Gas is gonna go through the roof.....

[mocs0]

We are a government of the people, unfortunately 15 states and a district is not a majority. Now if 26+ states wanted and had established Medical Marijuana then you would have the strength in numbers to say this is the majority will of the people.

Federal law trumps state law, so people in those 16 territories are still at risk federally while not violating state law, regardless of the will of the voters in those territories.

Those 15 states and the District voted for MMJ by ballot initiative.

The United States has no initiative process at the national level, but the initiative is in use at the level of state government in 24 states and the District of Columbia, and is also in common use at the local government level.

How convenient.

while Sweetin is accurately stating the law, he's thumbing his nose at Obama and Holder and official DOJ policy. Will that get him fired? Probably not, which should be a sign of how little commitment the Obama Administration really has towards medical marijuana and state laws that allow it.

Americans are more accepting of medical marijuana. Sixty percent support the idea and 74 percent believe the drug has a real medical benefit for some people. Two-thirds of Democrats favor medical marijuana as do a slim majority of Republicans, 53 percent.

Even Fox News admits 60 percent of Americans support "the idea" of Medical Marijuana, while the executive, legislative, and judicial branches won't even consider "the idea". I guess Fox is fair and balanced once in a blue moon.

I'm not sure how this ties into gas prices though. I guess because hemp can be used to make bio fuels but hemp is a whole different thing then Medical Marijuana. They could start using hemp for fuel and still have medical marijuana illegal because medical marijuana strains are not the ideal strains to use for bio fuels. The strains that would give the best returns on bio fuel are strains with little to no THC content.

They could start using hemp, but it's illegal. They could legalize hemp, yes, but they won't. You can use google if you would like to hear their excuses for not doing so.

Hemp falls under the cannabis umbrella (Cannabis Ruderalis, as mentioned earlier in the thread), and is therefore a Schedule 1 drug even though it has little to no narcotic effect. That is why it's illegal to grow hemp in the US, that's why imported hemp seeds are required to be sterilized before they are sold, and that's why hemp will never be made legal until the prohibition on marijuana ends.

In conclusion, Schedule 1 drugs are those seen as having "no medicinal value". Medical Marijuana (aka Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica) refutes the placement of cannabis on sched. 1. Taking it off sched 1, therefore, would be a great help in allowing farmers to grow Cannabis Ruderalis without getting life in prison.

 

[HempKat]

They could start using hemp, but it's illegal. They could legalize hemp, yes, but they won't. You can use google if you would like to hear their excuses for not doing so.

Hemp falls under the cannabis umbrella (Cannabis Ruderalis, as mentioned earlier in the thread), and is therefore a Schedule 1 drug even though it has little to no narcotic effect. That is why it's illegal to grow hemp in the US, that's why imported hemp seeds are required to be sterilized before they are sold, and that's why hemp will never be made legal until the prohibition on marijuana ends.

In conclusion, Schedule 1 drugs are those seen as having "no medicinal value". Medical Marijuana (aka Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica) refutes the placement of cannabis on sched. 1. Taking it off sched 1, therefore, would be a great help in allowing farmers to grow Cannabis Ruderalis without getting life in prison.

Hemp is not ruderalis, ruderalis is a class of marijuana known for growing short (less then 3 feet), auto-flowering and low to moderate THC levels. If you've ever grown an autoflowering strain then it had ruderalis in it. Ruderalis is too small to be cost effective for hemp. Below is a link to a picture of how tall hemp is grown.

http://www.iwearweed.com/weedtalk/uploaded_images/hemp_field-703435.jpg

 

[mocs0]

Hemp is not ruderalis, ruderalis is a class of marijuana known for growing short (less then 3 feet), auto-flowering and low to moderate THC levels. If you've ever grown an autoflowering strain then it had ruderalis in it. Ruderalis is too small to be cost effective for hemp.

Perhaps you're right. Thanks for pointing that out. Whether hemp is a cross between a tall sativa and a low-thc ruderalis (which seems likely) or if it is a 4th species (which I doubt) , I can't say. Anyway, your argument is one of semantics, irrelevant to the issue. I still stand by the rest of what I said. Hemp is in the cannabis family and a schedule 1 drug.

Hemp (from Old English hænep) is the name of the soft, durable fibre that is cultivated from plants of the Cannabis genus

Edit: Added info below

The term 'Ruderalis' was originally used in the former Soviet Union to describe the varieties of hemp that had escaped cultivation and adapted to the surrounding region.

Though they contain little THC, these plants hold large potential for use in breeding, both in hemp and marijuana applications. Early flowering and resistance to locally significant insect and disease pressures are but a few of the important traits present in these feral populations.

 

[emilyC]

kushmobile, hehehe


high flying vehicles of the future...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Yep, take a trip without leaving the driveway.

 

[HempKat]

Perhaps you're right. Thanks for pointing that out. Whether hemp is a cross between a tall sativa and a low-thc ruderalis (which seems likely) or if it is a 4th species (which I doubt) , I can't say. Anyway, your argument is one of semantics, irrelevant to the issue. I still stand by the rest of what I said. Hemp is in the cannabis family and a schedule 1 drug.





Edit: Added info below

Well look at your own definition of hemp. Hemp is not the plant but rather the by product of cannabis. As for why hemp is illegal it's not because it falls under the umbrella of cannabis it's because you must grow cannabis to get hemp.

 

[mocs0]

Well look at your own definition of hemp. Hemp is not the plant but rather the by product of cannabis. As for why hemp is illegal it's not because it falls under the umbrella of cannabis it's because you must grow cannabis to get hemp.

Ok, Hempkat. more semantics. I said what I have to say on the subject.

 

[HempKat]

Ok, Hempkat. more semantics. I said what I have to say on the subject.

It's not semantics, you just can't admit you were wrong. I'm not sure why either being wrong about what exactly hemp is doesn't make the point you were making wrong. Look if you're going to be so sensitive about someone correcting a mistake you made then maybe you just shouldn't post at all.

 

[Chronic Don]

Look if you're going to be so sensitive about someone correcting a mistake you made then maybe you just shouldn't post at all.

wow kinda harsh. not to be nosy but if its just semantics, why correct it? it starts fights, ends up with people saying shit. And shows the pettiness of the author

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

IMO, mocs0 makes his point.

We've used the word hemp to denote the highly fibrous and low psychoactive varieties of (commonly) sativa for decades. But since it depends on what part of the world we're talking about, sativa might not apply.

We commonly see the term "hemp" used when fiber isn't necessarily the primary. Like "hemp" seed, "hemp" oil, etc. It might leave the impression that "hemp" is commonly used to denote the plant itself.

When one makes note of failed opinion based on (anything) it would be nice if they'd take the time to express.

Basically, we can't use a plant variety with multiple industrial and commercial purposes, even though it's low psychoactive properties make it far less suitable for recreational and or medicinal uses. Yet, it's Schedule 1.

How does one denote low psychoactive yet high fibrous cannabis without using as many words? For all practical purposes, the answer is hemp.

 

[HempKat]

wow kinda harsh. not to be nosy but if its just semantics, why correct it? it starts fights, ends up with people saying shit. And shows the pettiness of the author

Because it's not just semantics mocs0 was saying that hemp is ruderalis, then was saying it's a cross of ruderalis and sativa. It is neither. Even by the definition mocs0 posted knows better

Hemp (from Old English hænep) is the name of the soft, durable fibre that is cultivated from plants of the Cannabis genus

Hemp is a byproduct that comes from cannabis, it's not a strain, it's not a cross, it can come from any cannabis strain. The confusion with ruderalis I think is that in Russia, what else are you going to grow? Ruderalis is an autoflowering strain that has adapted to more northern climates. There is no way a sativa could grow properly in Russia, outdoors, and not freeze well before harvest. It's doubtful even an indica could properly grow to harvest outdoors in Russia.

What hemp farmers use general is a type of sativa that has been choosen for it's high fiber content and it's low THC content. If mocs0 had read a bit further on the wikipedia page where the definition of hemp came from, then mocs0 would have found this.

Cannabis sativa L. subsp. sativa var. sativa is the variety grown for industrial use, while C. sativa subsp. indica generally has poor fibre quality and is primarily used for production of recreational and medicinal drugs. The major difference between the two types of plants is the appearance and the amount of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) secreted in a resinous mixture by epidermal hairs called glandular trichomes, although they can also be distinguished genetically.[14] Oilseed and fibre varieties of Cannabis approved for industrial hemp production produce only minute amounts of this psychoactive drug, not enough for any physical or psychological effects. Typically, hemp contains below 0.3% THC, while cultivars of Cannabis grown for marijuana can contain anywhere from 6 to over 20%.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

What most industrial producers of hemp use is sativa, that's why it's like 15' to 20' tall. No ruderalis strain is ever going to grow that tall.

Mocs0 wants to call it semantics because he/she is upset with me from a disagreement we had in another thread. He/she is too petty to admit he/she was wrong and just move on. Instead he/she wants to bury his/her head in the sand and go around spreading misinformation that hemp is ruderalis.

 

[HempKat]

IMO, mocs0 makes his point.

We've used the word hemp to denote the highly fibrous and low psychoactive varieties of (commonly) sativa for decades. But since it depends on what part of the world we're talking about, sativa might not apply.

We commonly see the term "hemp" used when fiber isn't necessarily the primary. Like "hemp" seed, "hemp" oil, etc. It might leave the impression that "hemp" is commonly used to denote the plant itself.

When one makes note of failed opinion based on (anything) it would be nice if they'd take the time to express.

Basically, we can't use a plant variety with multiple industrial and commercial purposes, even though it's low psychoactive properties make it far less suitable for recreational and or medicinal uses. Yet, it's Schedule 1.

How does one denote low psychoactive yet high fibrous cannabis without using as many words? For all practical purposes, the answer is hemp.

Well if all mosc0 was trying to do was cut down on the number of words used that would be one thing but anybody with an IQ above that of a retard can see that saying...

Hemp falls under the cannabis umbrella (Cannabis Ruderalis, as mentioned earlier in the thread), and is therefore a Schedule 1 drug even though it has little to no narcotic effect.

...is not trying to save words. Is not indicating that hemp can come from any strain. What they are doing is incorrectly saying it is a specific type of marijuana known as ruderalis which it isn't and that fact is supported by the very page mocs0 referenced to define it, if mosc0 had just bothered to read more then the first paragraph or two.

As I said, the point about why we can't grow it isn't invalidated by the correction and if mosc0 had just been mature enough to say, " I stand corrected" or "my mistake" rather then "your argument is one of semantics, irrelevant to the issue" then this never would have gone beyond the one post I made correcting mosc0.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

From Wikipedia:

Hemp (from Old English hænep) is the name of the soft, durable fibre that is cultivated from plants of the Cannabis genus. "Hemp" is also a name for the Cannabis plant. Some use it to mean only the low THC strains of the plant, although this is a neologism. In modern times, hemp has been used for industrial purposes including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, construction, health food, fuel, and medical purposes with modest commercial success. Since 2007, commercial success of hemp food products has grown considerably.

Hemp is one of the faster growing biomasses known, producing up to 25 tonnes of dry matter per hectare per year. A normal average yield in large scale modern agriculture is about 2.5-3.5 t/ac (air dry stem yields of dry, retted stalks per acre at 12% moisture). Approximately one tonne of bast fiber and 2-3 tonnes of core material can be decorticated from 3-4 tonnes of good quality, dry retted straw.

For a crop, hemp is very environmentally friendly (with the exception of chemical fertilizers used in industrial agriculture) as it requires few pesticides and no herbicides. Modern research data on soil fertility is limited. Currently, results indicate that high yield of hemp may require total nutrient levels (field plus fertilizer nutrients) similar to a high yielding wheat crop.

Hemp is one of the earliest domesticated plants known.

Cannabis sativa L. subsp. sativa var. sativa is the variety grown for industrial use, while C. sativa subsp. indica generally has poor fibre quality and is primarily used for production of recreational and medicinal drugs. The major difference between the two types of plants is the appearance and the amount of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) secreted in a resinous mixture by epidermal hairs called glandular trichomes, although they can also be distinguished genetically. Oilseed and fibre varieties of Cannabis approved for industrial hemp production produce only minute amounts of this psychoactive drug, not enough for any physical or psychological effects. Typically, hemp contains below 0.3% THC, while cultivars of Cannabis grown for marijuana can contain anywhere from 6 to over 20%.

The world leading producer of hemp is China with smaller production in Europe, Chile and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. While more hemp is exported to the United States than to any other country, the United States Government does not consistently distinguish between marijuana and the non-psychoactive Cannabis used for industrial and commercial purposes

 

[Private Joker]

Someone said that hemp is illegal because you have to grow cannabis to get it.

Would "cannabis is illegal because of the industrial value of hemp" work?

That's how I see it

 

[Private Joker]

What I meant to say was-

That's why I love my 4 banger with a five speed, up to 32mpg

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

and if mosc0 had just been mature enough to say, " I stand corrected" or "my mistake" rather then "your argument is one of semantics, irrelevant to the issue" then this never would have gone beyond the one post I made correcting mosc0.

Perhaps you're right. Thanks for pointing that out.

Basically if we remove cannabis from schedule 1, we might enjoy more uses of cannabis, possibly hemp. If cannabis is legalized,

.

 

[HempKat]

Basically if we remove cannabis from schedule 1, we might enjoy more uses of cannabis, possibly hemp. If cannabis is legalized,

.

How nice of you to leave the incriminating stuff your buddy said out of your quote. Let's quote the whole statement shall we. You know to show how the thanks was invalidate by the insult. Also you might as well show the wrong interpretation of what hemp is that was made rather then just what we might get if marijuana is removed from schedule 1. I guess you're another one that has no problem spreading misinformation about marijuana around?

Perhaps you're right. Thanks for pointing that out. Whether hemp is a cross between a tall sativa and a low-thc ruderalis (which seems likely) or if it is a 4th species (which I doubt) , I can't say. Anyway, your argument is one of semantics, irrelevant to the issue. I still stand by the rest of what I said. Hemp is in the cannabis family and a schedule 1 drug.

Here's an idea, if you can't say what something is or aren't sure of what a thing is then either research it before you talk about it or just don't talk about it. Either is much preferable to spreading false information.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

How nice of you to leave the incriminating stuff your buddy said out of your quote. Let's quote the whole statement shall we. You know to show how the thanks was invalidate by the insult. Also you might as well show the wrong interpretation of what hemp is that was made rather then just what we might get if marijuana is removed from schedule 1. I guess you're another one that has no problem spreading misinformation about marijuana around?

Oh my gawd, El Presidente is spreading misinformation. Good thing we've got you to clear things up, Hemp.

From Wikipedia: Hemp (from Old English hænep) is the name of the soft, durable fibre that is cultivated from plants of the Cannabis genus. "Hemp" is also a name for the Cannabis plant. Some use it to mean only the low THC strains of the plant, although this is a neologism...

From Wikipedia: neologism - A neologism (pronounced /niːˈɒlədʒɪzəm/, from the Greek νέο-, néo-, "new", and λόγος, lógos, "speech", "utterance") is a newly coined term, word or phrase, that may be in the process of entering common use, but has not yet been accepted into mainstream language...

This means that some of us accept the term as prescribed and you don't.

From Wikipedia: ...In modern times, hemp has been used for industrial purposes including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, construction, health food, fuel, and medical purposes with modest commercial success. Since 2007, commercial success of hemp food products has grown considerably...

Whatayaknow Hemp, there's a few uses that aren't fiber specific. They must be referring to the hemp plant, albeit a neologism.

From Wikipedia: ...Hemp is one of the faster growing biomasses known, producing up to 25 tonnes of dry matter per hectare per year. A normal average yield in large scale modern agriculture is about 2.5-3.5 t/ac (air dry stem yields of dry, retted stalks per acre at 12% moisture). Approximately one tonne of bast fiber and 2-3 tonnes of core material can be decorticated from 3-4 tonnes of good quality, dry retted straw...

That's a lot of dry matter and core material for hemp. Must be that darned neologism (the) hemp plant.

From Wikipedia: ...For a crop, hemp is very environmentally friendly (with the exception of chemical fertilizers used in industrial agriculture) as it requires few pesticides and no herbicides. Modern research data on soil fertility is limited. Currently, results indicate that high yield of hemp may require total nutrient levels (field plus fertilizer nutrients) similar to a high yielding wheat crop...

more neologism...

From Wikipedia: ...Hemp is one of the earliest domesticated plants known...

One might think Wiki has accepted the dratted neologism hemp plant as well.

From Wikipedia: ...Typically, hemp contains below 0.3% THC, while cultivars of Cannabis grown for marijuana can contain anywhere from 6 to over 20%...

^^^Ah ha, using the neologism "hemp" as a plant.^^^

Here's an idea, if you can't say what something is or aren't sure of what a thing is then either research it before you talk about it or just don't talk about it. Either is much preferable to spreading false information.

Or, we can chalk-up much of your debate to minutia.

 

[SpasticGramps]

While we are making mountains out of molehills HempKat. Kat is spelled Cat. With a C.

 

[Greensub]

Now that was funny...