Tracking seed orders on the web. Security hole? Fuckin-A right it is.
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So im confused I installed Tor button and https everywhere yesterday after reading a similar thread on here Now im reading that dosnt do anything? Should i just go back to google crome? Im a spinal cord patient who uses cannibis for med reasons But i dont live in a legal state. I only grow for myself. I dont think they are worried about little ole me.
Well Bulldog it really isn't as difficult as it seems.
Look at it like an electrical circuit: power in (your PC)-------> power out (USPS)...
okay now add a couple of relays in the circuit. Power in--->(Tor) relay--->(Tor) relay 2---> (Tor) relay 3--->power out.
Power in---encrypted data--->(Tor) relay---data encryption--->(Tor) relay 2---encrypted data---> (Tor) relay 3---UNencrypted data--->power out.
The data is encrypted by your PC and remains encrypted while it remains on the Tor network but is decrypted as it leaves the Tor network. All the Gov. needs to do is watch the data as it enters the USPS network and they can decrypt and trace everything else.
Tor helps to reduce the risks of both simple and sophisticated traffic analysis by distributing your transactions over several places on the Internet, so no single point can link you to your destination. The idea is similar to using a twisty, hard-to-follow route in order to throw off somebody who is tailing you — and then periodically erasing your footprints. Instead of taking a direct route from source to destination, data packets on the Tor network take a random pathway through several relays that cover your tracks so no observer at any single point can tell where the data came from or where it's going.
To create a private network pathway with Tor, the user's software or client incrementally builds a circuit of encrypted connections through relays on the network. The circuit is extended one hop at a time, and each relay along the way knows only which relay gave it data and which relay it is giving data to. No individual relay ever knows the complete path that a data packet has taken. The client negotiates a separate set of encryption keys for each hop along the circuit to ensure that each hop can't trace these connections as they pass through. The problem is that LEO DOES NOT have to trace the hops, they already know where the destination is AND they know which package is being tracked also.
All this smoke and mirrors and dancing and hopping around still doesn't prevent your data (YOUR IP and MAC address) from being traced since it is unencrypted once it leaves the Tor network.
Look at it like an electrical circuit: power in (your PC)-------> power out (USPS)...
okay now add a couple of relays in the circuit. Power in--->(Tor) relay--->(Tor) relay 2---> (Tor) relay 3--->power out.
Power in---encrypted data--->(Tor) relay---data encryption--->(Tor) relay 2---encrypted data---> (Tor) relay 3---UNencrypted data--->power out.
The data is encrypted by your PC and remains encrypted while it remains on the Tor network but is decrypted as it leaves the Tor network. All the Gov. needs to do is watch the data as it enters the USPS network and they can decrypt and trace everything else.
Tor helps to reduce the risks of both simple and sophisticated traffic analysis by distributing your transactions over several places on the Internet, so no single point can link you to your destination. The idea is similar to using a twisty, hard-to-follow route in order to throw off somebody who is tailing you — and then periodically erasing your footprints. Instead of taking a direct route from source to destination, data packets on the Tor network take a random pathway through several relays that cover your tracks so no observer at any single point can tell where the data came from or where it's going.
To create a private network pathway with Tor, the user's software or client incrementally builds a circuit of encrypted connections through relays on the network. The circuit is extended one hop at a time, and each relay along the way knows only which relay gave it data and which relay it is giving data to. No individual relay ever knows the complete path that a data packet has taken. The client negotiates a separate set of encryption keys for each hop along the circuit to ensure that each hop can't trace these connections as they pass through. The problem is that LEO DOES NOT have to trace the hops, they already know where the destination is AND they know which package is being tracked also.
All this smoke and mirrors and dancing and hopping around still doesn't prevent your data (YOUR IP and MAC address) from being traced since it is unencrypted once it leaves the Tor network.
I think an even bigger security risk is downloading various files posted by ANY other members on a Cannabis forum. Seems like a good way to download something else along with it but hey call me paranoid. 
Answer is, don't order from places with tracking numbers I mean really why risk it.
I would not go sending anyone any emails either on here, in general.
Answer is, don't order from places with tracking numbers I mean really why risk it.
I would not go sending anyone any emails either on here, in general.
Don't take my posts wrong guys. Tor is better than nothing for the average internet user. But sorely lacking if you want to cover your tracks from the USPS or any other government agency.
Dojo
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Problem sovled right? Shop only with Gypsy
But really i understand all the need for security but to a rookie like myself all this tech talk is alien....could it be as simple as downloading firefox and another program from a TRUSTED source...if so let me know the dumb version...and please if you post a link can you get it approved by a mod...you guys got me noid with this shit now
ok, seems to be a lot of conjecture going on in here regarding seed orders and tracking #'s from non-domestic sources...
this has not been pointed on in the thread so possibly it's unknown to quite a few on here...
im gonna shout it for effect:
EVEN IF YOU PAY FOR TRACKING SERVICES, ALL TRACKING ENDS AT INTERNATIONAL BORDER.
meaning, if you ship a payment from USA to UK... once the package is handed over to royal mail.... THATS IT. u will have no further confirmation other than that.
vice-versa, ANYTHING coming from another country.... the tracking on this shipment ONLY allows u to verify that they even sent anything (could b empty envelope even lmao, just saying thats all it VERIFIES) and this tracking will also end upon the parcel being turned over to usps.
now carry on ur techie proxy banter...
this has not been pointed on in the thread so possibly it's unknown to quite a few on here...
im gonna shout it for effect:
EVEN IF YOU PAY FOR TRACKING SERVICES, ALL TRACKING ENDS AT INTERNATIONAL BORDER.
meaning, if you ship a payment from USA to UK... once the package is handed over to royal mail.... THATS IT. u will have no further confirmation other than that.
vice-versa, ANYTHING coming from another country.... the tracking on this shipment ONLY allows u to verify that they even sent anything (could b empty envelope even lmao, just saying thats all it VERIFIES) and this tracking will also end upon the parcel being turned over to usps.
now carry on ur techie proxy banter...
Not true...I ship to my sister in China and have full tracking from Canada to China.
One of these directional "Yagi antennas" attached to the back of a wifi repeater...
One of these directional "Yagi antennas" attached to the back of a wifi repeater...
can provide numerous connection opportunities to discretely check upon traceable communications by using a remotely accessed Internet Service Provider signal that is commonly available through a broadcasting, no password required type of "open to all" router/repeater.
I can receive line of sight wifi signals from a couple of miles away with my Yagi.
2.4GHz 16dBi Directional High Gain 16-Unit Antenna for Wifi/Wireless Network
(with a "RP-SMA" connector.)
These are currently available from "DealExtreme" for (US) fifteen dollars and eighty cents delivered from Hong Kong...
"Newegg" has "wifi repeaters" starting about 25-30 dollars delivered.
Wardriving in a car for an open wifi signal across town with an open laptop searching is another classic ol' standby anonymity technique.
Good Information, thanks for sharing y'all.
IMB
One of these directional "Yagi antennas" attached to the back of a wifi repeater...
can provide numerous connection opportunities to discretely check upon traceable communications by using a remotely accessed Internet Service Provider signal that is commonly available through a broadcasting, no password required type of "open to all" router/repeater.
I can receive line of sight wifi signals from a couple of miles away with my Yagi.
2.4GHz 16dBi Directional High Gain 16-Unit Antenna for Wifi/Wireless Network
(with a "RP-SMA" connector.)
These are currently available from "DealExtreme" for (US) fifteen dollars and eighty cents delivered from Hong Kong...
"Newegg" has "wifi repeaters" starting about 25-30 dollars delivered.
Wardriving in a car for an open wifi signal across town with an open laptop searching is another classic ol' standby anonymity technique.
Good Information, thanks for sharing y'all.
IMB
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can provide numerous wide open connection opportunities to remotely check traceable communications.
I can receive line of sight wifi signals from a couple of miles away.
2.4GHz 16dBi Directional High Gain 16-Unit Antenna for Wifi/Wireless Network (with a "RP-SMA" connector.)
These are currently available from "DealExtreme"dotcom for (US) fifteen dollars and eighty cents delivered from Hong Kong...
Neweggdot has wifi repeaters starting about 25-30 dollars delivered.
Wardriving in a car for an open wifi signal across town with an open laptop searching is another classic ol' standby anonymity technique.
With remotely accessed Internet Service Provider signals through an open access router a
Good Information, thanks for sharing y'all.
IMB
Close to my setup. Except that I am also using 4 Linksys routers that I hacked with ddwrt and converted into relays, each with directional antenna and doing basically the same thing that Tor does in relaying and encrypting. But once 1 relay it detected it is simply a matter of wardriving to locate the others.
Chief Rbud
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not to mention that the original creators of TOR were law enforcement that wanted to illegally dig into peoples privacy and didn't want to be traced doing it. most TOR nodes are LEO computers. for that reason alone i wouldn't use it. its so easy to configure firefox to use an elite proxy and have ALL of your connections to the internet encrypted it isn't even funny. spend 10 minutes on firefox's home page and figure it out. and if your super paranoid, you can get a program that changes your mac address just in case you don't trust your elite proxy, a bit unnecessary, but if it makes you feel better, than its worth it. there are also web sites that you can go to to check your proxy to see what info it is giving about you. install "noscript" onto firefox and you have even more protection for all the script programs that stealthily reveal your ip and whatnot even when using a proxie.
Uuuuuh just order from someone elses comp? That's what I do,I have prolly 3 laptops I baught off of people that baught em brand. New and are still regestered in their info and they have no clue who I am either so thay can't point me out later.
People are always slangin computers for cheap these days. Shit And with wifi everywhere you don't even need internet of your own these days either.
People are always slangin computers for cheap these days. Shit And with wifi everywhere you don't even need internet of your own these days either.
What!! Now im less safe with tor and am using leo computers. fck this!! im going back to chrome and not worrying about it.
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Rysam
What about just going down to Starbucks, getting some coffee, having a seat in them comfy chairs and ordering some seeds? Theres always a private seat. Use a hotmail acct., and the Visa gift card from a store at the other end of the mall?
Can they trace from a laptop that way? Im with bulldog and know squat about this, but Im trying to understand. I dont order seeds but I do like the idea of security.
Can they trace from a laptop that way? Im with bulldog and know squat about this, but Im trying to understand. I dont order seeds but I do like the idea of security.
I will not warn anyone again. Keep your offline activities that require personal info to be exchanged off the site. Don't push it. Thank you.
Exactly what I have been saying about elite proxies. Tor and most other internet and boxed "security software/sites" are little more than hoaxes.
Oh some actually do what they say that they will do. But the problem is that under close scrutiny, what they say they will do for you is NOTHING.
Well now when you put it like that. Ummm Chrome is basically Google. Google tracks EVERYTHING. Here are a couple articles:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/google-is-top-tracker-of-surfers-in-study/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7872026.stm
