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Bulking up haze flowers?

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thesloppy

I've got an SSH mama that I love, but I know I'm not getting the most out of her, as I'm usually only able to get wispy buds, but have occasionally been able to bulk her up into a truly lovely plant, but without any discernable rhyme or reason to the difference in my methods. Any haze/SSH tips for bulking up the buds?

I grow in admittedly less than optimum conditions for a haze, and she's often subject to the whims of a garden that is on a shorter schedule than she is, but as I say, I have been able to occasionally get superior results in these conditions, so I know it can be done with this particular lady. I grow in a ghetto cab SoG, in 2-liter containers, under 250w and 400w hps, using organics and soil. I'm always open to mixing up nutes/medium, but save any obvious suggestions about upgrading lights/space, as my space is pretty restricted. For whatever it's worth, this particular lady is a GHS SSH (save the hatorade for a thirsty day), and she usually gets thrown into the flower chamber after just a week or two of veg. Currently, I'm using a local brand (vital earth) of primo soil, rotating around with Botanicare, Earth Juice, and some solid organic nutes. She finishes in about 11-12 weeks, and seems like a moderate feeder.

So any specific tips on bulking up haze flowers? Any specific nute/medium/additives you like for bulking up wispy plants? Lighting schedule make any serious difference? Would more veg time help (I've had the opposite impression, for whatever it's worth)? Veg nutes/feeding/care make any noticeable difference?

Thanks in advance!
 
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thesloppy

Since I'm in an apartment with a cabinet, and trying to be stealthy, those are the things that probably suffer the most. Right now, due to the season, temps are nice and solid around 78-83 degrees at the canopy (in the summer, that can inch up around 90 degrees despite my best efforts) , and 65-70 when the lights are off. I wanna say the humidity is around 50%, but my only hygrometer is in the veg chamber, and it might be different in the flower chambers. The air flow is tough to say, as I've got a 190 CFM Panasonic Whisper in there, but it's pushing and pulling a lot of air through a carbon filter and through 10' of ducting, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually moving at half that...it's sufficient enough to keep the heat manageable, but there've certainly been times I wish it were more powerful. Inside each chamber there's also a couple fans moving air around.
 
The Baphomet

The Baphomet

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I always found that is difficult to get plants to fill in with high temps and poor air flow . The times you got her to fill out do u remember the temps ? It's a good idea to keep a log for your grow , record temps ,humidity , feed schedule ,etc. IT will help you down the line . Also when you use earth juice ,what nutes are you using and at what ratios .
 
siddhartha

siddhartha

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your veg time is really not all that critically with haze plants. And growing indoors shorter veg is better. Yes temp and hummidity are a very important aspect, almost more than light intensity. Try using a slightly larger pot, or a smart pot with moonshine mix. With a smartpot and moonshine mix, i add a small amount of vermiculite in with the mix and then top dress with jamicana guano on weeks 3 and 5. That should help you out, but really focus on cool temps, and mid hummidity

Sidd
 
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thesloppy

I very rarely use the EJ, and that is one of the few things I do log, so I know that isn't the cause of the problem, but thought I'd include it in case someone thought it might be a solution.

Thnx for the tip on the grow log, I have been bad about keeping notes, and probably wouldn't consider noting temps & humidity, and I'll try and be more diligent about that stuff.
 
bendoslendo

bendoslendo

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Best advice I can give is to keep better records of your grows. A calendar, growth/environmental observation journal and regular documented feed schedule will turn your experience into data, which will provide more insight into improving your grow than anyone else can provide. It sucks to have something go right (bulking your ssh in your case) and have no idea why.

I'm no haze-spert but some general things that can be done to improve bud density:

Keeping temperature in check
Adequate light/penetration
Hormonal products such as Gravity or Bushmaster (never used myself)

They might have more strain specific advice in the GHS forum.
 
bendoslendo

bendoslendo

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Not sure if I had an aneurysm or entered a time warp, but I must has spent over an hour writing that response because when I first clicked on it I was the first responder. Wow... I don't know how that happened...the vape has been on all day....

Sorry for rehashing what everyone else said. You'll fatten those girls up yet!
 
funkymonkey

funkymonkey

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Crossing it with an indica would ruin it, and that's not very helpful in terms of giving you info on how to grow that plant better. Chaos is right, coco is way better than soil.

You can get solid buds on a Haze type, the key is to reduce the Nitrogen from two third of the way into flowering. Say she takes 12 weeks of flowering, at the end of week 7, reduce the Nitrogen 25%, then reduce it another 25% at end of week 8, another 25% at end of week 9, then cut it out altogether at end of week 10, a week of just PK then a final week of just water and this will give you pretty solid buds.

Of course, it is hard to do that with organics and soil, but it is very easy in coco, you use a base nute and a PK booster so it is easy to change N-P-K ratios to suit different plants.

For a 12 week sat dom like SSH you would use a flowering schedule like this:

Week 1 Grow nutes
Week 2 Grow nutes
Week 3 Bloom nutes
Week 4 Bloom nutes
Week 5 Bloom nutes
Week 6 Bloom nutes
Week 7 Bloom nutes
Week 8 75% Bloom nutes 25% PK Booster
Week 9 50% Bloom nutes 50% PK Booster
Week 10 25% Bloom nutes 75% PK Booster
Week 11 100% PK Booster
Week 12 Water

Because you're cutting down the N early you will have buds with less leaf and more calyxes in denser clusters, this regime should give you really solid buds as long as your temps are not too high, high temps always make buds a bit airier.
 
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