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MHHSP

MHHSP

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Hi all,

Got a powerhouse mom that I need help with, can't lose her! Well ok its a ways down the cloning line...
Been transplanted about 2-3 weeks ago from a 1.6 gal to a 2.5 gal.
Sunshine #4
Temps are 78 with humid 42%.
Been feeding every other water fox farm grow big, liquid k, cal mag, micro burst.
Is not over or under watered.

The leaves are dropping almost like a wilt and their is yellowing in the center of the leafs, margins are raised slightly and the stems are truing purple.

pH issue?? solutions?

Please help if you can...
try to get pics up afta work
 
MHHSP

MHHSP

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Alright thought the problem was getting better, not really. I have flushed a few times, first with cal-mag and the second with clearex. Both times water pH was at 6.0.
Little more info… I use sunshine mix #4, the plants are in a good environment and not in need of transplant with correct temp and humidity. I’m thinking a pH issue is the cause or a cal/mag imbalance. Please help if you can I really need healthy moms for my clone lines.

 
MHHSP

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Growth point centers are continuing to yellow from the middle. Any way thins could be caused by to much ventilation (water evaporating to fast from the medium).
 
MynameStitch

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few of the pics look like an iron problem, there is no pH issue wrong with those plants, the plants are possibly iron problem..... that is starting from the petiloes outwatrds, this is a micronutreint problem and most of it is near the top parts of the plant....

How often do you water and how much of each nutrient do you use? Do you use all at once?
What water are you using for your plants? Tap?bottled? RO? Distilled?
 
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rashboy99

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man your mums are gorgeous stop worrying i have 6 W.R mums over 2 years old that look the same and are super healthy

P.S the yellowing in the center is new growth
 
MHHSP

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Thanks for the reply MNS, I'm watering with tap water from a small towns municipal supply. Its comes out around 7.5-8pH wise so I normally drop it to around 6.0 using earth-juice pH minus (citric acid). I'm going to hit em with a micro nutrient foliar.

Thanks for your words rashboy but I have been growing old moms for a while now and there is something wrong with these and maybe yours eh?. Not major I take it but also not healthy and flourishing. New growth should be upright, green, vibrant, and stems should be greener as well.
I'm thinking about trying a dwc for a mom or two, would stay healthier for longer without having to have large soil containers or do bonsai.
 
MynameStitch

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How often are you feeding your plant and how often do you water?
Leaves are droopy in some places on the plant......
What soil mixture do you have your plants in?
Do you trim the root ball at all?
 
MHHSP

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mns-
I water about every 5-7 days, feeding every-other water with fox farm grow big and occasionally cal-mag+ and micro-blast, I currently have one in a 5 gallon and one in a 3 gallon. The mix is Sunshine mix # 4. Which is 55-65% peat, perlite, d-lime, gypsum, and a wetting agent. Its their mix for plants that like more aerated soils. I always wait until the container is very light weight and dry then water well with 10% runoff.
I have never trimmed my root ball, would that help with root-bound problems?
 
MHHSP

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Alright maybe you guys can they tell me something about root timing. How often in a 5 gal? tips? technique? links? is it something that you think would benefit me?
 
MynameStitch

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Normally your plant uses water very quickly when it's near/rootbound..... do your leaves droop when you wait that long?
Also you want to sometimes get more runoff, because when the soil is dry water will run out pretty quickly to the bottom and then your plants don't get enough water..... the soil could not absorb it quick enough......

When your plant is rootbound your plant has a very difficult time getting nutrients

How long has this mom been in it's pot......?
Don't trim the rootball just yet; I need to know some more info.....
Take the plant out of the pot and take a picture of the roots and post it here.......
But to give you information for future ref on root trimming, read below:


I would always stay with the pot you got now, thisi s what you do,

First get some B1 vitamin, like b52, thirive alive or superthrive anything that has amino acids,vitamins......
that is used for plants, but use VERY little, it only takes a small amount to do the job. This helps ease the stress of rootball trimming and helps boost the plants recovery time.

When you do a root trim, you take the plant out of the pot, I do not have pictures, but I will try to find some, I know there is some around here!

Anyways, you do this when the plant is almost dry, but still moist, never do this when the plant was just watered.
WEight of it can cause problems removing the plant safetly out of the pot.

Put the pot on it's side, careful with the plant, hit the side of the pot or push the sides in and out to loosen the dirt and start from the bottom up.

Once you see the dirt is not stuck around the sides of the plant on the top, take your hand and remove the bucket, sometimes you may have to hold the bottom stem to get the pot, but never grab it by the stem and pull.
Once the pot is off, you will see your rootball, you take the pot and put it upright, make sure you got something that is clean tio put this rootball on, otherwise your plant may pick something up you don't want it too!

You got your plant on this clean surface, not put the plant upright and trim 4 inchs away from the center of your stem, you take a knife and trim in a circle, what helps out a lot so you can do a perfect circle is take a big salad bowl that is plastic, take the bottom out and cut it in half, so when you put it on the top part you know to cut a perfect circle, it's not required, but it's a tool to help new people get the idea.....

Do not cut too close to the stem, you want to cut some of the roothairs and around the area where the big tap root is, do not cut the big tap root, to be safe this is why I say 4 inches away from the stem.

Now after you did you sides, take the bottom and take 2 inches off the bottom of the rootball, like if you were slicing a cake.

Now after you did this, before putting your rootball back in the pot, with gloves on you can loosen the dirt on the entire sides of your rootball, you want the roothairs to not be so stuck to the ball, this helps speed recovery time and quicker rooting, instead of having roots stuck to the dirt ball.

Now put your plant in the pot and add fresh soil, now water your plant with your choice of the products I listed above, there are more than just those though, those are just given as examples of what kind you need to use.
 
grapeman

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Instead of trimming root balls, I find it easier to just recycle my mothers. I take cuts about every 4 weeks and I always have an extra 5 or 6 plants that I keep under a single light. About once every month or 2, I remove an ailing mom and replant with a new mom and move them into the mom room.

I've found that this method is easier for me and keeps my moms always healthy and young and the cuts super viable.
 
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grapeman said:
Instead of trimming root balls, I find it easier to just recycle my mothers. I take cuts about every 4 weeks and I always have an extra 5 or 6 plants that I keep under a single light. About once every month or 2, I remove an ailing mom and replant with a new mom and move them into the mom room.

I've found that this method is easier for me and keeps my moms always healthy and young and the cuts super viable.
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This.


Then flower the 'original' mom out to tree status.

Hope you do get it figured OP. :yes:
 
MHHSP

MHHSP

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Thanks everyone for the responses. I will take some pics 2night and post em, got fucking inspections today so everything is shut down for the moment.
I do know my leafs are drooping through all stages of moist soil. Drooping when wet, drooping when med wet and dropping when dry.
And as you saw in this pic...

The area between the veins is rising making the leaf look 3d and rough.
So that's why I was thinking a deficiency.
The mom in the 5 gallon has only been there maybe 3 weeks from a 3 gallon so I don't think its a root bound issue.
Anyway more pics 2night so you guys can look again, see if ya think there's any improvement.
Getting nervous as I need healthy clones soon!
thanks!
 
MynameStitch

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It's not that bad, I have seen much worse, but it is time to repot or trim the roots.
Since you keep it bonsai you can't really go by the height, but by the number of nodes....
What size pot is she in now?
Is the roots on the bottom, are they twirled in circles many times?
 
FinestKind

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MHHSP said:
pics!



what do you guys think?
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Mine look very much the same (well, one of them anyway), I just repotted last week and fed with some fish emulsion, I am in the same boat, need some healthy clones in two weeks... I usually find the repotting helps immensely, haven't tried the root trimming yet. (Mostly cause I'm scared. :)) I usually follow Grapeman's thing and take new ones when the old ones are getting "long in the tooth." All that being said, here's a nice link on trimming root balls (and bonsai moms, for that matter):
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919

I'll be watching this thread, as I'm hoping mine comes to in the next couple of weeks, as well...

FK
 
MHHSP

MHHSP

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MNS- Its in a 5 gallon bucket. The roots are just getting to the bottom, about 30% covered and their not quite curling. Will trimming the ball affect when I can take cuts? (is there a recovery time)
Would liquid karma work as an after trim supplement? As I understand it would be great for that.
 
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