strain to breed with iranian short season?

[chongsbuddy]

i got a pack of iranian short season because i have never heard so many positive outdoor reports on 1 strain before.i want to breed the nicest fem to a mns male strain,i just dont know which one.i am really leaning towards afghan skunk which im pretty sure is an ibl,which in my belief is a strain with little variation.from what i hear it has very good potency on the indica side and finishes in about 8 weeks with a good yield and great oldschool taste.the iranian itself is not a true auto,it will stay in veg when kept at 24/0 light schedule,so you can take cuttings from the strain and as soon as you put them outside they begin to flower immediatly.i would love to breed it with SSH,but there is too much variation and it would take too long to find a good pheno to breed with....i think anyway.i know that if i bred it to any 10 week or less strain the seeds would finish no later than the end of september and be very cloneable.any suggestions on a good male to breed would be greatly appreciated.obviously mold restistance,great potency and 70 days of flowering or less are big factors.lets see what you guys and/or gals can come up with!!!!!cant wait to hear your feedback!

 

[psyke]

You should consider the heterosis-effect also known as the hybrid vigour which says that a plant will get even more better than their parents, the farer the original genetics are away from each other.

Taking this into account, the afghan/skunk is not the strain of choice. I would recommend something like a mexican oder hawaiian landrace, or something else from south america. American landraces will meet the heterosis criteria. But something more modern like a White Widow, or a stable version of Sour Diesel will also do it. Or perhaps try a Bubblegum, it is nearly stable too. There are a few more stable indoorstrains which could fit.

By the way: Where did you get your pack of Iranian?

 

[chongsbuddy]

what about sharkshock?or black widow

 

[psyke]

I really don´t like the Black Widow. Most of the modern White Widows are better in terms of yield and taste. But it is possible to use it to create a nice sativa/indica-Hybrid, but it is not the optimum. White Widows are the way to go. I don´t know much about the Shark Shock, only that it is a Widow crossed with Skunk. I don´t know if it is a stable strain so I will not recommend this. A good try could be the Bubblegum from Serious Seeds, because it is said that it is stable. The Kali Mist is even better, because it is Sativa and a very good opposite of the Iranian Indica. It is mentioned that Kali Mist is stable too, and the average flowering time is about 70 days. A cross with a C99 would be interesting too. To make a good OG Kush or Diesel ready for outdoors would also be a thankful thing.

I also recommend to use regular seeds for breeding because the selfing-method used to produce female seeds makes transcription errors into the dna . And please take into account that beneath the short flowerting period the critical daylenght plays a crucial role in breeding outdoorplants. Usually the indoorplants flower at something like 12/12, while good outdoorstrains start to flower by a daylenght of 14h+ (August at 50°N). It could be that you have to reselect a little. So don´t use the late flowering indoorplants as crossing partners. A good way to detect the suitable daylenght-plants is to change the light not directly from 18/6 to 12/12. Just shorten the daytime 30 minutes a day, so that you can detect the early types -that are the ones you will use for crossing. Outdoors the thing is easier. Just pollinate only the plants with the first pistils.

Now I have some questions about the Iranian Indica, because I also would like to buy it and make some crosses, but I can´t find it anywhere. Is there a seedbank or reseller who has it?

Did you grow the Iranian indoors? What about yield, high, potency, growth-structure and taste? Are the 40-45 days of flower realistic?

 

[WelderDan]

Consider something like Burmese, Nepalese or Lebanese.

 

[chongsbuddy]

I WAS CONSIDERING BURMESE ACTUALLY

 

[bugler]

the iranian is a dr greenthumb

I'm really curious about it too. The only problem is that it's expensive, and 90% of those positive reviews you see are from the exact same person pretending to be different people. I'm not saying it's the breeder, but it's obviously the same person. I LOVE the idea of it though, so can you share some info?
Does it really do the auto flower trigger thing?
Really no problems keeping moms? I've read most moms will eventually flower under 24 hrs but you can get several to 6 months out of most. Any truth there?
Veg time before putting out, height, yield, finish time etc.

I think this strain, if performing as advertised has the potential to be the absolute bomb ass approach to leo and ripper prone areas without the drawbacks of the true autos. So please share all you can as you are clearly not the same shill I've read a dozen or more reviews from.

On the breeding front, I wouldn't be surprised if the semi-auto trait is recessive, meaning those traits won't show up in the first generation anyway. How much it will shorten flowering time in the F2's is unpredictable as well. I've seen the hybrids of it doc has, and read a few reviews on those too, but note that all of them are femmed. Which means it's entirely likely that even if they have the early flowering advertised, that might not be a common characteristic, might not even be from the f2 generation, just that at some point one individual that doc found showed the trait and he selfed it.

IOW, don't be disappointed if you have to hunt a lot to find semi-automatic traits or even drastically shortened flower times. Of course I could be wrong because I've never tried, but it seems to me that is why doc releases the fems, because they are rare expressions.

Oh, and if you could share any links to the great reviews you've read that would be great, I'd love to read them too if they aren't the plants I've seen a good bit of, thanks!

 

[Krull]

The only problem is that it's expensive, and 90% of those positive reviews you see are from the exact same person pretending to be different people. I'm not saying it's the breeder, but it's obviously the same person

in every early/af strain discussion thread this stuff is popping up as being the holy grail... with little to zero proof...

=K

 

[bugler]

Yo chung, whatsup buddy?

 

[chongsbuddy]

i know 2 guys who grew it and it is the real deal!and cloneable!i dont care if the traits dont show up for 2 or more generations,but im damn sure ill find a few in the first batch of seeds.im going with sensi star as a breeder.when i get what i want and noi herm traits il sts a fem and make some fem iranian stars!!this is for personal smoke and friends only so i dont care how long it takes.its what i love to do.

 

[chongsbuddy]

just do a google search,reibsi did a grow this year over at udg and his reviews are real good,said its top 3 of any stouty he has grown(iranian/og)a few good ones at thc farmer and a few over at roll it up,ill get a few links and paste them in here

http://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/325382-iranian-auto-test-thread.html

http://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/329465-iranian-autos-pics.html

 

[vicious bee]

I grew some and femmed it. I only smoked a small hit and got a good buzz. It seems well worth keeping. I've crossed it with several females. Those I grow I'll back cross with the same pollen.

 

[breeder brad]

the iranian is a dr greenthumb

I'm really curious about it too. The only problem is that it's expensive, and 90% of those positive reviews you see are from the exact same person pretending to be different people. I'm not saying it's the breeder, but it's obviously the same person. I LOVE the idea of it though, so can you share some info?
Does it really do the auto flower trigger thing?
Really no problems keeping moms? I've read most moms will eventually flower under 24 hrs but you can get several to 6 months out of most. Any truth there?
Veg time before putting out, height, yield, finish time etc.

I think this strain, if performing as advertised has the potential to be the absolute bomb ass approach to leo and ripper prone areas without the drawbacks of the true autos. So please share all you can as you are clearly not the same shill I've read a dozen or more reviews from.

On the breeding front, I wouldn't be surprised if the semi-auto trait is recessive, meaning those traits won't show up in the first generation anyway. How much it will shorten flowering time in the F2's is unpredictable as well. I've seen the hybrids of it doc has, and read a few reviews on those too, but note that all of them are femmed. Which means it's entirely likely that even if they have the early flowering advertised, that might not be a common characteristic, might not even be from the f2 generation, just that at some point one individual that doc found showed the trait and he selfed it.

IOW, don't be disappointed if you have to hunt a lot to find semi-automatic traits or even drastically shortened flower times. Of course I could be wrong because I've never tried, but it seems to me that is why doc releases the fems, because they are rare expressions.

Oh, and if you could share any links to the great reviews you've read that would be great, I'd love to read them too if they aren't the plants I've seen a good bit of, thanks!

We've been working with the Iranian Auto for a few years now and it is an unusal strain. It does flower outdoors regardless of the photoperiod, so best yields are had when timing it so peak flowering is in June for July harvest. Indoors it does stay in veg for a long time under 24 hours of light and you can get several rounds of clones of of them before they eventually go to flower even under 24 hour light. Is it an auto? Depends on how you look at it but it is an outdoor plant and it does flower in May and June when the days are getting longer so outdoors at least it is an auto.

 

[Claude Hopper]

Interesting. I've been working on a similar project: Here's from my album "Dizzies" from
2011:

Dizzies: A breeding project
I've crossed Paradise Seeds Vertigo autoflowers with a Hybrids From Hell's Hashplant.

I'm working for something in the line of the "Iranian autoflower: a plant that can be vegged to decent size at 24-20 hours of light and then set out to flower under normal long summer days.

I've got some f3's flowering now as an early sample, waiting for a larger outdoor selection for seeds for an f4 generation.

I planted 2 seeds in each of six pots and set them in my closet under 18 hours of light. There were 7 males and all of them had shown sex when I went to 12/12. The Hashplant parent stock had this trait as well, making it easy to cull males before planting out a guerrilla grow.


Look at the diversity of the 5 females! Lots of smells too. The center plant is nearly twice as tall as it looks because its been lst'd into an S.