i do like the unlimited limits at the house thing. im sitting on like 7 pies and it definately has me a little noid in case i get a knock...
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Is is me or do some growers in Cali actually not want pot legalised??
- Thread starter BORNaSMOKER
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echo_chamber
Active member
Anyone that thinks a PLANT should remain illegal is ____________... (insert insulting term)
echo_chamber
Active member
The reality is we are governed by the laws of this corrupt government, which we do have a say in changing. Thus this bill being put forward, and a million other bills of citizen origin...
What i cant wrap my head around is how someone can support marijuana being ILLEGAL for any reason... How someone could support keeping something illegal over monetary reasons is inexcusable... This legalization fight is NOT about money... All bills in the United States are AMENDABLE, some of you act like this is a final vote for life...
Every human has the natural born right to smoke and grow any plant they desire, its a matter of the rest of you catching up to that fact.. Dont let money or politics influence your opinion, that is not what this is about... This is about keeping people out jail, nothing else in this fight matters, its about freedom...
What i cant wrap my head around is how someone can support marijuana being ILLEGAL for any reason... How someone could support keeping something illegal over monetary reasons is inexcusable... This legalization fight is NOT about money... All bills in the United States are AMENDABLE, some of you act like this is a final vote for life...
Every human has the natural born right to smoke and grow any plant they desire, its a matter of the rest of you catching up to that fact.. Dont let money or politics influence your opinion, that is not what this is about... This is about keeping people out jail, nothing else in this fight matters, its about freedom...
BORNaSMOKER
Member
Good to see this thread is still going.... lot's of strong opinions. I can see where everyone's coming from about the regulation crap but surely we all have the right to not live in fear even if we do have to pay a tax on that freedom!
Hey somebody left the door unlocked....
I smell a trap
I smell a trap
I hate that prohabition is ruining many lives, but greed will out.
Growers against legalization shows you exactly why this country is in the shit tank that it is in now, short-sighted greed and corruption! Any grower that knows what we know about the black market and how over 1,000,000 people are locked up in jails because of the laws that they are backing to keep weed illegal. I think none of the growers that want it kept illegal for their own personal monetary gain, while ignoring all the facts about all the innocent people being harmed have no right to complain about a POLITICIAN EVER AGAIN!!! You are now just as guilty as the politicians perpetrating the most horrific crimes known to mankind, THE CONVICTION INNOCENT MEN AND WOMEN!
Yes your being naive, but that don't make you a bad person bro! It shows me you get the big picture and really care about society as well as yourself! Keep up the GOOD KARMA BRO!!!! Peace
Yes your being naive, but that don't make you a bad person bro! It shows me you get the big picture and really care about society as well as yourself! Keep up the GOOD KARMA BRO!!!! Peace
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puffinpass
threads like this are just depressing...it just shows me even though we are all here for one thing, we still cant unite and come together on an issue that really shouldnt take much thought. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.
Bhodi_22
Member
Ironic how many on this thread grow because it illegal and profitable
Then theres me Mr. sick in the head harm reduction who grows his own medicine just to avoid having to deal with criminals...like those aforementioned ...pretty messed up when you have to criminalize yourself to avoid giving your money to criminals...
Then theres me Mr. sick in the head harm reduction who grows his own medicine just to avoid having to deal with criminals...like those aforementioned ...pretty messed up when you have to criminalize yourself to avoid giving your money to criminals...
Son_of_a_Batch
Active member
ironic that your signature says "free the plant!"
the worst thing is, I bet that everyone that is 'against' it now was 'for' it at some point in their lives, so much has changed!
Sign him up for Congress. He is just a hypocritical sheep, leading his own kind to the slaughter. All in the name of a dollar and all the while perpetrating that he cares "Free the Plant" unless I can't still be making a killing financially. If I gotta lose money keep locking up innocent people. THAT'S MUCH BETTER????? GET THE FUXK OUTTA HERE! Sorry but this really pisses me off and yes I make cash off of it too. So I am in the same boat. I just don't want the others to drown that have done no wrong!
simos
Member
Fact: prohibition breeds criminals - horrible failure in the 20s taught us that.
Fact: self interest is the most powerful human motivator.
Put the two together and what I take away is a sort of "don't hate the player, hate the game" type of attitude towards growers who don't want legalization to be realized. It's not that their idiocy doesn't make me ashamed to share the same passion, but their exploitative criminal attitude is a symptom of a paradigm they're not responsible for creating.
Everyone brow beating them here on IC is much better off using that energy to change the minds of people in the real world who oppose legalization for a lack of exposure to Cannabis's harmlessness, misplaced moralism, and/or as a result of government propaganda. The traitors here that want continued prohibition because it keeps their pockets fat aren't going to be convinced to change their minds by any amount of rational, moral or compassionate discourse. Infuriating as it may be to listen to their selfish bullshit, they simply have too much to lose to do the right thing.
Get out there and change the minds of the populace. Rationally break it down to all the parents you know that it will be harder for their kids to get their hands on weed if it's legalized and regulated. That's how we're going to make it happen, rather than bickering among ourselves, no matter how righteous the pro-legalization argument may be.
Fact: self interest is the most powerful human motivator.
Put the two together and what I take away is a sort of "don't hate the player, hate the game" type of attitude towards growers who don't want legalization to be realized. It's not that their idiocy doesn't make me ashamed to share the same passion, but their exploitative criminal attitude is a symptom of a paradigm they're not responsible for creating.
Everyone brow beating them here on IC is much better off using that energy to change the minds of people in the real world who oppose legalization for a lack of exposure to Cannabis's harmlessness, misplaced moralism, and/or as a result of government propaganda. The traitors here that want continued prohibition because it keeps their pockets fat aren't going to be convinced to change their minds by any amount of rational, moral or compassionate discourse. Infuriating as it may be to listen to their selfish bullshit, they simply have too much to lose to do the right thing.
Get out there and change the minds of the populace. Rationally break it down to all the parents you know that it will be harder for their kids to get their hands on weed if it's legalized and regulated. That's how we're going to make it happen, rather than bickering among ourselves, no matter how righteous the pro-legalization argument may be.
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CANNATOPIA
Well said friend.
To think that any regulated product is out of reach from children is an exercise in delusion.
Pharmaceuticals are certainly foremost in school age children's options due to availability.
If you can get a high school student to tell you they can't score Oxy or Xanax you've found the chess team president.
I would rather cannabis be just as available.
I don't see regulation stopping alcohol availability.
Pharmaceuticals are certainly foremost in school age children's options due to availability.
If you can get a high school student to tell you they can't score Oxy or Xanax you've found the chess team president.
I would rather cannabis be just as available.
I don't see regulation stopping alcohol availability.
simos
Member
I think those are fair points, but I can tell you from personal experience that it was much easier to get my hands on bud as a kid in NorCal than it was to find alcohol. And that was before the medical scene really took off and the volume of Cannabis grown went through the roof.
Since a statistical breakdown of Prop 19 voting showed that parents of minors voted disproportionately against the measure (despite their relatively high level of experience with Cannabis as a general age cohort) I think it's an argument well worth making. At the very least, regulation would discourage selling to kids, and I think if more parents understood that, they would be inclined to support progress.
Cheers
I just see agreeing that people should be afraid of it as a step backwards.
"Sure they should be barred from having it... but we have that covered."
Isn't as clear as
"Yes it's for adults but it isn't going to harm them if they get into it."
"Sure they should be barred from having it... but we have that covered."
Isn't as clear as
"Yes it's for adults but it isn't going to harm them if they get into it."
* think someone made the point here , that the average amount of time for a kid to score some ganja was just a couple hours nowdays , where to go out & score some alcohol took at least 1/2 day . The focus should be on an intelligent approach that recognizes the distinction from a wide class of extremely destructive substances & methods of getting "high" that kids seek out as alternatives . There's meth , alcohol & huffing glue , paints & aerosols thats simply baffling since its their stand that MJ is a lead cause to these other substances & their use .
The reasoning is flawed & the kids see it & know it ...many before were traumatised when getting busted & thrown into the system for these mj offenses & still are . To say that the sytem is flawed & the wheels of change are slow ...well all one can
say is --->Free Willy & long live the TeaPot Party !
(In NorCal up along the coast , as a kid ... you could also just go
out & pick your own magic mushrooms too if u wanted ! )
simos
Member
Agreed. Unfortunately, that perspective only comes with exposure, and most people have been fed so much misinformation over the years that I don't realistically see them coming around to reason, or at least not in one fell swoop. To succeed in what is ultimately a political arena, some concessions have to be made, and I think acknowledging the majority's fears and doing everything we can to assuage them is one such necessary compromise.
I would argue that if it was regulated, it would be even safer and less likely to do any harm, should kids get into it, since the quality would be more tightly controlled. Takes the wind out of the sails of those that make ludicrous arguments about marijuana being laced with hard drugs or dipped in embalming fluid or any number of absurd ideas.
