Bill Zeller, Princeton Grad student who took his own life, powerful suicide letter

[zenoonez]

SOTF we just have to disagree and the root of our disagreement is that you believe in a god that makes this wrong and mine is in the basic self ownership and the right of self determination that results from it. I will leave it at that and those who read can decide where they stand as they should.

Peace
Z

 

[bigbrokush]

People like him commit suicide because of people like you. My

What he said

 

[supermanlives]

I didn't know it was possible to beat the humanity out of a person, you've proved me wrong. Please cut your balls off so you don't reproduce.

too late i have a 19 year old son

 

[supermanlives]

some people are just weak minded. all the bad stuff that happened to me as a kid only made me a stronger adult. ive already been through hell it only gets better.

 

[cashmunny]

The saddest thing to me after reading these threads is how many people are incapable of feeling compassion, as evidenced by responses like "he was weak" etc.

Inability to feel compassion for others is a symptom not being able to feel compassion for yourself. Which means there are a lot of people with an awful lot of work to do before they are capable of being loving human beings.

A hard heart unfortunately is the natural product of child abuse and neglect. One can't be loving unless you experienced love, usually at a very early age. For all those who lacked this in their early lives I grieve. May you find it somewhere and be healed.

 

[SOTF420]

How can anyone show love or compassion to someone who is dead and took the easy way out?


Your posts and a few others make zero sense, because we don't agree with suicide and SELF MURDER of precious life that means we don't have love and care about him?

Because I think that happier and better things were possible for him and you can overcome traumatic things in life without offing yourself and then ceasing to exist?

You lost me there son...

I think your statements are likely describing yourself and others who agree with his actions.

 

[whodair]

sweet tooth

 

[lockehead]

The truth is that we dont know how hard it can get for some people. Zeller was obviously a smart guy, and was making quite a name for himself in his profession. You could say "thats life get over it and move on", but move on to what? Hes probably lost any hope for a good life a long long time ago. He talked about playing with his legos waiting for life to end, so he probably lost that enthusiasm for life as a kid. Thats some tough shit because for me at least, when i was a kid i wanted to do everything i could and experience everything without worrying about a thing. That was taken away from him in exchange for something so horrible and defiling.

Nobody would ever know exactly what someones been through unless youve been through it yourself, then youd have somewhat of a realistic approach. To say "get over it and move on" is just ignorant and self righteous.

 

[supermanlives]

no its reality ^^^^^ those that dwell on the past end up killing themselves. i repeat ,get over it and look foward to a happy future.

 

[SOTF420]

I don't think anyone is underestimating the impact of what he went through, it's terrible and unfortunate but he allowed that to overtake his life and mind. You are in control of your destiny and with courage and will power you can work through literally anything. It is a shame anyone dies so young, but it's even more shameful when someone so young, bright, and with such a bright potential future takes his own life. Without honesty, faith, and some inner strength this is unfortunately what happens to the weak in this world.
I don't agree with the action and if you do you're likely retarded or living in darkness yourself. I will just keep repeating it maybe it will eventually sink in, suicide is not the answer ever.

@ Whodair, yeah nice quote I did not post ya homo lol

 

[FreezerBoy]

I've always thought it was hardwiring.

Some people obviously feel suicide is an option. Others simply can't conceive of such a thought process, let alone the action.

 

[SOTF420]

Wish I had some Sweet Tooth

Where there is a will there is a way!

 

[cashmunny]

How can anyone show love or compassion to someone who is dead and took the easy way out?


Your posts and a few others make zero sense, because we don't agree with suicide and SELF MURDER of precious life that means we don't have love and care about him?

Because I think that happier and better things were possible for him and you can overcome traumatic things in life without offing yourself and then ceasing to exist?

You lost me there son...

I think your statements are likely describing yourself and others who agree with his actions.

I guess I can only say that the ignorant don't know what they don't know, almost by definition. I feel sorry for you, you've got a hard heart and will never know what it is like to be fully human nor even realize what you lack.

 

[SOTF420]

Because I believe in life and happiness over suicide, death and despair? Yeah, okay well try again buddy and stop your ignorance please you are really starting to convince me you are fucking retarded. For the first time ever I am actually ashamed of a few of you for even suggesting this was the right choice and condoning his actions, shame on you if that's the case.

 

[whodair]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/07/bill-zeller-dead-princeto_n_805689.html
In kindergarten I couldn't use the bathroom and I could spend pages talking about the other relationships I've had that were ruined I don't blame anyone in particular, I guess it's just how people are. There's no point in identifying who molested me, but I really did try to deal with this. I've tried to deal with this every day for the last 23 years and I just can't fucking take it anymore.
I often wonder what life must be like for other people. people who can experience sex as an intimate and joyous experience

yummybud ??

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Although I do have compassion for the guy who topped himself.....I can't help thinking of what my behavior might have been if I had to go thru the same ordeal as a child...

....as a child I was physically abused (beaten) at times since capital punishment was all the rage at home and in school....this just made me angry at adults because they were bigger and stronger than me and I couldn't retaliate with sufficient force to give them back what they were giving me....

If I had been sexually abused I dare-say that I would have got mad about it and later on got even by finding the abuser and physically/mentally trying to ruin his life......this vengeance would even up the score and help me to feel better about the crime committed upon me........but even before that I would probably have reported this individual to anyone in authority and tried to have them brought to justice.......why this guy did not report this sexual/physical assault I can't fathom.....since the abuser probably went on and raped other innocents and this could have been avoided....

As for the suicide......if the abused guy could have found some resolve by having the rapist brought to justice and so saving others possibly from a similar plight he might have felt better about himself and could free himself from 'the darkness' and might not have killed himself......so taking the easy way out.....

I would only ever contemplate suicide if I was terminally and irreparably physically sick and was on my way out anyway.....so to be able to go when I chose and with some degree of dignity....

 

[SOTF420]

Great post Gypsy, as usual and a good point you raised at the end that is certainly worth pondering. I agree he should have done something about his situation and for one bring the rapist to justice one way or another would have been a good path towards the road of healing and recovery.

Thanks for the rep btw that was such a massive blast lol

 

[motaco]

It always amazes me its people who have the least understanding about anything that think they have the answers to everything.

Got raped as a child? Never happened to me but let me tell you what you need to do...

"If you ever need to know something just ask an idiot. They know everything." ancient proverb.

None of you including me know what the guy went though so where do you get off judging someone for something you can't even fathom having gone through?

Well while they are still here why don't you call up the VA and do some post traumatic stress therapy with some depressed soldiers? I'll bet you aren't so mouthy with someone who is still here. Maybe you can help explain war trauma as a civilian to a war vet.


Maybe some of you guys with all the answers can help out before its too late. Put your money where your mouth is if you think you know what you are talking about. Its not too late. More die everyday.

http://www.congress.org/news/2009/11/25/rising_military_suicides

 

[gingerale]

Because I believe in life and happiness over suicide, death and despair?

No, it's because you don't have a fucking clue what it's like to be truly unhappy. You don't have a clue what it's like for things to be so shitty in life from a very early age, that you grow up your entire life knowing that shittiness and unhappiness, fear, and distrust is the norm, and to not have the slightest idea of what it's like to be and feel like a normal person. You don't know what it's like to grow up unconsciously feeling overpowering fear, discomfort, and unhappiness in situations that are no big deal to normally adjusted people. You have no clue what it's like to be unable to trust people, to be unable to confide in others, to be unable to seek comfort and understanding, all because one's brain has never had the opportunity to develop a framework for relating to others in those terms. You don't have a goddamn clue, and you refuse to put even the slightest effort into understanding how bad and fucked up someone's life can be, and instead put your energy into calling people "weak" and otherwise running your cock sucker about people and situations you don't have a clue about. This is why everyone in this thread, except for the similarly ignorant, has read your opinion and now thinks you're a piece of shit. You should probably shut up now while there are still people on this site who still have some measure of respect for you.

 

[SOTF420]

Oh really? Well, Mr. know it all about SOTF420, since I have to "qualify" myself to you - I have been in such sorrow and despair and lost everything I ever had before, been homeless, jobless, car-less, no woman, no food, no money...I was at the point of blowing my brains out and the only thing that ever saved me was my faith and my life DID make a miraculous 360 degree turn-around because I held on and stayed strong so don't judge me motherfucker because I am still here and fighting to stay alive and find happiness, that's what I promote not suicide and giving up. Thanks for asking though and my childhood was even worse and we will leave it at that. I am really amazed at your continuing support of suicide, very sad.


Also, I guess you are calling Gypsy ignorant too huh? nice.