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milehighmedical
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lumatek super lumens
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maybe you should check out the N-G-W.COM tubing thread. They seem REAL quality minded.
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milehighmedical
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I understand their comment was about reflectors, my statement was about said company being 'quality minded'. If Sunlight Supply = N G W then they are not quality minded, nor do they care that they sell faulty product.
I would advocate boycotting all things related to a company that sells tubing that is ruining gardens, and refuses to admit it, or pull the product.
I would advocate boycotting all things related to a company that sells tubing that is ruining gardens, and refuses to admit it, or pull the product.
N-G-W = Sunlight Supply? Really? I thought N-G-W was just a wholesaler. *checks* Noooppppe lol Sunlight Supply copyright all tiny at the bottom of the homepage.
Damn, they fucked up. Fucking chinese everything they make is poison one way or another.
No wonder I can't find their reflectors at any shops.. With the boycott maybe they will drop their prices hehe. Pretty sure Sunlight Supply reflectors won't offgas tho... Shit I hope they havent outsourced that to china too.
I just hate hydrofarm reflectors, so uneccesarily boxy, sometimes not completely covered with the alumabrite shit on the inside, etc. Just looking at them annoys the shit out of me I can't explain it.
Damn, they fucked up. Fucking chinese everything they make is poison one way or another.
No wonder I can't find their reflectors at any shops.. With the boycott maybe they will drop their prices hehe. Pretty sure Sunlight Supply reflectors won't offgas tho... Shit I hope they havent outsourced that to china too.
I just hate hydrofarm reflectors, so uneccesarily boxy, sometimes not completely covered with the alumabrite shit on the inside, etc. Just looking at them annoys the shit out of me I can't explain it.
There are about 10,000 references to horilux bulbs not working great with digital ballasts on this forum. That being said, I never had a problem with my eLux and 600w HPS horilux. I think most of the problems were hortilux + lumatek.
O wow 10,000. I've been working growing and partying too much and not on the internet enough I guess, missed those posts. Of course it doesnt help that there are 9,999 subforums on IC. Shroom I think you infer you're not running Lumatek e-ballasts, if so which brand and how you liking it?
So these incidents were with older Lumateks.. And maybe some bulbs vertical?
Googled up a post where some guy is saying this:
Ahkay that's the whammy. Supposedly the Lumatek fixed the problem... My oldest Lumatek is from uhhh early 2009 I think, and I have no problems ... yet. I can't be certain of the date because, tragic serendipity, last night I found the discount-hydro shipping papers behind my desk and in a fit of paranoia burned them in my backyard lol.
I guess there's other comparable spectrum and specifically e-bulbs but my not-on-the-internet-enough self hasn't seen a spectrum diagram comparison since Overgrow. Always loved the lush hortilux spectrum..
I'm going to bulbswap very soon, I'm tempted to hang the old one vertical and flip my ballast on and off to see if I can get it to pop
So these incidents were with older Lumateks.. And maybe some bulbs vertical?
Googled up a post where some guy is saying this:
Ahkay that's the whammy. Supposedly the Lumatek fixed the problem... My oldest Lumatek is from uhhh early 2009 I think, and I have no problems ... yet. I can't be certain of the date because, tragic serendipity, last night I found the discount-hydro shipping papers behind my desk and in a fit of paranoia burned them in my backyard lol.
I guess there's other comparable spectrum and specifically e-bulbs but my not-on-the-internet-enough self hasn't seen a spectrum diagram comparison since Overgrow. Always loved the lush hortilux spectrum..
I'm going to bulbswap very soon, I'm tempted to hang the old one vertical and flip my ballast on and off to see if I can get it to pop
ok, 100 references, probably closer to 200. Its been stated a bunch of times and there sure as hell are more than 10,000 posts on this forum. If you would just chill out, you would see that i already posted i use an eLux ballast.
I should have left you unanswered; what a poor substitute for a thank you.
I should have left you unanswered; what a poor substitute for a thank you.
Admiral Canna
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Wow, I'm catchin some heat....lemme see if I got any ice water..... 
The Lumatek box SAYS it produces 20-30% more light. Thats where I got that from.
No incorrect....a mag and a Lumatek will draw the same amount of juice....I have an amp meter and have checked myself. Mags and digis cost the same to run....bonus is a lil more light. Did you use a light meter to check if your digi was brighter than the mag? Your eyes might not see it, but my light meter told me so.
Lumateks are "smarter" than mags and this is where the extra WHAMMY comes in.....
The output frequency is not 60hz to my understanding. Its a higher frequency and that is what makes the bulb do a better dance and give you more light for the same penny coming out of yer pocket.
Hortilux bulbs are more prone to weld failure than most other bulbs. The 2 lil welds that hold the filament in place break.....sometimes. Not all the time. I have seen a pretty good scale of trend analysis from this.....my pal owns a hydro store.
He recommends Agrosun, Ushio and one other brand to his digi custys.
And for what its worth, I have been in the store with my pal when a custy brought a Hortilux back he was running in a Lumatek.....it was exploded. Ballast obviously had issues......but still.
And lastly, no Lumatek is not BWGS, or NGW or Hydrofarm....they are made in the UK by a company called LUMATEK.
Their ballasts are then shipped to national wholesalers who in turn put their own ballast configuration plug on it and off they go.
The Lumatek box SAYS it produces 20-30% more light. Thats where I got that from.
No incorrect....a mag and a Lumatek will draw the same amount of juice....I have an amp meter and have checked myself. Mags and digis cost the same to run....bonus is a lil more light. Did you use a light meter to check if your digi was brighter than the mag? Your eyes might not see it, but my light meter told me so.
Lumateks are "smarter" than mags and this is where the extra WHAMMY comes in.....
The output frequency is not 60hz to my understanding. Its a higher frequency and that is what makes the bulb do a better dance and give you more light for the same penny coming out of yer pocket.
Hortilux bulbs are more prone to weld failure than most other bulbs. The 2 lil welds that hold the filament in place break.....sometimes. Not all the time. I have seen a pretty good scale of trend analysis from this.....my pal owns a hydro store.
He recommends Agrosun, Ushio and one other brand to his digi custys.
And for what its worth, I have been in the store with my pal when a custy brought a Hortilux back he was running in a Lumatek.....it was exploded. Ballast obviously had issues......but still.
And lastly, no Lumatek is not BWGS, or NGW or Hydrofarm....they are made in the UK by a company called LUMATEK.
Their ballasts are then shipped to national wholesalers who in turn put their own ballast configuration plug on it and off they go.
Cousin Cleatis
Member
I run 4 1000 watt hortiluxs off 4 digital lumatek ballasts. I use the super lumens throughout my runs and have never had a bulb pop. Knock on wood... You should be ok i think temps would be more of an issues than the bulbs exploding
mellow yellow
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leave mine on all the time
CanIgetsum
Member
I now have three 600's lumateks and have yet to try this feature, being a newbie I'm not too worried about the bulbs but dont want to over work the ballast, trying to get at least a couple of grows outta them. I figure like all other equipment the harder you work them the sooner they fail. Is this the case with the limates? Also whats the average life expectancy of a ballast??
Wow, I'm catchin some heat....lemme see if I got any ice water.....
The Lumatek box SAYS it produces 20-30% more light. Thats where I got that from.
No incorrect....a mag and a Lumatek will draw the same amount of juice....I have an amp meter and have checked myself. Mags and digis cost the same to run....bonus is a lil more light. Did you use a light meter to check if your digi was brighter than the mag? Your eyes might not see it, but my light meter told me so.
Lumateks are "smarter" than mags and this is where the extra WHAMMY comes in.....
The output frequency is not 60hz to my understanding. Its a higher frequency and that is what makes the bulb do a better dance and give you more light for the same penny coming out of yer pocket.
Hortilux bulbs are more prone to weld failure than most other bulbs. The 2 lil welds that hold the filament in place break.....sometimes. Not all the time. I have seen a pretty good scale of trend analysis from this.....my pal owns a hydro store.
He recommends Agrosun, Ushio and one other brand to his digi custys.
And for what its worth, I have been in the store with my pal when a custy brought a Hortilux back he was running in a Lumatek.....it was exploded. Ballast obviously had issues......but still.
And lastly, no Lumatek is not BWGS, or NGW or Hydrofarm....they are made in the UK by a company called LUMATEK.
Their ballasts are then shipped to national wholesalers who in turn put their own ballast configuration plug on it and off they go.
good post dude...
and the bolded statement is one that I was going to make but never got around to it...
the companies that these guys are referring to are just distributors of lumatek... you can pick up a sunlight supply catalog and find lumatek gear in it pretty much is what that means...
saying lumatek is owned by/same as sunlight supply is like saying AAA Reservoir Seeds is the same as seedbay/seedboutique...when really seedbay/boo is just a distributor of AAA Rez beans.
anyways, back to topic...
i was wondering why they advertise the fact that these ballasts can be dimmed 50%? why would that be a selling point?
BALLAST FEATURES
Dimmable - Ballast can be dimmed to 50%.
Multi-Wattage - Power different wattage lamps on the same ballast.
Super Lumens - Up to 10% more light at the flip of a switch.
Dual-Voltage - Will operate on both 120 Volt or 240 Volt power.
Can strike lamps up to 65’ from ballast and even at longer distances when used with a Lumatek long range igniter.
3 years full + 2 years pro-rated warranty.
Internal resin coating protects components for long life.
External breaker system protects against power surges.
Completely silent.
Compatible with Smart Volt™ power cords.
400 Watt Ballast Powers 250 & 400 Watt Lamps
600 Watt Ballast Powers 400 & 600 Watt Lamps
750 Watt Ballast Powers 600 & 750 Watt Lamps (HPS only)
1000 Watt Ballast Powers 600, 750 & 1000 Watt Lamps
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LW's right... heat/light coverage efficiency was my concern. Old charts on Overgrow indicated 600 watts were prime. If heat is manageable, I have the option of dialing it up.
Flexibility's always a bonus so why not advertise it. I'm also considering a lumatek for another veg space running at 400w, with the option of making it a flower lamp later on.
Love it. I'm still trying to figure out how I connected lumatek and sunlight supply in my grey matter. Maybe from a phone conversation with a discount hydro rep before I ordered it.
Flexibility's always a bonus so why not advertise it. I'm also considering a lumatek for another veg space running at 400w, with the option of making it a flower lamp later on.
Love it. I'm still trying to figure out how I connected lumatek and sunlight supply in my grey matter. Maybe from a phone conversation with a discount hydro rep before I ordered it.
Smoke Kush
Member
I agree.
I think I'm just going to try it out a little on this run since I am running all used hortiluxs. On my next I run I will replace the bulbs and maybe run it a little longer. I think I will be replacing the bulbs every run from here out so I won't be too worried to push the bulbs a little harder.
Side note..... I enjoyed watching watching this thread stray off topic. Good arguments.
SK
Chief Rbud
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you will be fine! the bulb will last longer than a 400W on the super lumens feature. your adding 10% to the output of the ballast with the SL setting, so you are looking at 440W. most magnetic ballasts fluctuate by 20-30% anyway so you should be just fine. im running a 400W metal halide in veg right now on the super lumen setting, so far no problems.
bugler
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So if these ballasts are controllable from 50%-110%, why not just use a 1000w and run it wherever you want? Any reason to not just get a 1000w and run it at 600w? I'm helping a friend design right now, and I was debating between a 600w and a 1000w, mostly thinking the 1k would be a bit too hot in the summer for his setup. But with this ballast, he can have both?
Basically the opposite of the original question instead of is 110% ok, is 50% really ok? That's not even off topic, that's reverse topic!
Basically the opposite of the original question
instead of is 110% ok, is 50% really ok? That's not even off topic, that's reverse topic!ganjaments
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I'm pretty sure the lumatek dimmables draw the same ammount of current, even when "dimmed". (Still draws 1000w even at 50% output)
Can somebody with an ammeter confirm/deny?
Can somebody with an ammeter confirm/deny?
