Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[_Dude]

I gotta admit the semicircle was kinda brilliant, but tbh i was curious if you would even take the bait on that search, apologize for trolling the troll. Please don't be mad, i KNOW i didn't search for cannabis links!

Actually, the semicircle thing was typical of the work of morons. I see it constantly on the intarwebs.

Not saying you're a moron, just that your style intersected with theirs. Ah fuck it, life's too short, you probably are a moron.

Not that that makes you wrong or the other guy right. I don't know either way, as I just sorta stumbled onto your post and haven't read much of the thread. But I do know moron style when I read it. Moron style is typified by arguments so stupid, they take far longer to debunk than they do to post.

 

[_Dude]

And I think it makes perfect sense that someone would extrapolate from a study about oranges, to speculating about weed. It's certainly better than nothing, or people posting "defoliation rules."

 

[El Toker]

Perhaps it's time to set up a Bonsai cannabis forum for anyone who's interested in shocking their plants every few weeks so much that it stunts growth and prematurely ends flowering.

As it's become clear that this isn't a "high yield" technique, and it's not specific to hydro, shouldn't this thread be moved somewhere more appropriate and given a more appropriate name? Something like:
"Defoliation - a fancy word for pulling the leaves off your plant and adding an extra six weeks to your grow cycle".

We need a proper forum with no room for "haters" who dare to question the gospel of defoliation. A place where defoliators can share their pictures of severely brutalised plants without the negative vibes from people who aren't willing to believe and keep babbling on about things like side by side comparisons.

 

[huntingbb]

Perhaps it's time to set up a Bonsai cannabis forum for anyone who's interested in shocking their plants every few weeks so much that it stunts growth and prematurely ends flowering.

As it's become clear that this isn't a "high yield" technique, and it's not specific to hydro, shouldn't this thread be moved somewhere more appropriate and given a more appropriate name? Something like:
"Defoliation - a fancy word for pulling the leaves off your plant and adding an extra six weeks to your grow cycle".

We need a proper forum with no room for "haters" who dare to question the gospel of defoliation. A place where defoliators can share their pictures of severely brutalised plants without the negative vibes from people who aren't willing to believe and keep babbling on about things like side by side comparisons.

lol..

the reason a side by side was considered to be bullshit from what i remember was that to do this right, k33f definitely said do in veg, and it seems like 45-60 days was his marker for good veg, THEN in flower. Simple right? no! the difference is if your normally doing say 30 days of flower or 40 and you increase to 60 then you have massive more veg time, and if your girls are gonna have the chance to grow 'as big as they possibly can' then various management techniques to not let them get too large become absolutely necessary, while increasing the percentage of final plant's full weight vs final plant's only flowers weight is a goal and benefit.

Anyway the biggest factor is that even two clones from the same mom can react differently, so to average out the differences in individuals they do fields at a time and measure and make averages, which then have statistical meaning, and further conjectures can be made and tested.

i.e. a sample of 1 out of a sample of 2 is much more likely to be aberrant than 1000 out of 2000. the larger sample set has much more useful information - like predicting how tall a human will be, some are just wildly taller than others, and a reasonably high percentage too..

 

[El Toker]

i.e. a sample of 1 out of a sample of 2 is much more likely to be aberrant than 1000 out of 2000. the larger sample set has much more useful information - like predicting how tall a human will be, some are just wildly taller than others, and a reasonably high percentage too..

That's only the case if the "benefits" of defoliation just push the plant's yield further up the normal distribution of yield. If there is a major difference that significantly increases yield beyond the normal distribution it will show up every time the experiment is tried.

If the "benefits" of defoliation fall within the normal distribution of yield, then it does beg the question how the defoliation believers are able to tell the difference and say that the technique is beneficial. You can't have it both ways.

Right back at the beginning of the thread I pointed out that if you remove all the fan leaves immediately prior to harvesting, it always makes it look like there's a lot more bud. After reading all the posts since I'm even more convinced that this is what's happening.

 

[guambomb813]

Im surprised. 139 pages of read on a topic that is so....well to say the least, on the crazy side of the fence. But what comes to me as a surprise is that there has yet to be a proper experiment to conclude if these claims against the known science of cannabis are truth or not.
I mean I'm all for higher yields and all but how can ICMAG sticky this as if newcomers should take this as truth and run with it. potentially lowering quality, quantity, health? but then potentially increasing all of the above, how would one know without proper testing? Claims of you cant defoliate one plant and not the other, due to one shading the other and what not, I do not find this entirely true. Yes in certain space limitations if they are fighting for light obviously the naked one will obviously get more attention from the light but with proper spacing and lighting this control group can be tested.
Maybe I missed it where we had proper tests but I for one cannot start plucking more then just the simple "suckers" that block lighting, not strip down my girls just because this amazingly got stickied(which I still ?)
Please if i've missed the posts where there have been proper tests and people have side-by-side or even one crop after another to test the yield, post the page & post # so I can shutup -.-
Hey i hope im wrong, I hope that there is a way to increase our yields, thats all of our end goals isnt it?
happy growin.

 

[slowandeasy]

Im surprised. 139 pages of read on a topic that is so....well to say the least, on the crazy side of the fence. But what comes to me as a surprise is that there has yet to be a proper experiment to conclude if these claims against the known science of cannabis are truth or not.
I mean I'm all for higher yields and all but how can ICMAG sticky this as if newcomers should take this as truth and run with it. potentially lowering quality, quantity, health? but then potentially increasing all of the above, how would one know without proper testing? Claims of you cant defoliate one plant and not the other, due to one shading the other and what not, I do not find this entirely true. Yes in certain space limitations if they are fighting for light obviously the naked one will obviously get more attention from the light but with proper spacing and lighting this control group can be tested.


Maybe I missed it where we had proper tests but I for one cannot start plucking more then just the simple "suckers" that block lighting, not strip down my girls just because this amazingly got stickied(which I still ?)
Please if i've missed the posts where there have been proper tests and people have side-by-side or even one crop after another to test the yield, post the page & post # so I can shutup -.-
Hey i hope im wrong, I hope that there is a way to increase our yields, thats all of our end goals isnt it?
happy growin.

There is plenty of proof in this thread that it helps some people...including me. But you can go find the info yourself, not my job to convince you. It is your job to do the research if you doubt it. I have stated facts and have documented proof. I also have a list of pro's and con's. It is not for everyone...but I am not going to do your homework for you.

 

[El Toker]

There is plenty of proof in this thread that it helps some people...including me.

I've read pretty much the entire thread and haven't seen anything that comes close to being "proof". Even if there were, there have been so many redefinitions of "defoliation" on this thread that the term has become meaningless.

 

[medmaker420]

this thread became as beneficial as the "Cfls's are better than hps lights" discussions.

 

[slowandeasy]

I've read pretty much the entire thread and haven't seen anything that comes close to being "proof". Even if there were, there have been so many redefinitions of "defoliation" on this thread that the term has become meaningless.

Well you did not read the whole thread, so go back and start reading instead of hating. I said it helps some people and have proof of both sides of the coin. Do some research. People like you are ruining this thread. Take it for what it is. It CAN increase yields, just like plenty of other methods. Will it be the best for everyone? NO, but that is up to the individual grower to decide. Until you have tried it, shut up.

 

[El Toker]

Im surprised. 139 pages of read on a topic that is so....well to say the least, on the crazy side of the fence. But what comes to me as a surprise is that there has yet to be a proper experiment to conclude if these claims against the known science of cannabis are truth or not.

It's almost as though the forum is populated by people off their heads on drugs.

 

[El Toker]

Well you did not read the whole thread, so go back and start reading instead of hating. .

It's not "hate" dude by any stretch of the imagination. More embarrassment that this thread is a sticky on a forum that I post on and I'm sad to say that I have read the whole thread, although I do admit to "skimming" k33ft3rs posts as he does go on a bit.

I said it helps some people and have proof of both sides of the coin.

You've already said this, that the "proof" is on thread, but you're not going to point it out. It's not possible to prove the non-existence of something.

Do some research.

I have.

People like you are ruining this thread.

Grow up.

Take it for what it is. It CAN increase yields, just like plenty of other methods. Will it be the best for everyone? NO, but that is up to the individual grower to decide.

So it can work sometimes for some people, but for some people it won't work and it will reduce their yield. But they have to find out for themselves whether it works for them because you can't test it because yield varies so much naturally. Despite this you know that it works for you.

 

[delta9nxs]

el toker, at this point you have repeatedly stated your disapproval of this technique and this thread.

many times.

everyone understands your opposition.

won't you please move on so other people can do what they want to do?

why are you here if you are not personally interested in exploring this subject?

 

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[Mr.Jones]

but when defoliated, look at the structure.

do you like it?

for you experienced nay-sayers... how much bud can this little girl produce?

hahaah, made me chuckle
poor thing!

 

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