coco instead of rdwc for vertical trees?

[ur420ducks]

Hi everyone I have been reading a lot on doing vertical trees (using 5 bulb X patern with 4 huge plants) and I was wondering would this be effecient or even possible with coco. In 5-10 gal pots how large could u potentially get a plant in coco? I really like the RDWC MPB buckets but the fact that I have very little experience in building a system of that complexity and that it costs around 1000$ for just the hydro part scares me. I have gotten great results doing smaller coco plants and even my 5 foot outdoor coco drip plants were nice, but I would love to hear what people think before setting up a 4 plant indoor tree grow.
I was thinking 10 gal pots, 5kw X pattern, a simple recirculating drip system, sadly no CO2....
I would love to have some nice 2-3 lb coco plants instead of all my lil sog plants, but if the RDWC MPB buckets are that much better Ill just buckle down and call my dad for help lol
As always would love to hear everyones opinions thnxs!

 

[opt1c]

larger pots; dtw setup; big res; you can do it but they won't grow as fast as ones in a rdwc system; you'll need to use something like tomato cages to support the plants as well

 

[ur420ducks]

bigger then 10 gal? like 15 or 20 wow. yea I know they wont grow as quickly as the rdwc but I have no where near the time or experience to get that all dialed in and I have read about a lot of problems occuring for the less experienced...
tomatoe cages seem like a must for trees hahah thnx opt1c

 

[krunchbubble]

this might be what your looking for.....

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=128422

 

[ur420ducks]

haha hey kb I have actually read though that thread and your MPB bucket thread...
I was actually wondering did you use any sort of pattern for the 16 plants in the room or just placed them where they would fit?
also would 12-16 plants in 10 gals be better then 4 plants in 20 gals least for coco? seems like having a drip water a 20 gal pot would take a while lol

 

[krunchbubble]

haha hey kb I have actually read though that thread and your MPB bucket thread...
I was actually wondering did you use any sort of pattern for the 16 plants in the room or just placed them where they would fit?
also would 12-16 plants in 10 gals be better then 4 plants in 20 gals least for coco? seems like having a drip water a 20 gal pot would take a while lol

personally, i like the smaller pots, 10 gallons max, i get good weight out of them. ive had problem with drip in huge pots, so i hand water.....

 

[Rolando Mota]

I'm looking at running something very similar to this next round; 4 600s in an X with a 1k in the center, 4 plants in coco.

Krunch, I was thinking of using 15 gallon pots with 4 spray stakes in each. What issues have you had with big pots and drip?

 

[krunchbubble]

I'm looking at running something very similar to this next round; 4 600s in an X with a 1k in the center, 4 plants in coco.

Krunch, I was thinking of using 15 gallon pots with 4 spray stakes in each. What issues have you had with big pots and drip?

uneven watering in the pots and no control over how much water per plant. dry spots will repeal the water. you can keep the coco moist at all times, but i have found, they LOVE to get dry.....

my last grow that i just harvested, i ran drip in bigger pots and absolutely regretted it! even though all the drippers had even pressure, some plants drank alot more then others and some plants would have a dry spot and have the pot would repeal the water....most of the plants were over watered with the drip and i only ran it for 2 minutes every other day, 1 per pot, my yield suffered because of this....

 

[ur420ducks]

now Im thinking 12 5ft sfv og kushes in 10 gal pots...
I have never run drip that way before, I always go for 15% run off and water 1-3 times a day for he oxygen exchange, dont worry about roots as much as H&G root excel is amazing, and I have never experienced over watering issues hmmm

kb, was bob wilson the hayward hempery owner, I used to live in hayward and I remember my mom would go there

btw real sorry to hear about that bust thats a lot of bullshit to arise out of a brake light...

 

[krunchbubble]

now Im thinking 12 5ft sfv og kushes in 10 gal pots...
I have never run drip that way before, I always go for 15% run off and water 1-3 times a day for he oxygen exchange, dont worry about roots as much as H&G root excel is amazing, and I have never experienced over watering issues hmmm

kb, was bob wilson the hayward hempery owner, I used to live in hayward and I remember my mom would go there

yes he was......

really? she would go there? cool! was it when the hempery was on main st or foothill? she most likely knows me, i was co director.....

 

[ur420ducks]

Im pretty sure the one on main but I was like 15 so I could be wrong lol

do you see faster growth from letting coco get dry I was reading some of the head threads and it sounds like everytime you water with coco you have oxygen exchange which promotes more growth... I even know someone who floods coco 6 times a day but that seems way too much to me
im curious as to yourtake on watering coco compared to heads

 

[krunchbubble]

Im pretty sure the one on main but I was like 15 so I could be wrong lol

do you see faster growth from letting coco get dry I was reading some of the head threads and it sounds like everytime you water with coco you have oxygen exchange which promotes more growth... I even know someone who floods coco 6 times a day but that seems way too much to me
im curious as to yourtake on watering coco compared to heads

yes, i also read heads thread and followed it last grow, my plants did not do as well as letting them dry out......

quality and weight were much better with a drying out period.....

every single grow i have done in coco, i let them dry out, this last run i didn't, wont be doing that again.....

i do run heads formula now though......

 

[ur420ducks]

hmmmmm I might have to try this, but I can see where this could be difficult in a drip system... its too bad I dont have the time to hand water anymore with school

 

[krunchbubble]

hmmmmm I might have to try this, but I can see where this could be difficult in a drip system... its too bad I dont have the time to hand water anymore with school

dude, i hand water a 20 light, 400 plant grow in 45 minutes...

 

[ur420ducks]

omg thats quick last time I hand watered it took me about a hour and a half and I could barely move in that room

how do you do it i assume a wand going into your res
and if you water for no run off do you just have saucers under plants?
I assume drip clean is used too for that to prevent salt build up

 

[Rolando Mota]

uneven watering in the pots and no control over how much water per plant. dry spots will repeal the water. you can keep the coco moist at all times, but i have found, they LOVE to get dry.....

Oh ok, I know what you're talking about. I've got a 3k flat garden with 12 plants in 5gal coco, 2 spray stakes per pot, about 2 weeks from harvest. A couple of the plants are wet, a couple a little drier, but to be honest they all look about the same. The final numbers will tell the story so we'll soon see what's what.

I've hand watered with a wand a couple of rounds too and it was nice to have the control, but I think the plants respond better to the same amount but divided up over several feedings daily. During veg I feed the plants by hand, and when the stakes are put in they explode even though it's the same total amount.

now Im thinking 12 5ft sfv og kushes in 10 gal pots...
I have never run drip that way before, I always go for 15% run off and water 1-3 times a day for he oxygen exchange, dont worry about roots as much as H&G root excel is amazing, and I have never experienced over watering issues hmmm

See above; I am running 12 plants under 3k in 5gal and they seem happy. I'll let you know how the rootball looks. Also, I use drip clean and don't water until runoff and build up isn't an issue.

 

[ur420ducks]

how are the 5 gal pots treating you and how big are those 12 plants... 5 gallons seem a bit easier for drip but I dont want to get any root bound...

ima have to try watering coco diferently now just to try the this no run off thing