original sour diesel vs ecsd?

[haze1er]

just wondering if anyone knows what is the difference between these two?

i smoked sour diesel over on the east coast many times and its great. high last for about 2.5 hours, smell super strong and taste was just great.

since learning about the original sour diesel im left puzzled as to which sour diesel was it i was smoking while on the east coast.

also, i happen to score one of rez sour diesel ibl and was wondering which sour diesel is his version base on.

 

[Iron_Lion]

• 'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
• Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdawg x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=60048&highlight=chemdawg+101

 

[DrLongbottom]

ECSD and what you call original sour diesel are the same plant. The name ECSD was given to the plant that previously was called sour diesel. The reason for the rename was to help alleviate some of the confusion that had been going on about the original cut and the herd of S1's and eventually seed release "sour diesel". Even this did not help of course for now there are just as many fake ECSD cuts goin around as there were sour diesels back then. DLB

 

[DainBramage]

also Soma's N.Y.S.D. is not the from the 91 Chemdawg cross.

 

[dubdi3mond]

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[haze1er]

yeah i know about soma's nycd, i brought up sour diesel because it seems to be popping up all over the places and a lot of breeders are now releasing their own versions.

my confusion spawn from reading the genetics for the cali connections sour diesel which states that the sour diesel they used is the original sour diesel which they then again state that its the "precursor" to the ecsd.

so if both are the same why do so many breeders use the term "original sour diesel" or "ecsd" why not just call it sour diesel?

anyway thanks for the input thus far. anyone else with info please feel free to chip in.

 

[CalcioErba2004]

ECSD is the original. There are no precursors to ECSD. Cali Connect is full of it...

Yes there are several versions of Sour Diesel because people pop beans and get their own phenos or work on those phenos. The only person I know that sells Sour D beans is Rez, who else sells a Sour D? Soma has NYCD, yes its half sour D, but I dont consider it Sour Diesel, its NYCD.

 

[Iron_Lion]

, who else sells a Sour D? Soma has NYCD, yes its half sour D, but I dont consider it Sour Diesel, its NYCD.

Hmmm where to start LOL

Dr. greenthumb = S1 of original clone
DNA = Bx of sour d clone x sourd/g13haze
Cali Conn = Bx Original Clone x Sour OG
Zen Seeds Dansk Diesel = SD IBL x SD IBL
Reeferman = Bx Sour D clone x REZ SSSDH
Rez = Highly worked line, Sour D Clone x NYCD
Motarebel Sour Turbo = 2 early versions of Rez SD line

Many have Sour D seeds now, although I to Rez, he has the most worked and refined line of Sour D, he has spent more time on it than anyone and is probly the best bet aside from Dr.G's S1.

 

[CalcioErba2004]

Thanks Iron Lion, I never really looked for other seeds other than Rez's line and even then I haven't had the best of luck with them. I got ESCD, finally, going to run her in about a month.

 

[cr0n]

• 'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
• Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdawg x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=60048&highlight=chemdawg+101

From what I understand Cali Connect has renamed Original Diesel to Original Sour Diesel. I think only to try and screw Rez as much as he can. They do not get along, but who gets along with Swer-ve. He still owes a lot of peeps beans from his autoflowering issues.

 

[haze1er]

yeah i remember being out in nyc and it was diesel and sour diesel. the sour diesel was always easy spot.

just like many others here, im just trying to get my genetics right. with the prices we pay for seeds gotta make they are what they say they are.

 

[vta]

 

[Madrus Rose]

Nice pic VTA ...One history lesson & whole lotta lore...originally posted back in 2005
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=248877&highlight=NYCD+soma+chemdog#post248877

and a year later by Rez in 2006
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=721284&highlight=NYCD+soma+chemdog#post721284

* One thing for certain , not all things called "diesel"
are created equal and if you have the real "her" i'm told by most that have her
u keep her ...period.

Originally Posted by JJ-NYC
Let me give everyone a history lession about the Diesel. The Chem Dawg
was a unknown indica strain(Kush,HP,or NL?) old school, from
Colorodo. (Does anyone know what strain or its orgin?)This is the
orginal NYC DIESEL. Two friends met on Dead tour. A pound of Chem
was mailed to Mass. around 93-94.Seeds were found and started.My
friend met Mass.G. at Phish tour 93-94.Clones of the Chem Dawg and
Super Skunk made their way to NYC. With no male,The Weasel crossed a
Sensi NL male with the Super Skunk. Took a male and crossed it with
the Chem Dawg creating the Underdawg Diesel or (Diesel no.1,Headband
Diesel,or Daywrecker Diesel).Another strain in his room the DNL
(NL/Shiva(RFK)/Hawiian cross) self seeded the Under Dawg a seed was
grown and The Sour Diesel was created, no planned breeding, it just
happened. This is the Diesel gospel. Everything else is BS including
soma (who the fuck is soma?) I challenge anyone who questions this
fact, for I have been involved with the Diesel since it came to NYC.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaDocta
soma got his diesel from a bagseed from a buddy from NYC or at least
thats how soma described it. his diesel could be an s1 of original
diesel, underdawg, sour d, or any other b/c it sounds like all of
them in nyc gets mixed up pretty easily (due to similar heritage)
unless youre really in the loop and have access to all of them and
know heritage. that leaves a range of options for soma's expression
of his bagseed diesel momma. and yes, his nyc diesel is not pure
diesel, his first hybrid that won the awards was that diesel bag
momma cross shanti's afghani/hawaiian male. i believe the current
seeds sold by soma are a first backcross to his diesel mom.
So.....

Original Diesel = (SensiNL X MassSuperSkunk) X Dawg/Chem
Sour Diesel = [(SensiNL X MassSuperSkunk) X Dawg/Chem] X DNL
Soma's NYCD = Diesel Bagseed (probably orig, not sour) X (Afghani X Hawaiian)
DNL = RFK X Hawaiian
RFK = NL X Shiva

The sativa comes from skunk. Two different types Mass. Super Skunk,
which was in the Under Dawg Diesel and RFK skunk which was bred into
the DNL. The newest confirmed breeding. The DNL was a RFK skunk
female/Hawiain male x NL male. The breeding on this strain has been
very unclear over the years . First thought to be a Diesel x NL cross
(thats how it got its name DNL) this plant grows tall and streches
very similar growth to the Sour.

RFK was a skunk strain developed from seeds found in a bag scored at
the 90-91? Dead shows at RFK there were 3 different versions of RFK
Skunk 1,2,3. The strain was given to a friend with some Hawaian
seeds(still investagating source) and he crossed the two. Had a
female and added some NL pollen(investagating source) creating the
DNL, which hermi and seeded the Under Dawg Diesel. I know its
confusing. But I think it should be like this...

Original Diesel = Dawg/Chem X (MassSuperSkunk X SensiNL)
Sour Diesel = Original Diesel X DNL
DNL = (RFK Skunk X Hawaiian) X NL
RFK = Skunk strain from RFK dead Shows 90-91

Some of the breeding was planned and some not. The Sour was not
planned. The RFK's and stuff was around before the Diesel. Once
they got a hold of the Chem they started breeding what they had into
it. The DNL was the orginal cash crop before the Diesel and Sour. But
was phased out after being taken over by the Diesel. Only the orginal
breeder and a few have the strain now. Many different crosses were
made seeds still exsist but are over 10 years old. Once they created
the Diesel they were contempt and stopped breeding.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemdog
This is for rezdog the sour diesel is in fact a total mistake the
chemdog which was started in co from a very old farmer got seeds to a
person in ma not cali which was started then in 91. It was the best
bud i have ever smoked smelled or tasted. By 1993 it was the sickest
shit around. Then the kids met these guys from ny at a phish show and
they were begging the kids for a cutting which at that point was
scarce.The kids were very tight and knew they had something special.
We then became good friends and the kids traded the chem dog for a
super skunk which is better then any skunk i have seen.We made
promises to not give the shit away it was the bomb. Now this is were
we get a little pissed off but are over it by now the nyc guys didnt
like the name chem dog so they had a idea to chang the name to DIESEL.
So the orig Chem dog is Diesel so what happend next explains the
Sour The kids in ma had the best shit around everybody wanted the
Chem dog people were coming up from albany to get the Diesel in bud
form and they found some seeds in one batch. The super skunk that the
kids were growing hermd and hit the chem dog aka diesel and the albany
crew started those seeds and named it sour diesel also the orig
chemdog aka diesl is og kush. its Chem dog also the ma kids are the
only ones who have orig seeds of chem dog aka diesel still from the
early 90s everybody got cuttings the kids still have 6 seeds left.
hope you all find this info helpful i will soon give full details
about the chem dog,sour diesel,diesel,og kush.Its time to settle all
the bullshit that people seem to know peace to all

Guys your all right except the the og kush is a hermi seed from the
chem dog from back in 96 their were only two people in the day to
take the chem dog to the west coast it first hit lake tahoe. My
friends chem dog got stressed and hermi a little so he decide to try
the few seeds and the buddy who gave the chem dog seeds to us said
the old farmer said it hade kush in it so my buddy to this day thinks
its a strain of the orig kush and said if the ny kids can change the
name from chem dog lets call the west coast version OG kUSH that is
the truth. If anybody ever smoked the chem dog back in the day early
90s it taste like the sour but fifty times more The chem dog is the
mom of the sour so basicly the og kush is a newer seed of the orig
chem dog. peace to all. wmposse if any of you have questions let me
know also i wanna talk to this rez dog guy because he claims no one
has seeds of these strains well iam the only one with true males and
females of the Chem dog,Sour diesel,Bubble chem, i have crossed a
male Chem dog Aka Diesel with all of Sensi seeds good females already
back in 96 they have been in storage since then and i know are still
viable because the me kids just started the Super dog which is the
Superskunk crossed with the chemdog and its sick enjoy the info a lot
more to come

Part of what you say is true. But you have some of the facts mixed
up. First of all, I go way back to the begining 92-93. my good friend
from NY, was the one who got the Chem Dawg and Super Skunk first.
And yes the Chem was first called Diesel because people did not like
the name and because it was the "Cock Diesel" But you don't talk
about the next strain created from the Chem Dawg. Also known as
UnderDawg, Daywrecker, Diesel no.1 (Chem Dawg x super skunk/NL) from
this the Sour was born hermied from the DNL(skunk). That is were it
gets its vigorous growth and some of the taste. Any one who has grown
or smoked it would know. And yes the Albany kids were the first to
"find " the Sour, the "bro" and his crew did not invent it. It was
grown out of seeds found in head bags bought in NYC. The upstate kids
were begging for a cutting of either Diesel and wound up with bag
seed to grow. Thats fact.

 

[Madrus Rose]

anyway thanks for the input thus far. anyone else with info please feel free to chip in.

Can't answer your question regarding CaliC's proposed release of his version of the SD & really don't think there was ever even one published beta test of those beans ever thrown up on any board . And there's where u'll find the proof of any offering regardless of the "story" anyone hands u , especially from a guy that can barely spell kings english...but let us know!

Mass SuperSkunk

But here's something of real interest i found .... was a recent great full pic shot of Mass Super Skunk ran across on a "Best Hoarded Strains "thread" , by Weird here
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=3981994#post3981994


Really does look like a real authentic representation of the MSS & being one of the base components of the SD found looking at this plants profile could see easily how this strain lended alot of herself into the cross that ended up being called ecsd or sd. If this in fact is a true representation of the MSS . Sure really seems easy to see that crossed with chemdog (or 91 etc ) they would have made a great combo & led to the cross aka ECSD

MSS below... and some say there were some earlier long ago phenos that
almost could have been called RKS but rare & lost almost today .

 

[buddah]

okay..but is chem background is not clear??? its a unknowen indica...lol

 

[haze1er]

i believe most of us if not all know the chemdog and sour diesel stories floating around. again i started this thread because confusion regarding the naming conventions being use in the market.

now that i spoke my peace, it seems like a good idea to group up any info on these various offerings. believe me i have wasted a lot of money and resources on fake sour diesel offering not knowing any better.

so far this is what i come up with:

next best thing to an actual clone is dr. greenthumb S1 (pending verification, still no idea what cut he has)
so far from what i seen from a grow journal thats in progress it looks real deal.

next is rez offering. no need to say more here just go to the general sour diesel thread on rez's forum.

cali connection offering is still really new, gotta wait on grow/smoke reports.

rp sour diesel offering same as cali connection but i have grown out there sour kush aka headband and must say it is some fire smoke and the sour diesel influence was there for sure. now the only thing left here is to see whether they bread out all the g13haze influence.

i would list others but lets face it folks these three are what everyone is going to be buying.

 

[haze1er]

also thanks for sharing pics vta and madrus rose.

vta that girl sooo meaty i wish when dried/cure that they would stay that size but we cant always have our cake and eat it too lol.

madrus rose that mss is just killer, if nothing else in my goes right in my life, i got to have this strain.

 

[J. Greenstein]

okay..but is chem background is not clear??? its a unknowen indica...lol

The Chem certainly has plenty of Sativa in her...other than that who knows?

 

[REZDOG]

Hiya,ALl.
Lessee....
sw=erve is BANNED at farmer and greenthumb is a banned scammer,too.
To be Crystal Clear: Sour D does NOT S1 well-The progeny,IF and when you can make any STS'd pollen,reverses and is ALL sorts of a fucking mess. greenthumb prolly reversed my Sour D IBL,the cheap fucker. Don't buy those seeds,or any of his-burn your money first. That guy and his BS are legendary-yet still he persists....
Sour D is ONLY valid in natural,M/F form-from Reservoir,PERIOD.
Reservoir Seeds created Sour Diesel in seed form,over several years,with LOTS of hard work. It's the only real representation available today-no others remotely compare.
sw=erve was always a joke,riding my jock and always,cluelessly,well behind Reservoir. He isn't fit to fill my water buckets,let alone sell seeds.
If you want Real Sour D,there will be a release before 4/20,keep an eye on Reservoir's forum.



Cheers!

 

[easyrasta]

lol
u crack me up.