LIFE in prison for arson!?!

[Weird]

its plain and simple they are pieces of shit

what if it were 10 grow houses they robbed and torched?

if they burnt down 10 of anything else it would be a fucking travesty

they not only stole peoples shit but they fucked it up after for no reason, not just meet their needs with theft, but maliciously fucked up the place they robbed to boot

what kind of pathetic fuck can justify stealing and burning down the place you rob, thats scum of the earth crack head behavior even to people that are street

i don't know whats thicker in here, hypocritical irony or stupidity

lets sum up the argument for serial arson in this thread

"SERIAL ARSON IS ALL GOOD AS LONG AS THE VICTIMS ARE A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION MY UNDERDEVELOPED
FRONTAL LOBE CAN BE PROGRAMED WITH PROPAGANDA TO MARGINALIZE"

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

So robbers and vandals get the same as potential murderers (without murdering)?

You might sum up your own opinion but not the debate. 15 to 18 ain't exactly summed up.

 

[Misuseofyou]

They should have given them a pat on the back and a hearty thanks for destroying some of the blight on the human race that is religion. If you're an asshole who wants power over people you become a cop. If you're a diddler who wants power over people you become a priest.

 

[Greensub]

what if it were 10 grow houses they robbed and torched?

I believe that's the whole sticking point... If it were 10 houses thay would have gotten a lesser sentence than they did, with just as much danger to fire services and the surrounding population. Probably more-so because houses are often closer to other buildings than churches are.

The question is if these guy's deserve the sentence Just because it was ten churches not 10 houses.

This is what happened. Texas gives out harsher sentences for burning a church than for burning down the police station.

In my opinion everyone burning down 10 structures should be getting a life sentence then... Not just the people burning churches!

Why should there be a double standard? There isn't a greater amount of damage.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

he shoulda got a trophy. I fucking HATE the Texas church culture! fuck em

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I believe that's the whole sticking point... If it were 10 houses thay would have gotten a lesser sentence than they did, with just as much danger to fire services and the surrounding population. Probably more-so because houses are often closer to other buildings than churches are.

The question is if these guy's deserve the sentence Just because it was ten churches not 10 houses.

This is what happened. Texas gives out harsher sentences for burning a church than for burning down the police station.

In my opinion everyone burning down 10 structures should be getting a life sentence then... Not just the people burning churches!

Why should there be a double standard? There isn't a greater amount of damage.

It would be hard to suggest those who burn down ten houses didn't seek to injure or kill. We're all in our homes more than civic or religious buildings.

IMO, killers and vandals getting life is a double standard.

 

[Greensub]

It would be hard to suggest those who burn down ten houses didn't seek to injure or kill. We're all in our homes more than civic or religious buildings.

IMO, killers and vandals getting life is a double standard.

I agree I think... I'm a little confused by your response actually to be honest. The rhetorical point I was trying to make is that in the state of texas... there's a special section of the law that equates an empty church to a house with people in it from what I remember reading. Whoops I see I am wrong... It does say habitation in there. So I guess a house and a church would be the same... but if you burned down the police station and didn't bodily injure anyone.

Life sentencing for arson is for first degree arson...

(d) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the
second degree, except that the offense is a felony of the first
degree if it is shown on the trial of the offense that:
(1) bodily injury or death was suffered by any person
by reason of the commission of the offense; or
(2) the property intended to be damaged or destroyed
by the actor was a habitation or a place of assembly or worship.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/28.02.00.html



EDIT* read my own post... and saw where it's a habitation or a church that get's the first degree enhancement. I'll have to think about that.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Okay, I misunderstood your point. Sorry for the retort in that manner. Thanks for the statute. It's pretty apparent these two shouldn't have messed with Texas.

Maybe they could give em 98 years instead of 99, lol. Because that would make Texas the only state that sentences life for potentially victimless crimes.

 

[catcherintheye]

wierd, youre name is very appropriate, If youre gona post, you can prove your point without calling people names and being so aggressive.

You still havent said a thing or replied to my response about you calling me a supporter of rape and murder not to forget pillaging... lol. Youre watchin way too much pirates of the caribbean brother.. I dont blame you I cant get enough of johnny depp meself.

Thanks everyone for your opinions, people really opened up on alot of things and the poll as well. Looking good.

 

[Greensub]

Okay, I misunderstood your point. Sorry for the retort in that manner. Thanks for the statute. It's pretty apparent these two shouldn't have messed with Texas.

Maybe they could give em 98 years instead of 99, lol. Because that would make Texas the only state that sentences life for potentially victimless crimes.

No problem... I'll have to point out that life in texas is a 30 yr sentence from what I could find... of course if your serving 5 consecutively that's 150 yrs with a couple 20 yr sentences thrown in too for the one guy. I read somewhere you're eligible for parole after 25 yrs and that there's time off for good behavior. I wonder if these guy's will ever be eligible with their sentences. They might be... when they're 99. Maybe the one guy who got a lesser sentence... 2 life sentences & a 20 yr if I recall correctly, I even think his 20yr was concurrent with the life sentences... He's only 20, he might get out one day.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

this is why pot is dangerous

cause some people obviously think all crime has an innocent side to it if pot can be unjustly persecuted

wtf is wrong with you that you even have to ask that serial arson is unacceptable violent crime

Arson is unacceptable. It's not necessarily a violent crime though. The OP is evidence of that, ten arsons and no injury or death.

It's just a law in Texas that got some politician elected.

yeah genius it shoudl be a fucking slap on the wrist, maybe even let it go med so arsonists who need it can make the fires that let them sleep at night

Or you could give em sentences that reflect victimless serial arson in other non-residence buildings.

when i said something incredibly stupid my father woudl ask if it as dark up there in my ass where i was keeping my head

tell him you're not alone

if your going to be a pro murder rape and pillage i suggest you dont be so coy about it and keep it on the DL

What's victimless, serial arson got to do with murder, rape and pillaging? If you want to be taken seriously, try being less out of context.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

No problem... I'll have to point out that life in texas is a 30 yr sentence from what I could find... of course if your serving 5 consecutively that's 150 yrs with a couple 20 yr sentences thrown in too for the one guy. I read somewhere you're eligible for parole after 25 yrs and that there's time off for good behavior. I wonder if these guy's will ever be eligible with their sentences. They might be... when they're 99. Maybe the one guy who got a lesser sentence... 2 life sentences & a 20 yr if I recall correctly, I even think his 20yr was concurrent with the life sentences... He's only 20, he might get out one day.

I see. I read an earlier post referencing 99 years. I completely overlooked the possibility of parole. That tends to brings things in perspective, even if it's Texas perspective.

 

[catcherintheye]

^^^^^^ yeah that, I hear life and I think of an elderly person diapered up, with alzheimers forgetting where the hell he is and how he got there. Life definately doesnt always mean 50 plus years. It probably seldom does, not much educated on long term outcomes of life sentences and actual time served. Kinda why I asked about this to begin with. peace.

 

[Greensub]

It still seems severe in comparison to the federal sentencing standards... I haven't looked at all the individual states guidelines...but hey, I guess on the other hand you have the choice of which state to burn shit down in.

I bet texas ranks right at the top in severity of punishment for more than a few things.

 

[Weird]

wierd, youre name is very appropriate, If youre gona post, you can prove your point without calling people names and being so aggressive.

yeah i guess i can but to sit here on a site where the only common denominator of criminality is growing pot only to hear people try to nominalize a serious crime like serial arson i speak what on my mind no hold barred

its a site about pot not about lowering the bar in regards to social dynamics

You still havent said a thing or replied to my response about you calling me a supporter of rape and murder not to forget pillaging... lol. Youre watchin way too much pirates of the caribbean brother.. I dont blame you I cant get enough of johnny depp meself.

i did and i also made a handful of comments you avoided like this gem

DOES BEING A GROWER MAKE YOU OK WITH SERIAL ROBBERY AND ARSON ?

because it doesn't for me and like i said if it weren't fro your bias, if this ere 10 grow houses or elementary school i don't think you'd have the same compassionate outcry

Thanks everyone for your opinions, people really opened up on alot of things and the poll as well. Looking good.

this thread did nothing and has nothing to do with cannabis

it has to do with apathy and contempt for some segment of society you find unpleasing

just remember you reap what you so and all things karmic including the energy your thoughts provoke

spend a fraction of the tie discussing shit that is pertinent to the site like the tragedy of locked up growers


it is no coincidence that people ho have sub par capacities at interacting with people around them can so easily drop out, grow pot and cultivate an apathy for the mainstream

and it no surprise after reading shit like this why the mainstream see the typical marination user as dangerous

listen to the shit that spills past your lips

 

[ddrew]

Here's who gets a life sentence for arson

"Joseph Wambaugh. In his latest book, “Fire Lover: A True Story,” Wambaugh profiles John Orr, a walking worst-case scenario for any fire department.

Orr headed a large California arson squad, and had a reputation for uncanny instincts about how an arson fire had started. It turned out that in many cases, it wasn’t instinct at all. It was inside knowledge. Orr had set the fires.

Investigators suspect he may have set as many as 2000 fires, killing four people in the process and earning a life sentence in prison."

2000+ fires and four people dead, that's worthy of a life sentence.


Burning down several houses of "santa on a cross" with nobody being hurt should get you about 5-10.

I wish someone would burn them all down(without hurting anyone)

 

[Weird]

Arson is unacceptable. It's not necessarily a violent crime though. The OP is evidence of that, ten arsons and no injury or death.

It's just a law in Texas that got some politician elected.

the incontrollable potential for injury is maleviolent in nature and has an uncontrollable potential for violence (harm against another)

Or you could give em sentences that reflect victimless serial arson in other non-residence buildings.

so you think that some one who does this 10 times to say a pre school (a non residence) that they would get less time? almost all churches have preschool and other kids activities and gatherings


show me stats, please show me were they slap serial arsonist on the wrist everywhere else but in good ol texas

tell him you're not alone

yeah he has you

What's victimless, serial arson got to do with murder, rape and pillaging? If you want to be taken seriously, try being less out of context.

other than the example of armed robbery which carries a potential for violence bu dont not ensure it being cause for life in prison lets add as long as i'm not the one seriously trying to defend serial arson its ok not to be taken seriously by you, but for your edification

setting fire to the town was common part of the process of pillaging

victimless, how about the people who dedicated their lives and monies to build it, who raised their kids there, who sent them to school there

its one thing to steal cause your hungry

its another to steal for drug habit

its another to steal cause your lazy and greedy

but to destroy the place you rob over and over again

the only way to justify it is to have an EXTREME hate for religion (a simple prejudice) so you can make light of the crime because of a projected hate for the victims

OR you think robbery and arson are not serious crimes and are a basic apathetic fuck BUT most your posts dont reflect that so i guess you like so many other think prejudice is proper in some instances

or please give me some examples of how to rehabilitate serial arsonists

i mean you have a understanding of the pysch profile and rehabilitative needs of serial arsonists over say the segment of African american doing life for crack cocaine in NY or the grower in Oklahoma doing serious time

relativity and context are important factors here

PEOPLE ARE DOING LIFE FOR POT IN TEXAS

but these dudes, they just deserve a break

maybe you guys should simply create a defense fund and try to free em if you think they are being treated so unjustly

 

[SuperConductor]

wtf is wrong with you that you even have to ask that serial arson is unacceptable violent crime

Word.

The fact the guy was a serial offender should be a clue to why the sentence was so harsh - he'd obviously just keep doing it and it's also supposed to be a deterrant to other murderously irresponsible arseholes. People can quite easily die in fires don't you know? This has nothing to do with property or wether anyone was actually hurt.
This thread is lame

 

[mtbazz]

I voted too harsh by mistake...Arons is a VERY serious crime. Send a serial arsonist away and throw away the key as far as I am concerned.

First off, its only a matter of time until someone gets injured or killed by one of the fires caused by these sickos, and secondly the amount of property damage caused by these people is extensive, resulting in lost personal possessions, and increased insurance rates for others.

I think I saw some people saying it wasnt that bad because "they were churches" and "they checked to make sure no one was in there", pretty shocking to hear anyone make any kind of excuse for these kids.

The firefighters who show up to put out the fire could get hurt or killed.

I dont want to give out specifics, but someone recently burned down something near me on purpose. It was an item the community got together to build, was there for all to enjoy, and the property (lets just say it was a park) it was placed on was open to all 24 hours a day. Well, someone set fire to it on purpose and guess what? The community is paying the price. That item is no longer there, and the property is now gated, locked, and off limits thanks to these retards.

 

[Weird]

listen dont get me wrong

they deserve compassion

lots of it

and we were a country of unlimited boundaries, yes get them help and hope

but relative to the current landscape of crime justice and corruption in america there are other people who deserve compassion first

but listen

EVERYONE WHO GROWS

this is the absolute posion of illegality


this is what happens you grow and smoke long enough off the grid and isolated, growing with no support or community.

i did it for close to 2 decades now and got to the same place and it was to my chagrin

once you develop that sacred relationship with your garden its easy to see all of our societies construct faulty, its easy to become the ultimate cynic, its easy to withdraw into yourself and lock yourself away

its very easy to propagate the them vs us in a whole different manner

WHY ?!??!?!?!

cause you get back so much more directly when you deal with your garden

the affairs of man can be very convoluted, so we quickly adapt to the one that gives us the most benefit

but there are layer past this, where our conscience and reason have the chance to develop furthur and experience a greater phenomenon, real healing

for me I have found faith in the cause and effect that is expressed by the collective conscience of humanity

that is regardless of what i put out there in terms humanistic it will return in a humanistic manner later on

i believe human nature is subject to laws like the physical constants of the universe are subject to physical Constants

when you treat the rest of the world like a garden it will yield fruit like a garden, that is what growing and giving back to the world has taught me

it took me into some very dark places, into the depths of my own isolation where the darkest parts came from within, but i found my way out healed and rejuvenated

it didn't happen till i addressed my relationship to the world around me, outside my garden and my own guarded being and it took some effort cause i had found a very comfortable place in my garden

the real moral of this story is this kid should have been burning the "church" and not churches