Arnold signs SB 1449 into law.

[jj.thecarnivore]

Yesssss!
First of all! Maybe people will actually start relaxing in this country after all. Keep up the changes!!!! Yeeeee... being easy, kind, mellow, happy.. not so bad

nice list 215forLife on the first page... pure goo male.. good to know! Thanks.

 

[SCF]

The amount of misinformation and general bullshit in this thread is astounding.

So this anti prop 19 huh? Whoever said its all about money is the only one with any common sense here. Money makes the world go around.

The big deal for the public is you don't get a criminal record for possession of under an ounce now. That is a big deal to a lot of people. Say you go through a divorce and have to deal with custody issues. It doesn't look good to the judge deciding if you get to see your kids if you have a misdemeanor drug possession charge on your record.

So, someone in this thread pretty much proved my point. They said, this new prop. sounds good, I might have to move to cali. Thats what every pot smoking miscreant all over is saying. I don't want them in cali. I don't want drug tourism in cali. Why do you think the dutch government wants to ban it in Amsterdam? Because it sucks, and thats the only reason any one goes there.

I love how everyone thinks if prop 19 passes weed is just going to be magically legalized everywhere else. Prop 19 isn't even legalization in the first place. At this point its not even so much prop 19 that i don't like, its just all the idiots that are going along with it because they think its legalization. Slightly less illegal, not legal, just for the record, and it doesn't change a damn thing federally, which is where the most work needs to be done. Prop 19 will not stop the DEA, just makes it easier for them as people become more careless, because weed is legalized, right?

As far as not legalizing hemp, and not supporting prop 19, I would say that has a lot to do with image and public perception, not so much with personal opinion. Not everyone in cali is a pothead. They have to try and remain politically correct with everyone, and try and make everyone happy, and it would be the equivalent of career suicide for a politician to support anything weed related now a days. You can't blame them either, their jobs depend on it. What would you do faced with that decision? I for one, would choose to say what I thought was the politically correct thing and keep my job.

If you take off your pothead hat, and put on your common sense hat for 5 minutes, this is all pretty obvious. People are very passionate about weed, its a sensitive subject. That passion and love for our favorite hobby can sometimes lead to some clouded one sided view points. Try and put yourself in there shoes and see it from there perspective, and keep in mind not all politicians are evil pieces of shit, just most of them.

BTW If you get caught with weed, you're an idiot and deserve a 100 dollar fine, just my opinion. Feel free to not like it.

but on the flip side. think about the money we will make off tourism.

 

[jj.thecarnivore]

good point. we should also consider what the ramifications that are in this new misdemeanor and 100 dollar fine vs going full legal.

I do think this being signed will possibly leave a lot of people pretty neutral. I heard concern that legalization would lead to taxation and unwanted tourism... I also think about the tobacco industry.. I am more thinking about somewhere I remember hearing that it was illegal to grow your own tobacco.. I am not sure if this is because it is a rapid reproducer and considered an invasive weed... however, one can make their own liquor...

I would like to see more use of hemp, however.. really I think I would just like to see the use of organic material more often, and I dont think it really has to be hemp... but hemp is good material. .. so hey,


As for herb,
I really dont want to pay anything for it... I want to be able to grow it like a tomatoe if I damb well please...
As for those making money in the trade, hey I applaude you! takes courage, and your in a good market at a good time because the cash is high, but the risk is great... And I believe this is a high enough value crop that your buisness could still boom. I wish you could decide what your contribution of taxes was going to support... I would support youth rec centers and parks Unfortunately my checks still get cut up and fed to the man....

As for the Man, I read a someone talking about the Feds vs the state.. a good point was brought up. In order for the country to chill the fuck out, the states have to chill the fuck out first.

Hope we can keep the positivity up and relize less stress is better. But truly, and this is a tangent... but until humans can keep their fucking populations down, unfortunately its always going to be about the money....

no rest for the weary.... we're usually too to dodge... we just deal.

Some people here locally have been saying some things which are confusing me on the whole legal status of Ganja in California. The gist of what people are saying is that Governor Schwarzenegger signed some kind of law which made possession of up to an ounce only an "infraction" rather than a misdemeanor, so that cannabis is essentially decriminalized in California.

If this is the case I say fuck Prop 19, I would not want to put the regulation of sales and taxes up to my local jurisdiction because my local jurisdiction fucking sucks ass (bible belt motherfuckers).

So ya, is there any truth to this or is it some kind of rumor being spread?

 

[element420]

Michigan needs to follow suit. We have become a people ranching State that spends more money locking people behind bars than on Education. Our State almost bankrupt twice. Granholm your term is almost over but get your head out of your ass. Prisons and Jails are for Violent and dangerous offenders..Pardon everyone locked up for simple marijuana possesion( I know thats a long shot) and Sign the same type of Bill Arnold has. It will save our Judicial system money hand over foot. Not to mention marijuana is on it's way to legalization in Detroit anyways..It's a far safer recreational drug than Heroin and crack cocaine...maybe it will chill out the real bad urban areas where drug use is rampant...It's sad that in most of Detroit it's easier to get crack and heroin than it is to get some good herb....I am suprised that alot of people are still slamming Arnold after signing something that is important to the scene and movement..why people are jaded about this beyond me..I could only hope our Governor would do something like this to help Michigan...we are always flirting with state bankruptcy here and the police state against marijuana is killing people and hurting peoples lives and freedoms...Leo and the marijuana prohibtion here in MI is more dangerous than Herb itself..

 

[SCF]

I'll be back for an Ounce of OG Kush!!

Yes LOL

 

[CaptainTrips]

good point. we should also consider what the ramifications that are in this new misdemeanor and 100 dollar fine vs going full legal.

I do think this being signed will possibly leave a lot of people pretty neutral. I heard concern that legalization would lead to taxation and unwanted tourism... I also think about the tobacco industry.. I am more thinking about somewhere I remember hearing that it was illegal to grow your own tobacco.. I am not sure if this is because it is a rapid reproducer and considered an invasive weed... however, one can make their own liquor...

Growing your own tobacco is legal in the US and many other places. Making "liquor" at home is illegal in most places outside of New Zealand. By liquor I assume you mean distilled spirits rather than wine and beer which is of coarse legal in the US and many other places.

 

[tequila_sunrise]

... and this is a tangent... but until humans can keep their fucking populations down, unfortunately its always going to be about the money....

no rest for the weary.... we're usually too to dodge... we just deal.

Illuminati Much?

 

[Stress_test]

The amount of misinformation and general bullshit in this thread is astounding.

So this anti prop 19 huh? Whoever said its all about money is the only one with any common sense here. Money makes the world go around.

The big deal for the public is you don't get a criminal record for possession of under an ounce now. That is a big deal to a lot of people. Say you go through a divorce and have to deal with custody issues. It doesn't look good to the judge deciding if you get to see your kids if you have a misdemeanor drug possession charge on your record.

True enough, however that really is a big deal. It means that if a person goes and buys an oz for medicinal use and gets stopped on their way home they won't be arrested. It means that if a person is having a bbq in their backyard smoking w/ friends and family and an asshole neighbor calls leo because the radio is a bit too loud nobody goes to jail. It means that a person can sit on their porch and watch the sunset while relaxing with a bowl.

So, someone in this thread pretty much proved my point. They said, this new prop. sounds good, I might have to move to cali. Thats what every pot smoking miscreant all over is saying. I don't want them in cali. I don't want drug tourism in cali. Why do you think the dutch government wants to ban it in Amsterdam? Because it sucks, and thats the only reason any one goes there.

Nobody wants to live anyplace that is populated with "pot smoking miscreants". But I can say for an absolute fact that if MMJ was not legal in my state; I would move someplace where I would not be considered a "miscreant" or a criminal for using the only medication that I have found helps me.

I love how everyone thinks if prop 19 passes weed is just going to be magically legalized everywhere else. Prop 19 isn't even legalization in the first place. At this point its not even so much prop 19 that i don't like, its just all the idiots that are going along with it because they think its legalization. Slightly less illegal, not legal, just for the record, and it doesn't change a damn thing federally, which is where the most work needs to be done. Prop 19 will not stop the DEA, just makes it easier for them as people become more careless, because weed is legalized, right?

As far as not legalizing hemp, and not supporting prop 19, I would say that has a lot to do with image and public perception, not so much with personal opinion. Not everyone in cali is a pothead. They have to try and remain politically correct with everyone, and try and make everyone happy, and it would be the equivalent of career suicide for a politician to support anything weed related now a days. You can't blame them either, their jobs depend on it. What would you do faced with that decision? I for one, would choose to say what I thought was the politically correct thing and keep my job.

If you take off your pothead hat, and put on your common sense hat for 5 minutes, this is all pretty obvious. People are very passionate about weed, its a sensitive subject. That passion and love for our favorite hobby can sometimes lead to some clouded one sided view points. Try and put yourself in there shoes and see it from there perspective, and keep in mind not all politicians are evil pieces of shit, just most of them.

BTW If you get caught with weed, you're an idiot and deserve a 100 dollar fine, just my opinion. Feel free to not like it.

I think that you are missing the point. California is almost always the leader in America as far as our laws go.

But the impact of this reaches far beyond the borders of California, consider this:

Since California has legalized the use marijuana can a state or city government of another state deprive their employees the rights of a US citizen to smoke marijuana in California? This will be a major question of law that may have to be answered by the Supreme Court.

For example, suppose I am an employee in my state and off duty I purchase marijuana from my local pot dealer and smoke it. Then 20 days later I take a urinalysis and am found positive for THC? Can they fire me?

I wouldn't think so, because it's now legal to smoke in California and who’s to say I didn't visit California and smoke weed. It's a requirement of Constitutional law, because a person has to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. And a person shouldn't be required to produce travel records (it's their duty to prove otherwise) and who’s to say I didn't drive to Cali, if I just came off of 10 days vacation?

Furthermore public opinion has for years been influenced by the BS propaganda dispersed by the government. As individual states lighten their restrictions on marijuana the opinions of public/people/voters changes as well. "If it is legal to possess an ounce then it can't be as bad as the government has told us all these years".

That my friends is a huge victory because it is the opinion of the voters that will either win or lose the war for complete decriminalization...

I personally don't care if it is ever made legal as long as it is decriminalized... I don't need somebody to tell me it's okay to smoke; but it really pisses me to be told that I am a criminal if I do.

 

[tequila_sunrise]

...For example, suppose I am an employee in my state and off duty I purchase marijuana from my local pot dealer and smoke it. Then 20 days later I take a urinalysis and am found positive for THC? Can they fire me?

I wouldn't think so, because it's now legal to smoke in California and who’s to say I didn't visit California and smoke weed. It's a requirement of Constitutional law, because a person has to be assumed innocent until proven guilty. And a person shouldn't be required to produce travel records (it's their duty to prove otherwise) and who’s to say I didn't drive to Cali, if I just came off of 10 days vacation?[/B]

Please show me where in the Consitution it says that you are innocent until proven guilty (also the part where it says employers can't fire you for this). Just because it is said at the start of cops, it doesn't mean that it is true (or the law).

You are profiled all the time and nobody is arrested or fined for it unless it is discrimination.

the idea of innocent until proven guilty is a myth.

 

[guest396]

It actually was decriminalized already.

It was punishable by a $100 fine.

Now it is punishable by a $100 fine, but you can't request any legal proceedings regarding it.

see now, this is where i was headed w the matter... they still have leverage to fuck you and as the mustard spread it out for ya, you don't got a leg to stand on...

looks like leant o'er a barrel is where they want you to be.

I totally agree with this--
What do some of you mean there is no reason now for Prop 19??
They can still search you and your home for weed--
They can still fine you for it--
You still lose your shit--
Smell of weed is Probable Cause for search--

Vote Yes on 19--

now as stated above you still give them rights depending on where your ounce or less is found/smelled/viewed/discovered, in other fucks, you get to let them continue in the rules they set, but the ones you can use to respond back have now changed. oh and now in addition, depending on where you got your ounce in ca, you pay $100. more than it cost you to not smoke it and STFU.....no legal recourse unless you're a potential trophy fish. there just using it to screen you.

 

[kmk420kali]

now as stated above you still give them rights depending on where your ounce or less is found/smelled/viewed/discovered, in other fucks, you get to let them continue in the rules they set, but the ones you can use to respond back have now changed. oh and now in addition, depending on where you got your ounce in ca, you pay $100. more than it cost you to not smoke it and STFU.....no legal recourse unless you're a potential trophy fish. there just using it to screen you.

That is a li'l confusing...but maybe you didn't catch what I was replying to when I said that--
The following quote is what I was replying to--

I think the timing of the governor signing this new law is no coincidence. I think he was hoping that people who don't really understand the difference between prop 19 and further decriminalization will think that prop 19 is no longer necessary. Based on the responses to this thread, that appears to be what is happening. Don't be fooled. Decriminalization is NOT the same as legalization.

I was agreeing that Arnold done this now, for a reason--
Vote Yes on 19, and it doesn't matter--

 

[guest396]

That is a li'l confusing...but maybe you didn't catch what I was replying to when I said that--
............
I was agreeing that Arnold done this now, for a reason--
Vote Yes on 19, and it doesn't matter--

nope got you loud and clear. did you get me though yet??? the politicians did. in other words they play the game knowing they control the rules, when your side of the rules gets changed and theirs didn't you must watch and consider why. i have just given you A "why". now you can pay an additional hundsky to have your weed taken away, but it's not a crime so what process do you take to fight it??? if you have that ounce in location to a residence or car, it could still mean probable cause..... do you follow? now you can only complain since your side has no teeth of a legal nature any longer, unless. Unless you do have more than an ounce, now it's a crime again, but to what degree is case by case specific. now they get to take your shit and tell you fuck off. or use it the way they always have to seek more possibly hidden "crime". your ability to speak up for your rights over the matter have now changed, remember some law organizations won't follow Medical marijuana "LAW"

 

[kmk420kali]

nope got you loud and clear. did you get me though yet??? the politicians did. in other words they play the game knowing they control the rules, when your side of the rules gets changed and theirs didn't you must watch and consider why. i have just given you A "why". now you can pay an additional hundsky to have your weed taken away, but it's not a crime so what process do you take to fight it??? if you have that ounce in location to a residence or car, it could still mean probable cause..... do you follow? now you can only complain since your side has no teeth of a legal nature any longer, unless. Unless you do have more than an ounce, now it's a crime again, but to what degree is case by case specific. now they get to take your shit and tell you fuck off. or use it the way they always have to seek more possibly hidden "crime". you ability to speak up for your rights over the matter have now changed, remember some law organizations won't follow Medical marijuana "LAW"

That is why I am confused bro-- I don't think that it was a step forward either-- I did not speak up for it, I said I think they done this to try and make the General Public think, "Welp, no need for Prop 19 now!!"
Vote Yes on 19..that will take away all the worries you listed above-- Fuck Arnold--