Airpots/Coco/RDWC/2x600W NDL-Cheese,BlueCheese&NYCD

[fred b]

yo tea!

awesome grow you got there! thanks for the great details!
yeah the ladies seem to love coco in air pots got the same combination 5l airpots with canna coco. but using canna ferts and I didn't put hydro correls to the bottom of the pots

one question tho, your thread topic says "RDWC" (ie deep water culture, like a bubbler) but I see you got topfeed drippers, so are you recirculating the drain or do you also use some kind of ebb/flood on those tables ??

greets
fred b

 

[Seedfreak]

yeah tea my mate...it's only the beginning but i think it will be a great report

especially i'm interested in the difference in rooting,growing and yielding between the 0.8gal and the 1.3 gal airpots.

i've subscribed

cya...seedfreak...now

 

[Tokesome]

I think the higher ec is ok, its the usual recommended dose for foliar feeding, its not the same as feed strength to the roots, that`d have to be a lot lower or the balance with Calcium would be well messed up. See how it goes with 1/2 teaspoon per ltr, if there`s not much difference dont be afraid to step it up, or if you`re a bit unsure run a search for foliar feeding epsom salts.

If deposits are left on the leaves they can be sprayed off with plain RO water on the days between epsom feeds. Dont do it whilst the lights are on though eh? I`m sure you`ll already know that tho.

Keep looking at the roots coming out of the Air-Pots and really excited about using them after a trial run to establish the correct dial in. The Blumat gravity drip feed system keeps getting a mention everywhere I look. I was put off them cos they cant be set to give a set amount of run off, but PoopyTeabags has found away that really works by the sounds of it, so I`m going to look further into that set up, it`d be an easy trial on just one plant. Having said that I`m interested in near hydro feeding in a recirculating system with regular rez changes (twice a week) and twice weekly flushing to reduce salt levels in the pots.

Sorry, I`ve probably already asked but what is your flushing routine mate?

All the best to you and yer ladies.

Toke

 

[tea]

is that 2 weeks from seed? did you start out in in smaller cups and transplant to the 3l pots?
also, head's thread is quite long, i filtered for only his posts to come up, it makes it a much more manageable read. (2 days of light reading instead of probably 2 weeks) you'll also be amazed at how many times he repeats himself, quite amusing really.
mine are just now putting out their second set of serrated leaves, so i'm happy to know you've got some giants after two weeks, i guess i'll see if it is the pots or genetics.

hey antheis
nahh, sorry for this misunderstanding but if you count and read the dates/titles from the photos you will see what i've meaned...i've meaned 2 weeks of bloom (12h/12h)

...and yes, heads thread is really long.thanks for the tip with filtering

...and best wishes to your little ladys!!!

to dispel more misunderstundings
and answer your questions:

1.day veg/21.08.2010
after blue cheese germination (nycd&cheese clones was well rooted)

potted to 200ml pots

the plants had 16h/2x18w philips tld 33 blue/white fluorescent tubes for 3 days
and then from

4.day veg/24. - 29.08.2010

for 5 days 18h/2x18w philips tld 33 blue/white fluorescent tubes up to the

9.day veg/29.08.2010

then the plants was potted to the airpots and for 16 days under 600w hps blue. the first 3 days only 16h light then 18h up to the

1.day bloom12h/12h / 15.09.2010 (until this day the plants was hand watered). drip system installation( watering 3x15min/day)

the plants further get 600w hps blue but only 12h/12h up to the

1.day bloom/28.09.2010

from then the plants had 600w hps red (watering all day)until now.

...today
i've changed my watering from all day to 2x/day because the plants are exploded to hughe bushes and grown too high.
really awesome...i've never had such giant plants from the same strains in same time veg and normal 9 liter pots!:jawdrop:


think in airpots a reducing of the veg time should be a good idea for people like me who has no high room!just my

...Prehaps best of all would be to regularly trim the roots coming out of the bottoms of the pots, this trimming would promote even more and stronger roots and avoid any root rot under the plant pots? Just a thought buddy, whadya think?

Keep up the excellent work, it looks like you`ll be reaping some fine rewards for your considerable effort.

Brave move, first grow with coco and Air-Pots. I`m interested in what made you decide on them? Whatever the research, it looks to be coming good mate.

Cheers, Toke

hey toke
i've cutted 2 x the roots under the pot in veg time but stopped with it under 12/12. will not cut too often/much

...and thanks i hope it,too

...and this is a little misunderstunding from you or now from me.
this is not my first coco grow but my first coco grow with airpots

...is that 2 weeks from seed? did you start out in in smaller cups and transplant to the 3l pots?...

hey antheis

no and yesyour answers and details are above.

hi tea,

nice to follow a growlog from you finally. watched for this since a while.
iam excited to see them gals in coco+airpot. will be surely a promising combo.

and iam glad that ur nycd is in on it. u know i really liked her pictures from the last runs.
wish you all the best mate and looot of tasty weed.

greetings,randa

randa

yo tea!

awesome grow you got there! thanks for the great details!
yeah the ladies seem to love coco in air pots got the same combination 5l airpots with canna coco. but using canna ferts and I didn't put hydro correls to the bottom of the pots

one question tho, your thread topic says "RDWC" (ie deep water culture, like a bubbler) but I see you got topfeed drippers, so are you recirculating the drain or do you also use some kind of ebb/flood on those tables ??

greets
fred b

hey fred

no correls? i've seen the new series of airpots have other bottom grids with smaller holes. maybe you have this one or mean you that the coco comes not out altough the big holes and i don't need the correls the next grow

...and to your question with RDWC.
this was a mistake from me! i've meaned recirculating!
maybe a mod can edit the title of the thread to correct it?

sorry but my english and especially all this growing terminology is not the best and i'm not a very experienced author in the english language

@ seedfreak : we will see it

Sorry, I`ve probably already asked but what is your flushing routine mate?

i've flushed every week between changing the nutriend solution until now. 100 liter/2m² dtw only with growing additives like root/grow/bloom up...no fertilizer.


hope this dispel all misunderstundings and answers all questions.

...have a great day

your, tea

 

[Tokesome]

hey toke

...and this is a little misunderstunding from you or now from me.
this is not my first coco grow but my first coco grow with airpots

. . . and I`ll be right behind you mate, but not quite so brave, I`ll do a one plant test along side my conventionally potted plants, with its own tray and rez.

I`m thinking of feeding with the gravity fed Blumat dripper system, but what problems were you having with recirculating set up bro?

Cheers, Toke

 

[tea]

. . . and I`ll be right behind you mate, but not quite so brave, I`ll do a one plant test along side my conventionally potted plants, with its own tray and rez.

I`m thinking of feeding with the gravity fed Blumat dripper system, but what problems were you having with recirculating set up bro?

Cheers, Toke

hey toke
yah nice i wish you the best for your test.should be interesting

and my problem was i was too stoned to write in an other language...nothing more. maybe you write a grow report in german...then you know what i mean

omg i think the half ic is laughting about my english gramma

cya, tea

 

[Silky Johnson]

Hey tea how often do you change your rez you are using?

 

[dimodz]

high bro

will follow your report. I found just because thread

peace & stay safe
DiMoDz

 

[tea]

Hey tea how often do you change your rez you are using?

when the ec/ph becomes unstable. in my case every 5-7 days.

but yesterday and after reading the "head goes coco" thread
i've flushed the plants dtw with 26gal/100liter water+20ml bloom up and enzyms.
the reason was that the nycd plants are the only ones which a perfect look at this moment. the ghs cheese plants and the blue cheese plants looks like they have some lockout symptoms and all 3 strains stretched enormeous the last days.

NYCD bd 20

BLUE CHEESE bd20...very strange. after 3weeks 12/12 the flower still not start!

CHEESE bd20

i think all this problems comes from lockouts during too much(15 minutes) and too often(4x up to all/day) watering with a to high ec(2.0-2.1).

now i will give a try for a nutriend solution with only ec 1.4/ph5.8
and changed my nutriend solution to:

100l ph5.8/ec1.4:
+ 5 teaspoon epson salt
+ 100ml ecolizer A
+ 100ml ecolizer B
+ 20 ml ecolizer bloom up
+ 1,5 ml hesi supervit
+ 40 drops ph minus/bloom& 1 teaspoon citric acid(will not give too much ph minus the next 2 days)

results following...

your, tea

 

[tea]

high bro

will follow your report. I found just because thread

peace & stay safe
DiMoDz

hey dimodz my mate...nice to see you

 

[Tokesome]

Hey Tea, did you measure the strength of the initial run off from the flush? Hi ec and low ph I imagine.

Its not a 100% accurate but checking the run off from a pot against what is being fed can tell you straight away if there is too high a concentration from salt build ups. I think if my memory is correct (it may not be), that its cool to have the ec higher by 0.1-2 but you can soon be feeding ec1.4 and the pot`s run off can read ec2.3. Heavy flush and reset the nutrient stock asap. If you check the run off from the flush at the beginning and then keep checking until its fallen to 0.4 above your base flushing water strength.

One thing that will really increase this salt build up is the drying out of coco, that`s why I believe keeping the plants wetter in air-pots than in conventional pots will be advantageous. Check out Poppyteabags set up with the Blumat drippers, no nun off, but no flushing required as its on a slight trickle virtually all the time. I`ve yet to be convinced that flushing still wouldn`t have any beneficial effect for the plants, but it certainly looks like it gets rid of the def/lockout`s due to salt build ups.

I dont know how easy they are to get hold of in the UK, my local shop has never heard of them. I`d like to get one set up for the next grow, if not it`ll be a recirculating set up and lots of flushing.

In recirculating set ups I think its a better idea to run from a small rez so it`s changed out more often than 5-7 days, due to the plant`s ability to absorb more of some of the nutrient elements than others, therefore the rez can soon get out of balance from the solution you set in the first place. Why not use a big rez to mix a batch up and keep it moving with a pump and aerated, then you could simply fill your now reduced recirculating rez as often as required from the big rez. I just think 5-7 days can be a bit long, especially with different strains, they are bound to absorb some elements quicker and get a build up of the remaining ones without, necessarily, significantly altering the ec value. I think the clawing leaves are saying that mate, but I could be wrong.

I`d also be tempted to feed at ec1.0-1.2 and raise it if the run off indicates they`ll take it, and foliar feed at lights off with a weak nutrient solution to give the plants an instant fix of what they`re needing.

Hope its all sorted soon for you bro.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Silky Johnson]

My question with is that after each feeding and reusing your run off, dont you think after the 2nd or even 3rd feeding the plants have used most of the nutes your using? And that after the 2nd or 3rd day you would be using depleted nutes? So making a new batch each feed, though small, would guarantee your plants are getting 100% of their food you are intending them to. Unlike the recycled nutes, after 3 days of using they might be at 40-70% in your rez..... So you ever thought of just making smaller batches and making them more often?

 

[GutGegeben]

Damn, now that is an exciting report here, tea.
Really looking forward to see how those beauties are gonna develop. They're growing under great conditions for sure, should bless you with some NICE bud.

Taking a seat,
gg.

 

[tea]

hey mates
the values from the intial run off were ec0.5-0.6/ph6.0-6.1
you can see the plants need more food.

but for the next days i try to give a nutrient concentration as low as possible, but as much nutrient solution as possible up to the point were the leaves becoming yellow and the claws (maybe) disappear. then i let increase the ec in the ns slowly again up to the point where the values are stable again. but not more than an ec1.7-1.8 i think this should be a good compromise for all three strains in my room.

...please mates, i know how to set up a nutriend solution

but this 3 strains have completly different requirements. the bc goes yellow with claws, the cheese goes dark green with claws and the nycd looks perfect how all the other grows i've done with this beautifull lady.
every time i grow "multi straining" at least one of the strains looks not so perfect the first time and i must found a compromise. and unfortunatelly this time there are 2 strains with problems with a high ec like the nycd loves it.
aaahh this is not the problem. finally the harvest will be great again if there is no other problem

the new and much bigger problem i have determine today is...

the timeswitch from my ndl's had an error and has switched 13/11 and not 12/12 about the last 3 weeks. fucking surprise! ...this is also the reason that the plants have stretched so much and the bc plants are not gone in flower until now. i will see it the next 7 days if i cut them off or not...

you all...have a great day
cya, tea

 

[tea]

edit: double post/lame internet

 

[Seedfreak]

hey mates
...the timeswitch from my ndl's had an error and has switched 13/11 and not 12/12 about the last 3 weeks. fucking surprise! ...this is also the reason that the plants have stretched so much and the bc plants are not gone in flower until now. i will see it the next 7 days if i cut them off or not...

damn mate, this is bad. hope the best for you & your grow

 

[HansHanf]

...
will see it the next 7 days if i cut them off or not...tea

i keep my fingers crossed yor you buddy

you`ll get aware of these probs ...
leaving positive karma and good vibes ...

hans

 

[Tokesome]

I`d have though that 13/11 would be ok, its not like giving them long vegging times? I`m not absolutely sure, but I dont think its significant.

No tip burn showing then? I know some plants like higher ec values, but man there are so many that cant take it and anything over ec1.2 and can be enough to really fuck with the rootzone.

Hope you find a happy compromise mate. On my two different strains in the current grow, I had to use two separate rez`s and feed line set ups as I couldn`t feed the compromise between their different needs, and the difference is only 1.2 for one and 1.5 fot the other.

I didn`t mean to imply that you didn`t know how to mix yer nutes tho mate, that`s for sure.

Cheers, Toke

 

[tea]

hey mates thanks for your compassion

I`d have though that 13/11 would be ok, its not like giving them long vegging times? I`m not absolutely sure, but I dont think its significant.

sure, it's ok but not for my low room...cannot handle giant plants

and i've found a good compromise. i've slowly increased the ec for all 3 strains up to ec1.8 and today the plants looking really nice,have not stretched so much the last days and the bc plants has starts flowering,too after i minimize the light down to 10/14.
...tomorrow i start to increase the light hours slowly again up to 12/12. and i think all will be fine

also i had a problem with high humidity the last days but after cutting all the crop from the lower floors the humiditiy is fine again. it was simply to much plant material there with this giant plants in my little room

cya,tea

 

[tea]

UPDATE:
some shots from the last days

cya, tea​