Extremely Urgent help needed identifying catastrophic repeating problem

[LonelyNerd]

If you think its the tap water may be pythium. Even if there is no sign of root damage on the present crop, the spores could have survived from other grows. Lack of beneficial microbes means they keep living.imo everything, tools, pots and ol roots. If you change the water, the fungal infection is still there and wont do much to control it. Its a common problem here. If you are watering regularly, wait and let the coco and soil mix dry out. i hope its a pH or nute prob. goodluck

 

[Danny-boy777]

I dont only mean the General plan, Im talking about the little things people add in at different time's. Like superthrive and all that over added rubbish,

I read your post completely but there are often things that people assume aren't the problem when In actual fact these additives or elements in your WATER, I don't have all the answers but I am definitely only trying to help, Notice my post are simple speculations.

You know as well as I that with these guys it could be anything.

But Noted I will simply watch from here on.

For all I know the initial soil/coco mix has things that are not so cool inside.Its not always enough either.

 

[cyber echo]

Guys if you can suggest experiments to try rather than just throw guesses at what is happening it would be most appreciated.

 

[cyber echo]

I dont only mean the General plan, Im talking about the little things people add in at different time's. Like superthrive and all that over added rubbish
...
For all I know the initial soil mix has things that are not so cool inside.

The same is happening in a control group that is soil-less and has recieved nothing but ph'd water, tried both chemical (canna) and organic ph-. Same shit. Coco (nute-free) or Soil (nutes present).

 

[LonelyNerd]

The same is happening in a control group that is soil-less and has recieved nothing but ph'd water.

read my last post.

 

[cyber echo]

I just saw it.
I will investigate...

I did purge my cab with anti-baterial and left it empty for a few days before two grows.
Pots are different, soil is a new bag.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Some areas start using chloramine during the summer, or up the amount they use significantly, as the warmer temps require more aggressive disinfection.

The timing of your issue, "a few months ago" as you mentioned, makes me wonder if your area didn't do this when your issues started.

Stuff could be building up in your medium until it reaches problem-levels.

I have a super cheap solution for chloramine though, and I will paste it below. I recommend you mix some of this treatment up and try feeding a plant or 2, and then maybe feed some other affected plants straight RO water, thus you could eliminate chloramine or something else in the tap causing problems at the same time.

Anyways.. Here's my treatment method for chloramine -

I use Vitamin C tablets to treat my tap water for chlorine & chloramine. 1 500mg vitamin c tablet will treat 20 gallons of water for chloramine at a safe estimate of 2-3ppm, so I'm basically treating 5000 gallons for 5-6 dollars.

My method is to fill up a 20oz bottle half way, so about 10oz of water, then add 3-4 vitamin c tablets. After the tablets break down, I remove the extra stuff in the tablets with a coffee filter. Then I keep the bottle in the fridge and use 1 tsp (5ml) per gallon to treat for the chloramine. Scale up based on your needs.

My plants have been very healthy using this water, so I recommend it as a plant-safe and super-inexpensive treatment for chlorine and chloramine.

Oh yeah, avoid the cheaper tablets with rose hips.. You want just "Ascorbic Acid" as the source of vitamin c.

I've based my calculations on a commercial dechlorination product called Vita-D-Chlor, which is Ascorbic Acid. http://www.vita-d-chlor.com/

I still stand by this method hardcore years later. All my best rounds have been tap fed with the ascorbic acid treatment.

 

[cyber echo]

^^
I think we are starting to get somewhere.
I will investigate...
The bottle'd water plant will prove something is wrong with tap water soon enough.

Thanks Bongjangles...

 

[Danny-boy777]

"often things that people assume aren't the problem when In actual fact these additives or elements in your WATER."

I dont think Im crazy.

 

[LonelyNerd]

soil is a new bag.

Primarily a soil-borne disease, but can be by water splash. It is present in all cultivated soils and non-pasteurised growing media. Can be aggravated by your water source. Treat your water to Bojangles instructions, it will rid the water of chloramine and anything else thats whacking your plants.

 

[cyber echo]

Treat your water to Bojangles instructions, it will rid the water of chloramine and anything else thats whacking your plants.

Will do,
Not like there's more options to try lol.

 

[Ickis]

In the hospital we get patients that we don't really know what is wrong with them. Especially infection type situations or cardiac problems. With infections they hit them with 2 or 3 different antibiotics at the same time while they wait for blood cultures to come back (couple days). Or a heart problem where they have to slow it down, make it beat harder, reduce pre load and after load until they figure out what exactly is wrong. What the hell am I saying? ...

You need to go into emergency life support kitchen sink therapy.

Water source... distilled water with some superthrive. Now you know what is in the water.

Add a mosquito dunk to distilled water and flush the plants with that to kill potential medium dwellers. Then water with superthrive mix after that.

Spray the plants with Imunox Plus and weak foliar fertilizer mix. This will systemically kill most diseases and pests and feed the plants some if the medium and roots are the problem.

Put at least one plant out of the grow area. On a window sill or under a shoplight somewhere to rule out the grow area as a problem. If that plant improves and the others don't you have something in the grow. Like off gassing but it could be bad paint like the antimold coatings. They can harm plants.

If they all improve you can start to water one plant with your tap water and see if it turns bad again. Then you know the water is the problem.

You don't really need to know what is wrong if you logically treat anything that could be possibly wrong.

Bad water.... check
root critters.. check
plant disease. check
nutrition..... check
environment.. check

There I have suggested what to do without knowing what is wrong. Now get in your scrubs and treat your patients.

 

[cyber echo]

Apologies for my earlier edgy tone... I'm so frustrated and fed-up with this same exact problem. The plants growing in soil where doing so at an explosive rate 3 days ago, and now they are starting to tumble like their siblings in coco. I had been hoping the coco was at fault, but looks like it is definitely the tap water.
I'm going to put more investigation into the tap water itself, but any more suggestions would be appreciated.

Does chloromine toxicity look like what I am having ?
This I am not so sure of yet.

I am going to let my tap water sit for 24hours before using it, and use bottled water for some plants to see the difference...
I really want to save these plants in soil before they die tho ... time is of the essence..

 

[Albertine]

If you are watering with runoff, I'd try not watering that much. Magnesium deficiencies (interveinal chlorosis and tip burning) are rampant on this forum and I have gotten them promptly every time I water even a little too much. I know it's heresy to not water for runoff here, but just try it. The best looking plants I have right now have not had any runoff. Magnesium is very easily leached from soils.
I would also try another soil mix - coco has it's own set of problems. Try a basic peat mix amended with some earthworm castings for starters, or if you feel squeamish about using that for seedlings, just try a basic charged peat mix. I've started Mandala seeds in a heavily amended soil and no problems.
You don't have a burn, you have a mag deficiency. Just try it.

 

[cyber echo]

Guys..
I don't want to say it is working ...yet
But it seems the vitamin c is doing its thing.
No new yellow blotches/chlorosis and the burn on one of the plants stopped progressing and the others didn't get any burn !
All growing now..
But will update in a week, just to put a conclusion to this thread.

 

[LonelyNerd]

Guys..
I don't want to say it is working ...yet
But it seems the vitamin c is doing its thing.
No new yellow blotches/chlorosis and the burn on one of the plants stopped progressing and the others didn't get any burn !
All growing now..
But will update in a week, just to put a conclusion to this thread.

Thats good news, at least something is working.

Thanks for the update, we will keep posted.

 

[cyber echo]

Balls.
Still same shit, I ordered a damn RO filter.
Will update after using RO.

 

[mothersucker]

Tell me about your tap water. (Chances are you can find the analysis online through Google on your utility company's website.)

Tell me what nutes (as in, how much) you're feeding them.

Explain to me why you think this is not a P deficiency.

Don't yell at me, or I'll snap your cyber neck in half.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

use a product called NUTRIBOOST. or SUPER Thrive. they help cure diseases and has all kinds of good hormones. try both, some plants like one or the other or both. start with a weak solution first because the stuff is strong. also try giving it some molasses for carbs. molasses prevents lock out.

 

[mrwags]

Tell me about your tap water. (Chances are you can find the analysis online through Google on your utility company's website.)

Tell me what nutes (as in, how much) you're feeding them.

Explain to me why you think this is not a P deficiency.

Don't yell at me, or I'll snap your cyber neck in half.

Can you please explain how almost every thread you post in you stir up shit like this and then when you get the response you want you report it saying you are the one feeling threatened?

It's an honest question that in no way shape or form is attacking you so if you could either give an answer or please leave these fine folks alone for I feel they don't want your help on this on.


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Mr.Wags