i hate on AN but not on Biksa that boys just getting his money. hes smart and his articles are actually helpful. the only thing worth opening the cover of rosebud for other than the bitches
funkymonkey
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I'll have to see if I can find some phosphoric cheaper somewhere else. I've never seen phosphoric or sulphuric for sale that I recall.
On the amino chelation thing, I keep reading that the latest greatest nutes like Conni and DM Gold and Metrop are amino chelated so I figured as I have a load of aminos, could I make some amino chelated nutes as I also have a ton of other ingredients at hand and already mixed a few formulas with success. Do you have any suggestions for what elements are worth amino chelating? I'm sure I can buy Glycine and other single aminos in powdered form pretty cheap. Would it be possible or worthwhile to amino chelate the potassium and phosphorous in a PK booster?
On the amino chelation thing, I keep reading that the latest greatest nutes like Conni and DM Gold and Metrop are amino chelated so I figured as I have a load of aminos, could I make some amino chelated nutes as I also have a ton of other ingredients at hand and already mixed a few formulas with success. Do you have any suggestions for what elements are worth amino chelating? I'm sure I can buy Glycine and other single aminos in powdered form pretty cheap. Would it be possible or worthwhile to amino chelate the potassium and phosphorous in a PK booster?
funkymonkey
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I've had mixed results from DM. I love their MAX Bloom booster, it's supposed to be humic/fulvic I think, it has an NPK of 0.112-2-3 and has 'phospholipid technology'. Well, phospholipids are extracted from soy, you can but Lecithin granules that are something like 97% phospholipids. Whatever is in it, it works well, I got a bottle for 4 ukp on sale and then grabbed five more at that price. It's been discontinued and replaced by add.27. The DM ONE Grow and Bloom one part nutes sucked in coco, plants had all kinds of deficiencies inc quite severe mag def, I added epsom salts and that didn't sure the mag def, just eased it. Switched to Ionic Coco Grow one part and overnight the plants recovered. I am still using DM Silica because i got 4 bottles for 4.49 each in a sale, it's just potassium silicate and to me, whatever is the cheapest source of that available at the time will do. I still have DM Penetrator and Folitech Bloom foliar sprays, never used em.
I need to make a trace element mix, I have all the ingredients, just need to know how many grams of each to add to a litre of water. I have made up an A+B set of nutes that have an NPK of 1-1-2, but I haven't added the trace elements yet.
Can you tell me how to make up an amino chelated trace element mix? I could then make two trace mixes, one amino chelated, one not, and do a side-by-side trial grow.
I need to make a trace element mix, I have all the ingredients, just need to know how many grams of each to add to a litre of water. I have made up an A+B set of nutes that have an NPK of 1-1-2, but I haven't added the trace elements yet.
Can you tell me how to make up an amino chelated trace element mix? I could then make two trace mixes, one amino chelated, one not, and do a side-by-side trial grow.
funkymonkey
Member
This is what I've made, forget where I got the recipe now, did some fiddling in hydrobuddy to get the precise weights to make up two 1 litre stock solutions:
Bloom Formula (1 litre, 100:1 concentration, add at 10ml/l)
This formula closely equates to a ppm N
:K:Mg ratio of 100:100:200:60
Part A
Potassium Nitrate KNO3 = 19.2 g
Calcium Nitrate Ca(NO3) = 50.6 g
Part B
Magnesium Sulphate MgSO4.7H2O = 60.9 g
Mono Potassium Phosphate KH2PO4 = 17.6 g
I've made those two A+B solutions up, just wanted to try making my own nute mix out of curiosity and to give me the option to tweak the formula to suit individual cuttings as I have some sats that are pretty tricky to grow.
I need to make a trace element mix to finish off the nutes but after you gave me that PK booster recipe it occurred to me you might have some much better recipes than the basic one I used that only has four salts in it.
If you have a better recipe, I'd love to hear it, basically, I'm all ears to hear whatever advice you have on formulating a good coco nute. I'd quite like to make up three different sets of nutes - one for the first stage of 12/12 with plenty of N for when the plants are growing tall fast, one for the middle stage of 12/12 and one for the final stage of 12/12 to promote ripening and the maximum essential oil production rather than use a base bloom nute and PK booster to get different NPK ratios in the three phases.
Bloom Formula (1 litre, 100:1 concentration, add at 10ml/l)
This formula closely equates to a ppm N
:K:Mg ratio of 100:100:200:60Part A
Potassium Nitrate KNO3 = 19.2 g
Calcium Nitrate Ca(NO3) = 50.6 g
Part B
Magnesium Sulphate MgSO4.7H2O = 60.9 g
Mono Potassium Phosphate KH2PO4 = 17.6 g
I've made those two A+B solutions up, just wanted to try making my own nute mix out of curiosity and to give me the option to tweak the formula to suit individual cuttings as I have some sats that are pretty tricky to grow.
I need to make a trace element mix to finish off the nutes but after you gave me that PK booster recipe it occurred to me you might have some much better recipes than the basic one I used that only has four salts in it.
If you have a better recipe, I'd love to hear it, basically, I'm all ears to hear whatever advice you have on formulating a good coco nute. I'd quite like to make up three different sets of nutes - one for the first stage of 12/12 with plenty of N for when the plants are growing tall fast, one for the middle stage of 12/12 and one for the final stage of 12/12 to promote ripening and the maximum essential oil production rather than use a base bloom nute and PK booster to get different NPK ratios in the three phases.
funkymonkey
Member
The DIY Hammerhead replacement I already use has a similar formulation:
Mono Potassium Phosphate 100g
Potassium Sulphate 85g
I just dumped those two salts in a litre bottle and topped up with distield water then shook it till all the potash dissolved, took about 15 mins, it's stayed in solution ever since and I made it about a month ago, been using it and it seems to work identically to the Hammerhead I was using before.
According to Hydrobuddy that should be 0-10-20 which is just a tad stronger than Hammerhead at 0-9-18. On the 4 year old bottle of Hammerhead with the original 0-9-18 formula it doesn't mention Magnesium Sulphate on the ingredients, just the potassium sulphate and mono potassium phosphate.
Mono Potassium Phosphate 100g
Potassium Sulphate 85g
I just dumped those two salts in a litre bottle and topped up with distield water then shook it till all the potash dissolved, took about 15 mins, it's stayed in solution ever since and I made it about a month ago, been using it and it seems to work identically to the Hammerhead I was using before.
According to Hydrobuddy that should be 0-10-20 which is just a tad stronger than Hammerhead at 0-9-18. On the 4 year old bottle of Hammerhead with the original 0-9-18 formula it doesn't mention Magnesium Sulphate on the ingredients, just the potassium sulphate and mono potassium phosphate.
funkymonkey
Member
I'm sure you're correct. I add Magnesium Sulphate to my nute mixes anyways so I'm not missing it out really. WIsh they would be more honest in their labelling.
In Hydrobuddy it's possible to add your own salts with a nutrient content of your choice. I never had to change the purity either, but AFAIK this option was a user request. The software has some bugs and has a unique way to deal with things like saving, etc but it's stil the best software I could find so far.
If anyone knows a better one for free please let me know.
If anyone knows a better one for free please let me know.
this thread is turning into a chemistry/biology class........... ugh
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Yes, it is.this thread is turning into a chemistry/biology class........... ugh
I don't want to have to go back and delete post that are not on topic and then be accused of censoring information so let's keep this thread on track
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YosemiteSam
without the chemistry...which makes it obvious what is actually going on...all you have is opinion and everyone is entitled to their own. i fail to see how this thread could be helpful at all without facts...and facts about nutes is chemistry, like it or not.
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Just keep thing relative to the topic.
Showing how full of shit AN is, by way of pointing out the Chemistry, is one thing. Posting recipes for how to make your own is better suited to it's own thread.
Showing how full of shit AN is, by way of pointing out the Chemistry, is one thing. Posting recipes for how to make your own is better suited to it's own thread.
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Guest 18340
All they gotta do is read that ridiculous magazine Rosebud to know AN is full of shit
LOL Advanced Nutrients are guru's in MARKETING not CHEMISTRY. Sure you can use there over-priced products and grow great flowers but when it comes down to it, the end product is about the artist and not the paint-brush. I've seen people kill it with almost every nutrient line out there. Advanced Nutrients have some of the most controversial ingredients on the market, and you can taste it when you smoke cannabis grown with it. If I grew in Hydro I would just as well use Holland's Secret or Cutting Edge LOL.
funkymonkey
Member
This type of discussion is surely relevant to an AN thread? It doesn't take more than a page or two of posts to establish a concensus in these threads - that AN is overpriced rip-off dilute junk, to move on from that point, what are we to do other than discuss alternatives? Because the other companies similarly overprice and overdilute, then the alternatives are homemade so it leads logically to where we are now in the discussion, right?
I'll start a thread on DIY nutes to keep people happy.
I'll start a thread on DIY nutes to keep people happy.
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funkymonkey
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finally........ chemistry class is over 
funkymonkey
Member
What would you prefer, the usual pointless bitching about AN?
If you don't like it, don't read it!
If you don't like it, don't read it!
