunkbear]

Hey n.p. do you really like mandala's genetics?

i just bought 8 miles high and have the seeds. im looking for a co-op to grow and will find out soon but i saw your comment and had to ask.
i live in the sound area.

 

[dagnabit]

It's beginning to sound a lot like fear mongering over here...

So maybe we could get back to the recreational issue??... or not?

I don't think anyone really wants to admit how "out of our hands" cannabis will be under rushed legislation... we need to make it effective and still ours.

agreed
it's all speculation at this point.
my vision for cannabis legalization is a path through the scotus on a tenth basis that removes it from federal scheduling and places regulation on a state level.
other paths may be just as valid.
i do fear federal rescheduling as a pandoras box.
i guess it does sound a bit like fearmongering(which im usually not guilty of) but it does make me understand a little better how what i viewed as outlandish fearmongering in the 19 debates as maybe overly paranoid true fears and not just smoke screens...


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[THE PABLOS]

It's beginning to sound a lot like fear mongering over here...

So maybe we could get back to the recreational issue??... or not?

I don't think anyone really wants to admit how "out of our hands" cannabis will be under rushed legislation... we need to make it effective and still ours.

I guess that's what I want...to not take it "out of our hands".

The medical community (of which I am a card holder) must become a thing of the past for recreation to happen. That is not to say there is no medicinal uses of course. But when one is speaking in the light of terminal/in major pain patients....marijuana is not what they will want to reach for. Patients will still have access to the recreational herb....so no scripts....why does it need to be kept separate?...I can't remember.

Honestly...I like it how it is now in California. Regulated but not regulated into the ground. Government fights...but has conceded the use of medical...and I'd say many fib their way into holding cards. Again...a large % just want to get high and not worry about legalities...a small % are extremely sick....and a smaller % rely on cannabis as their main way to combat their ailment. I keep my garden and I'm happy. I don't prefer black and white...that's not the color of my world when it comes to anything.

Anyone pushing Cannabis as a miracle wonder drug...is just plain lying to themselves. If Cannabis is the only herb you've studied....you have seriously limited yourself....and are probably band wagoning the industry. Refining.....making derivatives from Cannabis will not be in the hands of anyone blogging away on here...not for a FDA regulated market.

Keeping it in our hands...not sure it has ever been in our hands. You want legal pot...you will concede growing your own....and you will concede to the FDA. That is the cost of business. Can't say i agree with that...but that is the reality of doing business. We will have to offer up much to replace what government will lose in prohibition royalties.

Never for a moment should you think you will be stuffing large outdoor plants in your backyard....all across America. In no way will you have your utopia unless your idea of utopia is conveniently buying your weed from a store....to which many peeps would have no problem. I mean they conceded to not growing their own food for the most part....a small % of peeps grow their own food anymore....too inconvenient I'd say.

Nope...Home Growers will be tossed under the bus by their peers that don't care about gardening their own. That's an easy write off for them in negotiating their convenience. This is not about any sort of freedom after all....it is about what works for a majority....and the majority is self serving to their convenience.

so I can buy my weed from a store now....I can have my "legal" garden now....I have no worry about going to prison now.....what is it I'm voting for again? Because it's the "right" thing to do? For Whom? Who am I inconveniencing by not agreeing to more regulation? Whose garden is really up for sale here?

I can't take a side.....I see it from both sides.

 

[dagnabit]

I guess that's what I want...to not take it "out of our hands".

The medical community (of which I am a card holder) must become a thing of the past for recreation to happen. That is not to say there is no medicinal uses of course. But when one is speaking in the light of terminal/in major pain patients....marijuana is not what they will want to reach for. Patients will still have access to the recreational herb....so no scripts....why does it need to be kept separate?...I can't remember.

Honestly...I like it how it is now in California. Regulated but not regulated into the ground. Government fights...but has conceded the use of medical...and I'd say many fib their way into holding cards. Again...a large % just want to get high and not worry about legalities...a small % are extremely sick....and a smaller % rely on cannabis as their main way to combat their ailment. I keep my garden and I'm happy. I don't prefer black and white...that's not the color of my world when it comes to anything.

Anyone pushing Cannabis as a miracle wonder drug...is just plain lying to themselves. If Cannabis is the only herb you've studied....you have seriously limited yourself....and are probably band wagoning the industry. Refining.....making derivatives from Cannabis will not be in the hands of anyone blogging away on here...not for a FDA regulated market.

Keeping it in our hands...not sure it has ever been in our hands. You want legal pot...you will concede growing your own....and you will concede to the FDA. That is the cost of business. Can't say i agree with that...but that is the reality of doing business. We will have to offer up much to replace what government will lose in prohibition royalties.

Never for a moment should you think you will be stuffing large outdoor plants in your backyard....all across America. In no way will you have your utopia unless your idea of utopia is conveniently buying your weed from a store....to which many peeps would have no problem. I mean they conceded to not growing their own food for the most part....a small % of peeps grow their own food anymore....too inconvenient I'd say.

Nope...Home Growers will be tossed under the bus by their peers that don't care about gardening their own. That's an easy write off for them in negotiating their convenience. This is not about any sort of freedom after all....it is about what works for a majority....and the majority is self serving to their convenience.

so I can buy my weed from a store now....I can have my "legal" garden now....I have no worry about going to prison now.....what is it I'm voting for again? Because it's the "right" thing to do? For Whom? Who am I inconveniencing by not agreeing to more regulation? Who's garden is really up for sale here?

I can't take a side.....I see it from both sides.

much better elocution of my fears..
you sir can be a wordsmith at times.

 

[David762]

Don't you dare blame '60's radicals for today's fascism.

Don't you dare blame '60's radicals for today's fascism.

yes those same "radicals" from the '60s are the ones voting for palin in 2012 and helped create the "free speech zones" we see set up for protests today.
thanks hippies!
oh and thanks '60s hippies for voting with bush on the patriot act!

yeah hippies were ineffective in their time. i just wish they had stayed ineffective.....they have done WAAAAY more harm than good thus far.

Don't you dare blame '60's radicals for today's fascism.

You're perfectly welcome to blame (with considerable justification) the children/followers of John Birch & Joe McCarthy, the Young Republicans, and every Blue Dog Democrat. But not the '60's radicals. Not only do you not know what you're talking about, but you give the impression of being one of those reactionary conservatives yourself -- one of their greatest strengths (sic) is their ability to project their own guilt onto others ...

 

[dagnabit]

does everyone forget the dnc silencing protesters and jailing journalists in denver with their free speech zones?
the republicrats are worse dont get me wrong but it sure is hard to ignore both sides killing peaceful protest.
some of those 60's "radicals" are the powers that be today and they are not who they were..
they are wholly owned subsidiaries of multinational corporations..
they pawned their ideals for a shot at power.

 

[redbudduckfoot]

yeah, my parents were hippies from that era. they lived in a fuckin tepee for two years in WA. no way they or any of their friends that ive met would vote for palin, or support the patriot act. although i see this whole issue from both sides, i am slightly insulted when you suggest my parents or the so called radicals of the 60's would have morphed into tea party proponents. no fuckin way.

 

[THE PABLOS]

much better elocution of my fears..
you sir can be a wordsmith at times.

....more a confused Jack Ass I'd say. Anyway I need to run down to the beach....I have one of my Herb classes today.

Is it necessary to do away with the medical clause before peeps will be willing to fight more heartedly for a recreational solution????

Something will have to give eventually....my understanding and my opinion. One step forward...2 steps backward. Ain't that how politics works?

Ciao boys....have a nice day wherever you are....P

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

Never for a moment should you think you will be stuffing large outdoor plants in your backyard....all across America. In no way will you have your utopia unless your idea of utopia is conveniently buying your weed from a store....to which many peeps would have no problem. I mean they conceded to not growing their own food for the most part....a small % of peeps grow their own food anymore....too inconvenient I'd say.

Nope...Home Growers will be tossed under the bus by their peers that don't care about gardening their own. That's an easy write off for them in negotiating their convenience. This is not about any sort of freedom after all....it is about what works for a majority....and the majority is self serving to their convenience.

so I can buy my weed from a store now....I can have my "legal" garden now....I have no worry about going to prison now.....what is it I'm voting for again? Because it's the "right" thing to do? For Whom? Who am I inconveniencing by not agreeing to more regulation? Whose garden is really up for sale here?

I can't take a side.....I see it from both sides.

I love this guy! Some reality to go with the fear mongering and insults! I'll fight the small farms in CA until there are none left to fight for!

 

[dagnabit]

I love this guy!

we have found common ground...

 

[David762]

I'm not giving today's Democratic Party a free pass.

I'm not giving today's Democratic Party a free pass.

does everyone forget the dnc silencing protesters and jailing journalists in denver with their free speech zones?
the republicrats are worse dont get me wrong but it sure is hard to ignore both sides killing peaceful protest.
some of those 60's "radicals" are the powers that be today and they are not who they were..
they are wholly owned subsidiaries of multinational corporations..
they pawned their ideals for a shot at power.

I'm not giving today's Democratic Party a free pass. They and today's Republican Party are 2 wings of the same Corporatist Party. Choosing a Party or a Presidential candidate is like trying to decide between Tweedledee and Tweedledum -- the candidate on either side of the fake political divide that makes it to the "play-offs" have been vetted and approved by the Powers That Be. Both will serve their masters, their base, who are the "Haves and the Have Mores".
Everything else is "bread and circuses", political theatre, kabuki.

 

[Anti]

"Out on the road today
I saw a deadhead sticker on a cadillac
a little voice inside my head said don't look back
you can never look back."