"Marijuana USA" new report on CNN, Wed 12/8

[Greensub]

outdoor, indoor, greenhouse... It doesn't matter. If it's good it's good. If it ain't it ain't.

indoor and greenhouse look better, but that don't mean shit. To this day the best/strongest weed I've ever smoked was some shitty looking local outdoor.

Hard for me to say if outdoor is less dense, most all I see is way Sativa dominant, so less dense by nature. But even if it is, plant a few more plants and enjoy no electric bill. To the consumer density should not matter, your buying buy weight, potency and taste are key.

Don't get me wrong I love indoor growing, and don't grow outdoors. But if prohibition were lifted I would be unplugging the HPS, and moving all production to greenhouses, and Im sure most people would do the same.

Total agreement here... I've been selling my indoor and buying cheap outdoor lately as a matter of fact. (of course I needed the money at the time).

(Sativa all the way for me please)

Just had some shitty grown outdoor ssh and preferred it over the beautiful looking/tasting/smelling indoor blueberry haze that cost me 3X as much... I felt kinda ripped off.

 

[Danks2005]

I'm growing indoors right now too... but in the long run I just can't see it being feasible as a long term business model. Anything you can do to indoors can be done in a climate controlled green house on a larger scale for cheaper. I'd still be supplementing with HID lighting but looking into those higher than 1000W sizes.

Exactly. I would use HID's also, though I don't believe they would need to be used like we use them. They could mounted much higher, and used mainly for ambient light. Since you would be using them to manipulate the lighting schedule as opposed to production. Basically you could put them on a photocell, so they come on at dusk and go off at dawn. Then when your plants are where you want them, as far as size. Turn off the supplemental lighting, the swing to natural sunlight hours will induce flowering.

I believe you can see this utilized in tom hills tree thread. Though not in a greenhouse, and I think they just strung some bare incandescents throughout the garden.

 

[Greensub]

Tell that to wholesale buyers. Who then needs to tell that to a majority of the lightweight consumers.

It won't work.

Glitter, glam, and stink is what's in right now. Lowest common denominator factor also applies here.

Welcome to capitalism.

Totally true.

I'm gonna try to market some really high end rare sativa's at the local collective I'm friends with (I do there SEO and help with the website). I'm gonna have them throw some long flowering sativa's with a good cure on the back shelf for a hefty price and tell them I'll do it on consignment and I don't care how quick it sells. I'll write up some info on it with pics & info. as well as a web spread with links... see how it works. I'm looking to buy some good pure sativa right now and really can't find anything that isn't hybridized to death. You just can't find it in the clubs.

 

[Danks2005]

Tell that to wholesale buyers. Who then needs to tell that to a majority of the lightweight consumers.

It won't work.

Glitter, glam, and stink is what's in right now. Lowest common denominator factor also applies here.

Welcome to capitalism.

I agree with you there, and indoor is what I got for sale. I still think it is due to prohibition driving us growers indoors. Nowadays, the consumers just assume good looking pot is the best pot. It's just what they know.

 

[Danks2005]

outdoor is done here till next year. Funny how we can spend so much time, effort, and money to grow indoors, yet look forward to the outdoor harvest to buy weed. It may depend on location too, a lot of places just cant finish the good shit.

 

[Greensub]

Exactly. I would use HID's also, though I don't believe they would need to be used like we use them. They could mounted much higher, and used mainly for ambient light. Since you would be using them to manipulate the lighting schedule as opposed to production. Basically you could put them on a photocell, so they come on at dusk and go off at dawn. Then when your plants are where you want them, as far as size. Turn off the supplemental lighting, the swing to natural sunlight hours will induce flowering.

I believe you can see this utilized in tom hills tree thread. Though not in a greenhouse, and I think they just strung some bare incandescents throughout the garden.

Cool, yes.

I'd probably hook everything up to multiple variable timers and run two six month flowering periods starting at 13.5/11.5 to start. I would guess if you were running indica's you could do 4-6 runs a year actually. Just flower in that greenhouse, have another smaller one or a veg room separately.

 

[grow nerd]

I'm gonna have them throw some long flowering sativa's with a good cure on the back shelf for a hefty price and tell them I'll do it on consignment and I don't care how quick it sells.

I've thought about things like this briefly in the past... and I think that with the current market, that is the only way to be able to have a chance of selling such a product to a club (open-ended consignment). If it's as good as it should be, you should have repeat customers if not word-of-mouth sales.

But statistically, with long-flowering anything, the risks go up tremendously and the payoff is likely not there to cover those risks and added costs especially considering the special sales conditions and limited market.

As a "commercial" (large-scale) cash cropper, it doesn't make sense. Lowest common denominator is who you're aiming to please.

 

[Danks2005]

Cool, yes.

I'd probably hook everything up to multiple variable timers and run two six month flowering periods starting at 13.5/11.5 to start. I would guess if you were running indica's you could do 4-6 runs a year actually. Just flower in that greenhouse, have another smaller one or a veg room separately.

I like the way you think. My shit would have humidifier and dehumidifier, a/c and heat, as well as Co2, all plc controlled. perfect conditions year round. Still have electric bill, but way smaller. Now I'm dreaming. Damn we need to legalize.

I guess I'd have to experiment with Co2, to make sure money spent is returned, and then some. Active exhaust would be way cheaper when applicable.

 

[Greensub]

I've thought about things like this briefly in the past... and I think that with the current market, that is the only way to be able to have a chance of selling such a product to a club (open-ended consignment). If it's as good as it should be, you should have repeat customers if not word-of-mouth sales.

But statistically, with long-flowering anything, the risks go up tremendously and the payoff is oftentimes not there especially considering the special sales conditions and limited market.

As a "commercial" (large-scale) cash cropper, it doesn't make sense.

I imagine having to distribute to multiple markets (clubs) eventually, as well as slowly grow demand but hell, people buy Luis XIII for $1400 dollars not to mention some of the private label 30-40 year old scotches (and they don't get you drunker)

http://www.google.com/search?client...&spell=1&biw=1280&bih=560&fp=a9f29339130ebba7

I'm thinking about niche marketing.

 

[Danks2005]

But statistically, with long-flowering anything, the risks go up tremendously and the payoff is likely not there to cover those risks and added costs especially considering the special sales conditions and limited market.

As a "commercial" (large-scale) cash cropper, it doesn't make sense.

Yup, and the average smoker/consumer has never experienced the true tropical flowers. Fast flowering is very important for commercial growers, and you cant blame em.

 

[Danks2005]

Yeah, but true sativas definately get you higher, in there own special kind of way.

 

[grow nerd]

the average smoker/consumer has never experienced the true tropical flowers.

To be honest I can't say that I have, either.

I feel that the only way I'll come across it is if I grow it myself, since I don't know anyone with enough desire to want to deal with the pains of growing them.

I've wanted to visit NYC to score some real deal "Piff" for this reason, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

[whodair]

Yeah, but true sativas definately get you higher, in there own special kind of way.

not me !!
i think some of us are wired differently that way...

 

[whodair]

To be honest I can't say that I have, either.

I feel that the only way I'll come across it is if I grow it myself, since I don't know anyone with enough desire to want to deal with the pains of growing them.

I've wanted to visit NYC to score some "real deal" Piff for this reason, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

the piff is a hazy sativa but i sense a touch of indica too...up around 178th and cabrini youll find what ya need !!

 

[Greensub]

I like the way you think. My shit would have humidifier and dehumidifier, a/c and heat, as well as Co2, all plc controlled. perfect conditions year round. Still have electric bill, but way smaller. Now I'm dreaming. Damn we need to legalize.

I guess I'd have to experiment with Co2, to make sure money spent is returned, and then some. Active exhaust would be way cheaper when applicable.

Exactly... even if we can't all live in the sweet growing areas of the world... we can fake it pretty damn good.

 

[Danks2005]

different strokes for different folks.

I don't know anyone that grows them indoors. One friend of mine grow pure sativa outdoors, but just for personal, but he'll sell me a sack or two. Other than that it is just luck, fortunatley the climate supports em, so I get more than most but not a lot. Most people grow dutch hybrids, I guess maybe they're easier and people want the name. I don't know much about guerrilla growing, or outdoor in general. I like to be in control.

 

[Greensub]

Ya, I know

I figure if I'm lookin' for em, a few others are too. In fact I know they are (just a few... but I think with some good marketing that could change)

 

[grow nerd]

While "fulfilling the duties of my burden of proof" (as requested, more like demanded), I found a fun picture in one of my old user galleries (prior to usage of albums) that brought back some good memories.

The glitter was the shattered flakes from scraping the bottom of a cooled Pyrex dish (after removing a majority of the goop while warm), after making BHO out of Sour Diesel popcorn buds. That blunt kicked some serious ass, but I didn't tap out.

 

[Greensub]

Sweet...

 

[Bionic]

Looks delicioso! "Tappin's fo' bitchez." -Kimbo Slice