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Who is buying US stocks?

ibjamming

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There have been a few threads talking about the economy, asking what the financial future holds, what to do...etc.

This is a link to another site...Zero Hedge...It's about an investment company FINALLY telling the truth on national TV. He says that the markets are done...the only one still investing in bonds and stocks is the federal government. It's worth the watch. I'll c&p some of the words...but you need to watch the video.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/af...trimtabs-still-cant-find-who-doing-all-buying

"A year after Charles Biderman's provocative post first appeared on Zero Hedge, in which he asked just who is doing all the buying of stocks as the money was obviously not coming from retail investors (and came up with one very notable suggestion), today Maria Bartiromo invited the TrimTabs head once again (conveniently on CNBC's lowest rated show, during Christmas Eve...eve, at a time when perhaps 5 people would be watching) in an interview which disclosed that after more than a year of searching, Biderman still has no idea who is actually buying. In response to Bartiromo's question if the retail investor, who left after the flash crash (thank you SEC), Biderman responds what every Zero Hedger has known for 33 weeks: "Retail investors are not coming back to the US. Those investors that are investing are buying global equities and are buying commodities. We are seeing lots money going into commodity ETF funds: gold, silver..." and the even more unpleasant summation: "individuals have been selling, companies are net selling, insider selling and new offerings are swamping any buyback and any cash M&A activity since QE 2 was announced. Pension funds and hedge funds don't really have that much cash to invest. So what nobody's asking is what happens when QE 2 stops: if the only buyer is the Fed, and the Fed stops buying, I don't know what is going to happen...When I was on your show a year ago I was saying the same thing: we can't figure out who is doing the buying it has to be the government, and people said I was nuts. Now the government is admitting it is rigging the market." Cue Bartiromo jaw dropping.

As for the simple math of where the money is actually going:

"Money flows come out of income, take home pay of everybody plus money that came from real estate is down about $1 trillion a year. It peaked in the 3rd quarter of 2008, at $7 trillion, that's take home pay for everybody who pays taxes plus the money that came from real estate. It has now bottomed at $5.9 trillion. We are still down $1.1 trillion in money that people have to spend each year, that's 16%. And some of the money that is leaving equity markets we think is going to pay bills."

Much more CNBC non-grata truthiness in the full clip, in which Biderman suggest what Zero Hedge readers realized over a month ago, that in June QE3 will likely have at least a partial municipal bond focus. "
 

SpasticGramps

Don't Drone Me, Bro!
ICMag Donor
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Q: Who is buying stocks?

A: The FED and HTF Traders frontrunning the FED.

Q: Who is buying bonds?

A: Only the FED in the US. Only the ECB in Europe.

The FED will have to start buying muni's. They are all bankrupt. Just like Greece.

Hyperinflation here we come. :shucks:
HelicopterBenSmall.jpg
 

Greensub

Active member
I believe the phrase is secular bear market, overall trend downward in the long run, but with interspersed rallies. You can make money in any market if you're smart.

If you think we're gonna crash go short, it's dangerous, but if you're right it'll pay off. Off course you need to not just be right, but right at the right time.
 

David762

Member
Nice post, and timely.

Nice post, and timely.

There have been a few threads talking about the economy, asking what the financial future holds, what to do...etc.

This is a link to another site...Zero Hedge...It's about an investment company FINALLY telling the truth on national TV. He says that the markets are done...the only one still investing in bonds and stocks is the federal government. It's worth the watch. I'll c&p some of the words...but you need to watch the video.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/af...trimtabs-still-cant-find-who-doing-all-buying

"A year after Charles Biderman's provocative post first appeared on Zero Hedge, in which he asked just who is doing all the buying of stocks as the money was obviously not coming from retail investors (and came up with one very notable suggestion), today Maria Bartiromo invited the TrimTabs head once again (conveniently on CNBC's lowest rated show, during Christmas Eve...eve, at a time when perhaps 5 people would be watching) in an interview which disclosed that after more than a year of searching, Biderman still has no idea who is actually buying. In response to Bartiromo's question if the retail investor, who left after the flash crash (thank you SEC), Biderman responds what every Zero Hedger has known for 33 weeks: "Retail investors are not coming back to the US. Those investors that are investing are buying global equities and are buying commodities. We are seeing lots money going into commodity ETF funds: gold, silver..." and the even more unpleasant summation: "individuals have been selling, companies are net selling, insider selling and new offerings are swamping any buyback and any cash M&A activity since QE 2 was announced. Pension funds and hedge funds don't really have that much cash to invest. So what nobody's asking is what happens when QE 2 stops: if the only buyer is the Fed, and the Fed stops buying, I don't know what is going to happen...When I was on your show a year ago I was saying the same thing: we can't figure out who is doing the buying it has to be the government, and people said I was nuts. Now the government is admitting it is rigging the market." Cue Bartiromo jaw dropping.

As for the simple math of where the money is actually going:

"Money flows come out of income, take home pay of everybody plus money that came from real estate is down about $1 trillion a year. It peaked in the 3rd quarter of 2008, at $7 trillion, that's take home pay for everybody who pays taxes plus the money that came from real estate. It has now bottomed at $5.9 trillion. We are still down $1.1 trillion in money that people have to spend each year, that's 16%. And some of the money that is leaving equity markets we think is going to pay bills."

Much more CNBC non-grata truthiness in the full clip, in which Biderman suggest what Zero Hedge readers realized over a month ago, that in June QE3 will likely have at least a partial municipal bond focus. "

If I knew back when I started working several | many decades ago, I would have never invested in the stock market whatsoever. I would have purchased precious metals in the form of ingots and coins, held in my hands and not some brokerage. IMHO, today's market for precious metals has been corrupted by the same mentality (and people) that have pulled down the stock & bond markets -- the speculators.

Today, if you buy a gold or silver coin you will pay a premium over what it's actual value is, and then if you find the need to sell a few, expect no one to pay you anything near the actual value -- the difference in terms of real dollar valuation would make you gnash your teeth.

We are so close to an economic collapse that investing in precious metals no longer makes much sense to anyone except the truly wealthy. You'd be better off investing in rural property, firearms & ammo, food & non-hybrid seed, and renewable power. But that's only my opinion. YMMV.
 

SpasticGramps

Don't Drone Me, Bro!
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I'd love to go short, but the stock market isn't going down for a while. As long as the FED funnel money into it will go up. The breaking point to go short will be too hard to determine IMO.

Like today for example. Housing double dip was confirmed. Consumer confidence dropped hard. Allstate sues BofA for massive fraudulent activity. Stocks up.

The market has decoupled from fundamentals.
 

Snagglepuss

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My pops is one that i know,he got into apple @ 90 at the advice of a broker..Now he's shitting in tall cotton...
 

Greensub

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I'd love to go short, but the stock market isn't going down for a while. As long as the FED funnel money into it will go up. The breaking point to go short will be too hard to determine IMO.

Like today for example. Housing double dip was confirmed. Consumer confidence dropped hard. Allstate sues BofA for massive fraudulent activity. Stocks up.

The market has decoupled from fundamentals.

Yep!!! That's why I said you have to be not just right, but right at the right time... the market's going to do what it's going to do no matter what we think.
 

ibjamming

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Veteran
I'd love to go short, but the stock market isn't going down for a while. As long as the FED funnel money into it will go up. The breaking point to go short will be too hard to determine IMO.

Like today for example. Housing double dip was confirmed. Consumer confidence dropped hard. Allstate sues BofA for massive fraudulent activity. Stocks up.

The market has decoupled from fundamentals.

My pops is one that i know,he got into apple @ 90 at the advice of a broker..Now he's shitting in tall cotton...

The thing is...when/if it crashes hard...what good will shorts be? If it crashes hard, nothing will have value that you can't eat or drink.

I'm getting out completely for now...as my tight stops kick off, I'm hanging tight. Just playing with some light day trading.

Anyone take my advise Monday about AGQ? It went up almost $10 yesterday. There IS money to be made in the dips and then selling.
 

zenoonez

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Day trading is the ONLY way to be in this market period. The volatility of the market is a playground for day traders but anyone else should stick to something less risky.
 
Don't fight the Fed. Obama will do whatever he can to prop up this market going into the 2012 election. After he wins... or loses, watch out.
 

ibjamming

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Don't fight the Fed. Obama will do whatever he can to prop up this market going into the 2012 election. After he wins... or loses, watch out.

That's just it though...this is it...there's nothing left. They brought rates to 0 and are injecting almost $10 billion a day...and it's pretty much going sideways!

Money IS being spent...but it borrowed from the taxpayers. You can't keep spending borrowed money...can you? You can until your creditors need more than the minimum payment. We're PRINTING the "minimum payment" because we're not "earning" any money. The economy has stopped...slowed too much to pay the debt. The debt is paid through economic expansion, monetizing. A growing population with a growing economy, makes more and more money, making the money paying the debt almost free. Add to that the money CREATED by the pumping of oil and gas. Every barrel that comes out CREATES $91 instantly. Money may not grow on trees...but it DOES come out of holes in the ground. Oil is saving our fucking ASS!!! Oil going UP in price is even better...it dilutes the money even more...the money stays out there yet the oil is consumed. World economics is more a shell game, a 3 card monty...than a science.
 

Madrus Rose

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seems like a bear economy but the market has actually roared back to all time highs again from the fall...

if u check out this monthly chart on the $COMPX , can see very
clearly this is not the time to be jumping in for its completely gone
back into nose-bleed territory .

$COMPX monthly chart (Nasdaq)
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$COMPQ&p=W&b=5&g=0&id=p29978363732

* Where u see it at its lowest exhaustion points there's the classic
bottoming out "W" formation & then the rise back up to
far overbought conditions in the present .

People made fortunes buying that W bottom when everyone was paniced
& selling out in the last 2yrs ... this is not the time to be buying a
very overbought market , thats for sure . Or pick stocks well...

sc
 

Scout

Member
Whats the plan, Stan?

Whats the plan, Stan?

I am a financial simpleton guided by intuition more than anything; never invested in anything and always felt the stock market was/is ultimately a rigged fraud; sort of of the belief that wisdom is better than silver or gold. although, I do frequent the ZH echo chamber because there is a lot of wisdom to be mined there. Interesting that savings rate declined throughout 90s as the investing sharks' marketing gurus pushed the pension 401k, etc. angle roping in unsuspecting fools with their money. Yes there is money to be made, but to each their own/different strokes for different folks. The last thing I want to be doing is staring hours at a computer screen playing the money game, but kudos to all of you that can play it wisely.

Ok, so at some point reality will once again meet the pavement right? This shit cannot not go on like Japan has for the past 20 years, or can it? I mean the shit is much deeper with u.s./uk/euro and sustaining this amount of shit without the majority of folks smelling all the shit is just not possible, right?? WTF.......

Anyhoo, so what is the plan? Is there a plan? The parallels between our present and that of the 1920s and 1930s are eerily similar right? Stock market peak, then a mini-crash then a rise up but not to the pre-crash peak and then the bottom drops out and down it goes until deflation plays itself out. So what if a similar scenario plays out in the coming years....Obama administration plays its role as the Hoover admin. effectively tarnishing the democrat brand for years to come opening the door for the anti-new deal party-du-jour to implement a ruthless, retarded form of social neo-darwinism. I do not want or mean to take this political, just trying to see reality through the zero visibility fog of shit. I do not have allegiance to any form of labels/brands. I do not believe any nation or city-state is conducive to a higher form of collective human evolution(yes, still trying to maintain some idealism despite our cultural march towards global idiocracy). I was highly skeptical of friends and family who were high on hopium shortly after the 08 election, and once again time has proven that intuition right. So just a BIG WTF. I do not want intuition to prove me right again this time around but am sensing a cliff ahead when animal spirits are predicted to drop in the 2013 time frame......
 
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