not in the mind of the conspiracy theorist... but in the real world it is generally true that the simplest explanation is most often correct.
Military spraying "Chaff" Over NorCal
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and your point is?
I never claimed it was either irrefutable nor scientific.
Chemtrails on the other hand... COMPLETELY refutable.
Why why why has no chemtrail truebeliever ever produced easily accessible samples of the chemtrail vapors to prove their point?
ZoSo
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So, you would be speaking of the meteorologist that announced that the military was spraying it on national tv? Oh, wait, he must be a conspiracy theorists, that can't be true! the government would never spray anything in the air that could harm us, right?
I can't for the life of me figure out how this thread went from chaff to chemtrails.
TxMatt
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NO point. I was just reading wiki and posted it.
This thread wasn't about chemtrails at first, but everyone thinks to seem "chaff" are chemtrails. There are to many patents on aerosol spraying and atmosphere/weather modification for me to just say aerosol/spraying from plans could be refutable. YOu say thay hardly use them, how do you know this?
TxMatt
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TxMatt
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WHy do you keep bringing up chemtrails? I am speaking of "chaff" that the military uses to block radars.
sac beh
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Because the scientific effect involved is always at the very limit of detection, and the believers say that a powerful establishment is trying to suppress his or her work, so they pitch their claims directly to youtube, and the evidence for the discoveries remain anecdotal.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/signs.html
sac beh
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then you have no worries, that's pretty much only used in areal combat maneuvers, and actually decoys the radar more than blocking it.
Mezz Mezzrow
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I'm sorry you got flamed. Where I live in the Midwest chemtrails are an every day occurrence. It seems like 99% of people don't notice and don't care.
TxMatt
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Chaff is frequently released by military aircraft in the desert area west of the Great Salt Lake (GSL). The chaff is seen on the radar display usually as narrow bands of high reflectivity that travel with the winds after emanating from a point source. Sometimes these chaff echoes can stretch for hundreds of miles. The bands are also very shallow and are usually seen on only one tilt of the radar, though this depends on the range from the radar and the amount of diffusion time. As chaff drifts closer to the radar site, it may be seen on several tilts making it more difficult to distinguish from actual weather.
Chaff events on two days are examined. On 7 May 1996, chaff mixed with real weather echoes increasing the echo intensity causing them to become indistinguishable from actual higher-reflectivity echoes. It is hypothesized that chaff entered the convective cells creating hybrid echoes through turbulent dissipation throughout the cloud. These echoes were detected by NSSL experimental algorithms. During one volume, a 60 percent probability of hail was indicated by the NSSL hail detection algorithm (now in Build 9).
On 9 May 1996, isolated chaff had structure much like that of actual weather echoes: the chaff had more-rounded shapes and was seen on multiple tilts of the radar. This situation required the use of a visible satellite image to distinguish chaff from the weather. In addition, the vertical tilt of the chaff was much greater compared to genuine echoes.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/wrh/97TAs/TA9702/ta97-02.html
Chaff events on two days are examined. On 7 May 1996, chaff mixed with real weather echoes increasing the echo intensity causing them to become indistinguishable from actual higher-reflectivity echoes. It is hypothesized that chaff entered the convective cells creating hybrid echoes through turbulent dissipation throughout the cloud. These echoes were detected by NSSL experimental algorithms. During one volume, a 60 percent probability of hail was indicated by the NSSL hail detection algorithm (now in Build 9).
On 9 May 1996, isolated chaff had structure much like that of actual weather echoes: the chaff had more-rounded shapes and was seen on multiple tilts of the radar. This situation required the use of a visible satellite image to distinguish chaff from the weather. In addition, the vertical tilt of the chaff was much greater compared to genuine echoes.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/wrh/97TAs/TA9702/ta97-02.html
i am amazed that people do not understand that contrails can do anything clouds can do... including stay around all day.
You would think that exposure to the correct information would cause people to use their critical thinking skills... but if you did think that, you'd apparently be wrong.
chemtrails are a myth.
You would think that exposure to the correct information would cause people to use their critical thinking skills... but if you did think that, you'd apparently be wrong.
chemtrails are a myth.
yup... planes practicing combat maneuvers... you've nothing to worry about from chaff.
Mezz Mezzrow
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I don't think the conditions are right for contrails to linger every single day. A legit contrail almost always fades away in a minute.
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Mezz Mezzrow
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You can look it up yourself. If you look hard you can find the NASA study saying the same thing. Contrails only exist in supercool high humidity air and they almost always dissipate within ninety seconds. If you do find that study let me know. I haven't been able to find it for years.
hell.....coming to think about it if they wanted to "chem" us they could just put it in our own cars through our own gas, shit.. that way its right there at are nose and im sure the gas companies could find a reason to add whatever they fancied and the g'ment could make everyone "think they needed it".....automobiles are making invisible chemtrails anyhow..... lost in the clouds....pardon the pun!
sac beh
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I don't know man, NASA must have covered up the evidence that would substantiate your claims. Because all I can find are dozens of studies to the contrary, and these neat charts:
I took a video of f16s chasing each other through the mountains in Northern New England and popping flares. They were low enough to hit with a rifle (~600y above the valley I was growing in) so I was thinking those flares could start fires if they did that in the west (this was in NE, no danger of fire lol).
I knew the noise instantly as a fast moving military craft so figured they were not after me growing out there heh.
I knew the noise instantly as a fast moving military craft so figured they were not after me growing out there heh.
