To Reveg or not to Reveg, that is the question...

[Strangely]

Ok so 'To Reveg or to clone, that is the question' wouldn't have been as good a title, but that's essentially what I'm asking.

I'd be interested to know what peoples general thoughts are but what I'm really concerned with is regarding my own virgin setup.

I have small single chamber cab (flower and veg in same area). This was to make it as small as possible for various reasons. I have a single bushed out girl currently scrogging with about 4 - 6 weeks left to flower. It's all pretty low maintenance so I wouldn't mind a tricky trim job. But should I clone (thinking about cloning in flower) or just reveg her? I can see the roots have pretty much filled the container already not sure if that's relevant.

What do we all think then?! Thanks in advance for any responses.

 

[kayaN0W]

just reveg her and turn her into a mother and spring forth with a fruitful harvest i got 3 more weeks and im gonna start that same process. only i have quite a few goin right now so ill pick prolly 6 or so of the better ones and reveg those as well to throw back into flower so that way i got sum babies cookin while im clonin yaaaa

rock on bud!

 

[tr1ck_]

just reveg her and turn her into a mother and spring forth with a fruitful harvest :

He only has 1 chamber that he uses for both veg and flower so I do not think having a mother is an option.

I have heard its harder to get clones to root when they are already in flowering, but I would still go that route.

 

[!!!]

Clones root readily while in flower. I took clones 5 weeks in flower and they rooted in 1 week (rockwool.) But it takes a lot longer for them to reveg and begin showing new growth.. my clones rooted 2-3 weeks ago and there's no new growth yet. It's not abnormal though.

I would take clones AND reveg. Revegging doesn't always work. For me the survival rate is around 40-50% - more if you leave more leaves/buds on the plant, and even more if you don't flush. Flushing seems to really hurt the plant and in my experience some plants just can't make it back to veg after a heavy flush.

 

[Strangely]

Yeah that's right tr1ck 1 cab space so a mum's not an option.

I have heard its harder to get clones to root when they are already in flowering, but I would still go that route.

Yeah I heard flowering clones are harder to root so I would take several cuts and grow the two that look the best. Why do you reccomend clones over reveg?

Cheers for the responses fellas!

 

[Strangely]

I would take clones AND reveg. Revegging doesn't always work. For me the survival rate is around 40-50% - more if you leave more leaves/buds on the plant, and even more if you don't flush. Flushing seems to really hurt the plant and in my experience some plants just can't make it back to veg after a heavy flush.

And if the plant did reveg and the clones rooted fine etc which should I go for? There wouldn't be space to keep the revegged plants and grow out the clones.

 

[B. Friendly]

nope, your yeild and quality will not nearly be the same...
get new cuttings,
but that's only what I can tell you from reliable sources...

 

[smokefrogg]

it's real tough to get clones to root if they were flowering, from my experience at least, i had taken about 25 total of differing strains, in the end it looks like only 3, maybe 4 will really make it...maybe it's my own lack of experience in play here, when i take cuttings from vegging plants i don't have much of an issue though

either way i hope it works out for you, be very patient with the reveg, you may not see any true signs of vegetative growth for well over a month!

 

[Strangely]

nope, your yeild and quality will not nearly be the same...
get new cuttings,
but that's only what I can tell you from reliable sources...

This is what I've heard a lot of people saying, and is undoubtedly one of my biggest fears.

I've also heard about the often long wait for a plant to reveg. I think I'm leaning towards clones. I like the idea of trying to clone a flowering plant 'monster cloning' is it I think I've seen it called? Whatever it's called it makes some crazy looking multi stemmed plants. If I get zero to root I'll grow from seed again and set the harvested plant back to veg light cycle* before taking cuts.

*How long would people recommend waiting for after flipping back to veg before taking cuts (if looking to take non flowering cuts)?

Thanks for all the advice everyone!

 

[tr1ck_]

What about takeing a few clones and not re-vegging them? Just flower them immediately and keep them in something small like a 1liter bottle's and just convert your cab into a perpetual SOG

 

[Strangely]

The scrog choice over sog is mainly down to keeping plant numbers down and having a low maintenance setup. I'm away some weekends so can't have a sog setup that needs a lot of attention.

 

[BC Chronic]

yeah, thats true..the quality is diminished when you re-veg...its easier to start from seed or get clones and make a mom...
scrog, oncethe plant is where you want it, is the easiest( and sometimes most boring.lol.) way if you want low maintenance growing...the only prob with my scrog is that I'm watering every single day now that she is in full bloom...
best of luck on your final decision Strangely!!!
take care

 

[softyellowlight]

This is what I've heard a lot of people saying, and is undoubtedly one of my biggest fears.

I've also heard about the often long wait for a plant to reveg. I think I'm leaning towards clones. I like the idea of trying to clone a flowering plant 'monster cloning' is it I think I've seen it called? Whatever it's called it makes some crazy looking multi stemmed plants. If I get zero to root I'll grow from seed again and set the harvested plant back to veg light cycle* before taking cuts.

*How long would people recommend waiting for after flipping back to veg before taking cuts (if looking to take non flowering cuts)?

Thanks for all the advice everyone!

I got 3/3 success cloning weeks into flowering, and love the results.

 

[thinkin]

clone!

Go straight to 12/12 if you have no space.
Fresh clones with veg time is best.
Being stealth is important but a small veg chamber will really improve productivity!
(You may get to point where you keep spare clones for just in case moments which eventually happen.)

Revegged takes too long and concerns about lower quality.



I tried reveg and it was waste of time and effort

 

[foomar]

Would take some clones ASAP and experiment with a reveg for the practice , been revegging for decades improveing and tweaking to 90% reliable , do not trust it entirely.

Some individual plants are very unreliable for no apparent reason , mid flower clones with lots of pistills means 5 - 6 weeks till fresh cuts or back into flower under optimum conditions.

Normal cuts takes 7 ish days , mid flower onwards needs 14+ in a dialed in bubbler , males seem to root easier.

Even a chop day clone at 120 days will usually root , the later they are taken the longer to reveg and more chance of a freakshow.

Have seen no loss of vigour or yield from a properly revegged plant or with its clones , in the same pot size the revegged plants yield considerably better.

Air layering a sizeable branch off is another option and a trick worth knowing.

 

[Midnight]

For all of you that say a re veged plant will suffer in quality, if you mean the quality of the smoke, I say bs. It's the same plant for crying out loud. I speak from experience here, pure bs.

 

[Strangely]

After a quick virtual jog over to YouTube for a crash course in air layering (much obliged foomar! ) that might well be worth a little side experiment. If I can overcome the fear of loosing the branch involved! As I could be essentially rooting a clone as I flower out the main plant. Is that right foomar? Presumably it wouldn't hurt to cover the section of stem where I've removed in cloning gel? I'd do this to a lower branch with minimal bud on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eozrB950FFc - Thanks Skip!

Being stealth is important but a small veg chamber will really improve productivity!

I don't doubt it, but I needed / need to keep the build small to get the green light for go ahead! Also keen to keep things as small as possible so if I'm ever caught with my pants down there's no way it could be anything other than a personal grow.

only prob with my scrog is that I'm watering every single day

Hey BC! I have a large rez when compared to my overall cab (probably almost third of volume of cab) so one thing I can be a bit relaxed about is the watering!

Would take some clones ASAP and experiment with a reveg for the practice

I wonder if I could maybe squeeze in a few clones and a trimmed down reveg plant? My heart says yes but my brain says no! Maybe next time, when I'd have at least a couple of plants growing instead of just the one, I could try revegging one and keep the other half for clones.

My growing spidey sense (as undeveloped as it is) coupled with all the comments, is telling me to clone. As in reveg flowering clones. I did my best to mess up the main plant already anyway, snapped the main stem off accidentally trying to get it under a very close (to coco/soil line) screen. so it's probably not the best plant to try and hang onto anyway as it's not really filled the screen 100%. I was really pleased when I did that, as you can imagine!

Very interested in air layering though... always something to learn eh!!

 

[Strangely]

For all of you that say a re veged plant will suffer in quality, if you mean the quality of the smoke, I say bs. It's the same plant for crying out loud. I speak from experience here, pure bs.

Yeah some conflicting thoughts on this. This is my completely unfounded made up theory on why people are against revegging. With younger new growth (from a clone say) you have more control over the new growth, keeping branches nice and tight with close light, direction of growth etc.

But what I think is more relevant, to myself at least (I like order, logic etc), is that a cloned plant is essentially going through the exact same cycle as it's mother (bar the germinating seed stuff obviously) as in Veg - Flower - Chop - Smoke (assuming you give it some veg time) where as a revegged plant has gone Veg - Flower Veg - Flower - Chop - Smoke quite how, or even if, that effects the plant and the subsequent bud I don't know. But the variables have been pretty drastically changed so there could be some change in how the plant behaves / reacts.

This information was brought to you from my bumhole.

 

[Midnight]

But the variables have been pretty drastically changed so there could be some change in how the plant behaves / reacts.

Nope, pure bs. I do it all the time.

 

[Strangely]

Nope, pure bs. I do it all the time.

It's not though is it. BS I mean. The method of growing is different the second time around.

Grow 1
VEG - FLOWER - HARVEST

Grow 2 (reveg)
VEG - FLOWER - VEG - FLOWER - HARVEST

I'm not saying you don't get excellent results, I'm sure you do. What I am saying is that the two processes differ. That's a fact. Which means that could affect how the plant grows.