24kw 18 plants (what is the best hydro system for me)
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milehighmedical
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ur420ducks
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MPB buckets
its recirculating dwc sort of like the under current but a diy kind
a couple people have em on this site heaths tree grow would be smehting to look at in the hydro forums and krunchbubble has some as well
other then that gogle doubleds mpb he made em and sold the thing for like 450k
its recirculating dwc sort of like the under current but a diy kind
a couple people have em on this site heaths tree grow would be smehting to look at in the hydro forums and krunchbubble has some as well
other then that gogle doubleds mpb he made em and sold the thing for like 450k
synchro.surfer
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450k??
typo?
typo?
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Cheeb
Huge Smart Pots of coco w/ a few blumats per.
Simple and effective without all the hassle of pumps, chillers, aeration, drippers, tubing, ect.
Simple and effective without all the hassle of pumps, chillers, aeration, drippers, tubing, ect.
Wait do you have all the lights, hoods, ballasts, etc? If so I would jump for the Under Currents as well. Plug and play with the addition of a chiller. Keeps your numbers low and your output high. I think you guys have pretty cheap electricity compared to cali so rock that shit. You could DIY but with 20k on hand and looking for a simple system, why save yourself 800 bucks with 4-8 days of work? Would be worth more to have those plants in the buckets and rocking. GL man.
MyGreenToe
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So what did you spend the 20 grand on? Lights and ventilation? Seems a bit steep for a reflectorless setup... Can you explain what you have so far?
If you want to DIY, go the Heath Robinson route. Read his tree thread, then read it again. Just say no to the overbuilt MPB setups.
If you want off the shelf, UC is the way to go. I would add a large additional reservoir to the UC setup, especially if you add sites(increase pump size to match the number of plant sites in the system). The 13 gallon buckets they use can be found with a little googling, and PVC and uniseals are cheap.
You didn't really mention what your prior experience is. That should factor into how you set up your new space. This isn't the kind of scale you want to be experimenting with, it's too damn costly!
Good luck with your grow!
Keep it Green
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If you want to DIY, go the Heath Robinson route. Read his tree thread, then read it again. Just say no to the overbuilt MPB setups.
If you want off the shelf, UC is the way to go. I would add a large additional reservoir to the UC setup, especially if you add sites(increase pump size to match the number of plant sites in the system). The 13 gallon buckets they use can be found with a little googling, and PVC and uniseals are cheap.
You didn't really mention what your prior experience is. That should factor into how you set up your new space. This isn't the kind of scale you want to be experimenting with, it's too damn costly!
Good luck with your grow!
Keep it Green
MGT
ur420ducks
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no 450k isnt a typo you can google it haha
yea heaths tree dwc is different from the mpb buckets and from his yields a 76 oz plant and a 56 oz with 5 600w flip flop its def an incredible set up
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=181239 thats the link to it I think page 8 he explains the hydro set up
yea heaths tree dwc is different from the mpb buckets and from his yields a 76 oz plant and a 56 oz with 5 600w flip flop its def an incredible set up
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=181239 thats the link to it I think page 8 he explains the hydro set up
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milehighmedical
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Cheeb
I dont understand why a company would spend nearly half a million dollars to buy the design of a RDWC setup. Whats up with that?
I'm sure the undercurrent setup performs awesome with a lot of aeration, high flow, and water chiller, but fail to see why a company would purchase the design. Did undercurrent manage to copyright the use of kitty litter containers with uniseals?
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For a 24k setup I'd keep it super duper simple.
24 1K bare vertical bulbs. Plants arranged krusty style.
15-20 Gallon Smart pots filled with 100% quality coco.
A few blumats in each pot tied to a few elevated reservoirs w/ Maxibloom @ 7g per Gal.
A few MAX Fans 14" paired with Can Filter 150s to keep it cool and smells zero along with a lot of oscillating fans for air movement.
Large ass AC for summer.
Doesn't get any simpler then that. For commercial purposes everything else is just a waste of expense/time.
I'm sure the undercurrent setup performs awesome with a lot of aeration, high flow, and water chiller, but fail to see why a company would purchase the design. Did undercurrent manage to copyright the use of kitty litter containers with uniseals?
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For a 24k setup I'd keep it super duper simple.
24 1K bare vertical bulbs. Plants arranged krusty style.
15-20 Gallon Smart pots filled with 100% quality coco.
A few blumats in each pot tied to a few elevated reservoirs w/ Maxibloom @ 7g per Gal.
A few MAX Fans 14" paired with Can Filter 150s to keep it cool and smells zero along with a lot of oscillating fans for air movement.
Large ass AC for summer.
Doesn't get any simpler then that. For commercial purposes everything else is just a waste of expense/time.
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DHF
Hey Sands.......With that type of investment I`d haveta go with my `ol tried and true 10 x 10 rooms runnin 4 plants in a diamond pattern and 5-1KW`s in an X pattern for minimum 50 watts per sq ft an each plant receiving light from 3 bare bulbs at all times.......
If yas had a 50/50 indica/sativa hybrid dialed , you could easily pull 10-12 lbs once dialed per room with very little vegtime instead of all those mega week veg`s with low yielding , slow-veggin Indica dominant strains........
Smaller rooms covered in reflectix are easier to control climate and with staggered planting times a month to 5 weeks apart , once everythings in place you can harvey a room every 4-5 weeks strain dependent and always have turnover without havin ta trim a warehouse full of dope all at once.......
Hell .....Heathie had all his ducks in a row at 1 time and was harveyin and replanting a different room every week back before gettin hitched when wifey and kids came around few yrs back.....Now , that`s production........
Big rooms dissipate lumens away from the plants and are swallowed up by everything dark in the room as in under the plants and distance from plants to lights to lights to plants in between......
Seen many many big rooms never hit .75 gpw`s per grow when smaller setups concentrating light and dialing environment always went over 1.0 and my rooms never hit less than 1 .22 gpw with only 34 watts per sq ft.......
A fool and his money are soon parted Sands , so it`s time ta be smart and set shit up right the first time.......
If it was mine to keep shit simple......I`d run DTW in 5 gal smartpots vegged couple weeks under T-5`s in a separate room , then put em in the bloom rooms and flip.....
Runnin larger containers takes that much more vegtime to fill the bags with roots.....All separate areas for mom/clone/pre-veg , and let the bloom rooms stay 12/12 runnin 24/7/365.....
Blumat maxi`s are better suited for bigger containers , but for around the same cash yas can set up the same thing with pumps and simple timers ta feed the shit once a day and then once stretch is over , twice per day in mid-late flower when they start drinkin so much and swellin........
I got the most explosive rootgrowth in my coco plants feeding once a day and allowing the upper 1/3`s of the sp`s ta dry out and form layers of "air roots" ......
Blumats keep the medium constantly wet/moist and I`ve seen better results online run in soil type mediums than coco........but.......Blumat maxi`s are on my "to do" list for what it`s worth......I`ll try anything once and twice if I like it.........
Holler if I can help......DHF........
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If yas had a 50/50 indica/sativa hybrid dialed , you could easily pull 10-12 lbs once dialed per room with very little vegtime instead of all those mega week veg`s with low yielding , slow-veggin Indica dominant strains........
Smaller rooms covered in reflectix are easier to control climate and with staggered planting times a month to 5 weeks apart , once everythings in place you can harvey a room every 4-5 weeks strain dependent and always have turnover without havin ta trim a warehouse full of dope all at once.......
Hell .....Heathie had all his ducks in a row at 1 time and was harveyin and replanting a different room every week back before gettin hitched when wifey and kids came around few yrs back.....Now , that`s production........
Big rooms dissipate lumens away from the plants and are swallowed up by everything dark in the room as in under the plants and distance from plants to lights to lights to plants in between......
Seen many many big rooms never hit .75 gpw`s per grow when smaller setups concentrating light and dialing environment always went over 1.0 and my rooms never hit less than 1 .22 gpw with only 34 watts per sq ft.......
A fool and his money are soon parted Sands , so it`s time ta be smart and set shit up right the first time.......
If it was mine to keep shit simple......I`d run DTW in 5 gal smartpots vegged couple weeks under T-5`s in a separate room , then put em in the bloom rooms and flip.....
Runnin larger containers takes that much more vegtime to fill the bags with roots.....All separate areas for mom/clone/pre-veg , and let the bloom rooms stay 12/12 runnin 24/7/365.....
Blumat maxi`s are better suited for bigger containers , but for around the same cash yas can set up the same thing with pumps and simple timers ta feed the shit once a day and then once stretch is over , twice per day in mid-late flower when they start drinkin so much and swellin........
I got the most explosive rootgrowth in my coco plants feeding once a day and allowing the upper 1/3`s of the sp`s ta dry out and form layers of "air roots" ......
Blumats keep the medium constantly wet/moist and I`ve seen better results online run in soil type mediums than coco........but.......Blumat maxi`s are on my "to do" list for what it`s worth......I`ll try anything once and twice if I like it.........
Holler if I can help......DHF........
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Have you purchased a loadcenter and/or flip for your ballasts/lights. I would get a custom loadcenter if you're running 24 ballasts and no flip. A 200A/240V panel with all the receptacles to power all the 120V and 240V peripperal equipment. Then you can get options like PLC time delay power off and on, digital thermal shutoff, motion/flood/fire shutoff, digital ammeters, wireless, etc.
Whatever you get for a loadcenter make sure it's not cheaply made. Have a look inside and check all connections. Make sure they're aren't terminal lugs crimped onto solid copper wire, should be stranded. 24KW, plus all the other equipment is about 30KW to 35KW.
If you get a custom loadcenter with options, this is what it should look like. If you have several pumps and solenoid valves another controller with a PLC can control all that plus flood sensors, temp sensors, float valves, etc. Hundreds of different time programs can be set with a PLC.
Whatever you get for a loadcenter make sure it's not cheaply made. Have a look inside and check all connections. Make sure they're aren't terminal lugs crimped onto solid copper wire, should be stranded. 24KW, plus all the other equipment is about 30KW to 35KW.
If you get a custom loadcenter with options, this is what it should look like. If you have several pumps and solenoid valves another controller with a PLC can control all that plus flood sensors, temp sensors, float valves, etc. Hundreds of different time programs can be set with a PLC.
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I would love to hear more about these loadcenters. I want to build something similiar and would love to see a tutorial or really anything you would be willing to share about creating load centers with plc's.
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DHF
Knew from the last time we talked it oughta be harvey bout right now.........
Those ebb and grow buckets are awesome for Mom plants and clone production since you`re upgradin......
PM`s are open so as to not clog the thread......
Peace.......DHF............
Those ebb and grow buckets are awesome for Mom plants and clone production since you`re upgradin......
PM`s are open so as to not clog the thread......
Peace.......DHF.........
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synchro.surfer
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Okay so I was gonna reply to all posts but I am not the most nimble typist so I decided to explain what I have now.
I did some research and decided to go with a three room setup with one 5 ton ac and run the lights basically like a flip flop. I didnt end up getting a flip flop box because the guys in Canada were the only ppl I knew that build those custom and wanted like 2500-3000 dollars for what I needed. I shopped around a bit and it was cheaper for me to buy twelve more ballasts and and a dual trigger load center. Here is a pic of somethin I put on paper and this has a ebb & flow buckets but ten gallon with a six gallon in the ten with two one inch feed lines.
The equipment I purchased is:
1 5 ton frost box ac
24 1000 watt ballasts
24 socket assembly
24 hortilux eye
6 8 inch inline fans
1 hydrogen pro co2 gen
1 sentenel cppm-4
1 1hp chiller
2 100 gallon res
2 hanna tri meter
4 10x100 panda plastic
1 24kw loadcenter cap
That's pretty much it I think. The light setup in the pic is what the ppl selling the uc recommended. I have looked into mpbs and uc I dont think I am ready to jump into coco yet. I am def leaning away from mpbs due to the complexities since I am more of a kiss customer. Was in the mindset of going to spring for the 40 in center uc but I just couldnt bring myself to spend 4k on some pvc and containers. So if I go that direction then I will be building.
DHF I could split my rooms up into 4 and still do my lung room idea I just dont have the capital to get anymore ac right now.
setup
Okay so I was gonna reply to all posts but I am not the most nimble typist so I decided to explain what I have now.
I did some research and decided to go with a three room setup with one 5 ton ac and run the lights basically like a flip flop. I didnt end up getting a flip flop box because the guys in Canada were the only ppl I knew that build those custom and wanted like 2500-3000 dollars for what I needed. I shopped around a bit and it was cheaper for me to buy twelve more ballasts and and a dual trigger load center. Here is a pic of somethin I put on paper and this has a ebb & flow buckets but ten gallon with a six gallon in the ten with two one inch feed lines.
The equipment I purchased is:
1 5 ton frost box ac
24 1000 watt ballasts
24 socket assembly
24 hortilux eye
6 8 inch inline fans
1 hydrogen pro co2 gen
1 sentenel cppm-4
1 1hp chiller
2 100 gallon res
2 hanna tri meter
4 10x100 panda plastic
1 24kw loadcenter cap
That's pretty much it I think. The light setup in the pic is what the ppl selling the uc recommended. I have looked into mpbs and uc I dont think I am ready to jump into coco yet. I am def leaning away from mpbs due to the complexities since I am more of a kiss customer. Was in the mindset of going to spring for the 40 in center uc but I just couldnt bring myself to spend 4k on some pvc and containers. So if I go that direction then I will be building.
DHF I could split my rooms up into 4 and still do my lung room idea I just dont have the capital to get anymore ac right now.
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