BudFactor X used as foliar on buds, wtf?

[epicseeds]

I just got done reading the description of BFX on the AN website. The directions tell you to spray this stuff directly on your nugs up to 3 weeks before harvest. This seems a big odd and I have never heard of any other product asking you to directly spray your nugs.

After further reading, I realized all bud factor x is is an expensive Magnesium Concentrate. Therefor, shouldn't I just be able to find some magnesium, add water and spray some buds. Does this sound right? Perhaps I should do a test on a few colas.

Anyone know more about bud factor x? Has anyone actually used it? And finally, does anyone else know of a bottled Magnesium solution?

WHAT THE BEST WAY TO GET MORE POTENT CROPS USING BUD FACTOR X AS A FOLIAR SPRAY?
Follow the label instructions and then spray Bud Factor X directly onto buds just before lights go off so it will have time to absorb overnight. You could also apply it about 20 minutes before lights go on. You want it to have time to sink in rather than be evaporated. Try for a pH of about 5.8 and closely monitor your buds to make sure you aren't overloading them. Avoid spraying buds in high humidity or when you are within 3 weeks of harvest.

 

[stoney917]

they dont give out the info on the bfx. from what i remember reading it replaces 2 of there product and is more cocentrated so u use less. scropion juice being one i dont remember the others. i used it never had issues this run i stopped wanted to kut down on the amt of bottles i dont see a loss . now as a spray i never tried it would love to see ur results just spray a branch or 2.

 

[epicseeds]

does anyone know of a 100% magnesium additive?

 

[Admiral Canna]

Damn, so that is a $230 bottle of mag?! Hahahaha at all the AN users.

 

[epicseeds]

Damn, so that is a $230 bottle of mag?! Hahahaha at all the AN users.

go take a look at over drive, bud igniter, and bud candy.

 

[terry the trich]

Maybe its something like Magnesium hydroxide (milk of magnesia), or Magnesium sulphate (epsom salts). Or if its pure magnesium then maybe its some sort of ionic/colloidal magnesium. Who knows lol.

Peace, Tel...

 

[epicseeds]

Maybe its something like Magnesium hydroxide (milk of magnesia), or Magnesium sulphate (epsom salts). Or if its pure magnesium then maybe its some sort of ionic/colloidal magnesium. Who knows lol.

Peace, Tel...

so epsom salt is pure magnesium?

 

[ShroomDr]

so epsom salt is pure magnesium?

no, epsom salt is magnesium sulfate (link). It's not 'pure' magnesium. I wouldnt put too much faith into that data sheet, they dont even list S, and its listed on the bottle.

Damn, so that is a $230 bottle of mag?! Hahahaha at all the AN users.

Im pretty sure a 5lb bag of (rock) epsom salt at the Rx is $3-5. People soak their feet in a hot-water-bath with the salts (im sure theres other uses too).




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[epicseeds]

I wouldnt put too much faith into that data sheet, they dont even list S, and its listed on the bottle.

I think they don't list S because there is a very minute amount in the guaranteed analysis.

 

[tester]

lol, thanks for bringing the attention to these "products".

Budfactor X has 0.5% Mg content.
This means:

It's simply 50 grams of Epsom salt (MgSO4.7H2O) added to a liter of water. (equals 190 grams of epsom per gallon of water)
And it has 0.65% S content too.

So at the recommended application rate (2ml/l), it gives:
10ppm Mg
13ppm S

For a quick comparsion:
- my tap water has 20ppm Mg
- Lucas formula use 69ppm Mg
- AN 3 part use 100ppm in the first four weeks of flo, and 116 in the last 2 weeks.

By the way product labels often fail to list S and Ca, this is true for other fertilizers too, not just the ones that are sold in growsops.
They simply don't have to list what they don't want to guarantee.

Bud Candy is exactly the same as Bud Factor X, with the same Mg content and the same application rate, derived from magnesium sulfate.

It looks like they are just epsom salt and water, not even their labels state anything otherwise:

Bud Factor X can make all the difference if magnesium deficiencies
have been a problem. Your crop may need magnesium to help
balance the use of high potassium fertilizers commonly used in
the hydroponics industry. Use our Factor X and avoid common
deficiency symptoms such as; interveinal chlorosis in older leaves,
curling of leaves upward along margins and marginal yellowing.

Bud Candy provides your plants with an essential second-
ary plant nutrient which serves to activate many plant
enzymes required in the growth process.

Both are about magnesium or Mg deficiency related, nothing else is mentioned.

 

[epicseeds]

very interesting on the bud candy. hmmmmm... perhaps try a foliar bud spray of bud candy? i'm going to call up AN and see what the reps have to say about this. i have always been extremely suspicious of bud factor x. usually on their descriptions they cite studies as well as specificly what is in the product. all bud factor x has in the description are insane claims that it will make you buds super sticky and stanky.

one thing i dont understand is why dont any fertilizer databases or guaranteed analysis mention what fulvic acids, humic acids, etc are in these?

take a look at my other thread for more interesting AN info: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=194961

also, does anyone know the general NPK value and percentages of black strap molasses?

The last part on BFX description says this:

Using Bud Factor X, growers can avoid falling victim to reliance on chemical controls such as sulphur that significantly reduce the qualities such as flavour and aroma in the harvest.

This may be true in a way after finding this study.

Wheat flour from plants deficient in sulfur has been shown to contain substantially higher levels of free amino acids, particularly asparagine and glutamine, than flour from wheat grown where sulfur nutrition was sufficient. Elevated levels of asparagine resulted in acrylamide levels up to 6 times higher in sulfur-deprived wheat flour, compared with sulfur-sufficient wheat flour, for three varieties of winter wheat.
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf0730441

In another study I found this:

Sulfur: S
Movement: Mobility varies with species
Function: Constituent of two amino acids, cystine and thiamine, contributes to odor and taste of some plants.
Deficiency Symptoms: Slowed growth, general loss of green color, overall the plant appears to be a lighter green.

i wonder if cannabis is "some plants"?

but, bud factor x (and bud candy) are made from magnesium sulphate - and apparently magnesium sulfate = epsom salt which according to Tester contains a bit of sulfur? CONFUSED! is epsom salt not 100% magnesium sulfate?

UPDATE:

after some more searching i found this paragraph in the book Cannabis and cannabinoids: pharmacology, toxicology, and therapeutic potential By Franjo Grotenhermen, Ethan Russo

the study above about the wheat claim that levels of asparagine and glutamine are the direct result of sulfur deficiency. well....cananabis doesnt even recognize these!

 

[ShroomDr]

That's hilarious. It can't be mag sulphate because there is no S showing in the data.

Its not hilarious, the label says Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate.

 

[ShroomDr]

Are you kidding?


If the bottle says Magnesium Sulfate, there is Sulfur in the bottle.

 

[tester]

As I already wrote before:
Ca and S contents are often missing from the fertilizers label, simply because they don't need to put anything on it, what they don't want to guarantee.

That Feed, Fertilizer and Livestocks Regulatory Services Sheet contains the same % as the product label, they don't analyse every ferts for themselves, they simply get the datas from the product labels.

An other thing is, notice the levels of Heavy Metals and Micro elements: They are all dashed out. If they did an analysis, it should say "BDL" ( Below detection level as seen on the lower right corner).

Check other products on that site, and you will see that they are all the same as their labels, even if the Heavy Metal levels were analysed by the Inspection Services, the nutrient content is not measured, just in some cases bu those are on a different page.

The label says Derived from : Magnesium Sulfate

Do you really believe that AN puts a really new and interesting magnesium source like magnesium proteinate, but do not state it on their label, and they try to sell it as a much cheaper and common Magnesium sulfate derives product?
C'mon...

 

[Tfresh420]

My buddy put BFX in his nutrient solution and hand watered it into the soil but I have heard that it should be foliar fed to the plant. Should I try both or just foliar feed it? It also says weeks 1 thru 6 in flowering but how often and how much when your foliar feeding?? Can anyone help?

 

[epicseeds]

My buddy put BFX in his nutrient solution and hand watered it into the soil but I have heard that it should be foliar fed to the plant. Should I try both or just foliar feed it? It also says weeks 1 thru 6 in flowering but how often and how much when your foliar feeding?? Can anyone help?

WHAT THE BEST WAY TO GET MORE POTENT CROPS USING BUD FACTOR X AS A FOLIAR SPRAY?
Follow the label instructions and then spray Bud Factor X directly onto buds just before lights go off so it will have time to absorb overnight. You could also apply it about 20 minutes before lights go on. You want it to have time to sink in rather than be evaporated. Try for a pH of about 5.8 and closely monitor your buds to make sure you aren't overloading them. Avoid spraying buds in high humidity or when you are within 3 weeks of harvest.

 

[epicseeds]

BTW - using the magnesium sulphate I work with to hit 0.5% Mg target you would use 50.50g/L which would give you 6.565% S. It's also about 10c a bottle to make if indeed it is magnesium sulphate (which given its listing is impossible).

So is AN seriously selling a bottle of 50 grams of magnesium sulphate for $120+ .... WOW

 

[Tfresh420]

Thanks epic I'm gunna give it a shot this run and a bottle of it is going for $86 bucks at my local grow shop

 

[ShroomDr]

Thanks epic I'm gunna give it a shot this run and a bottle of it is going for $86 bucks at my local grow shop

Can i send you 50.5 grams of epsom salt, overnight, for $86?

I figure the shipping will cost me probably $40-60 and the epsom will cost less than $0.25

 

[epicseeds]

Can i send you 50.5 grams of epsom salt, overnight, for $86?

I figure the shipping will cost me probably $40-60 and the epsom will cost less than $0.25