Strains in Jeopardy

[chefboy6969]

This is just my observation of the marijuana seed industry..OUR beloved plant is being watered down...I;ll explain..

I just went on seedbay as i usually do to peruse the strains and see if i want to spend my hard earned money..Well guess what..I DON'T and you wanna know WHY..

Cause all of the available seeds or most not all are watered down genetics...Chem this and OG that...I am just as quilty, I just did a pollen chuck if those 2 exact strains lol

BUT I think this community needs more breeders like ACE,TOM HILL and Cannabiogenn and MR.NICE not more guys like Rez and DG and Connoisseur Genetics...thay are just watering down things..I LOVE the time and effort they put in I just wish it was towards the good of the plant not the deterioration of the genetics...

Seriously when is the last time you grew a plant out that wasn't hybridized a million times over..I know I haven;t...We are all guilty..

LETS TRY AND PRESERVE some of these old genetics so we don't lose them forever..
Just my thoughts..thanks

peace
Chefboy

 

[Nirvana_Papaya]

Very true. There are some strains that were so popular 10 years ago, but are such a bitch to get now. Seems everyone moves onto the next big thing and leaves the past behind. It's pretty sad.

 

[chefboy6969]

Very true. There are some strains that were so popular 10 years ago, but are such a bitch to get now. Seems everyone moves onto the next big thing and leaves the past behind. It's pretty sad.

yes exactly Nirvana_Papaya..I remember C-99 and Blockhead being easily accessible..NOW you can;t find these strains or a strain like Casey Jones( it was available for 2 years on seedbay and no-one paid any attention) NOW everyone wants it and guess what..IT:S NOT AVAILABLE( I have some.hehehe)

The KUSH craze is sickening..people paying outrageous prices for Purple Kush this and OG that...now they have made Blueberry Kush crosses and Haze Kush crosses....I am getting dizzy just thinking about it

peace
Chefboy

 

[Iron_Lion]

yes exactly Nirvana_Papaya..I remember C-99 and Blockhead being easily accessible..NOW you can;t find these strains or a strain like Casey Jones( it was available for 2 years on seedbay and no-one paid any attention) NOW everyone wants it and guess what..IT:S NOT AVAILABLE( I have some.hehehe)

The KUSH craze is sickening..people paying outrageous prices for Purple Kush this and OG that...now they have made Blueberry Kush crosses and Haze Kush crosses....I am getting dizzy just thinking about it

peace
Chefboy

c99 is available everyday of the week, not to mention 9 million crosses. CJ was available earlier this year too. the watering down happened when skunk was bred in to everything. this og/ chem thing thats happening now well there is a reason for that, these are dank strains. whats the sense of hanging on to an old strain thats good but not great.

 

[chefboy6969]

c99 is available everyday of the week, not to mention 9 million crosses. CJ was available earlier this year too. the watering down happened when skunk was bred in to everything. this og/ chem thing thats happening now well there is a reason for that, these are dank strains. whats the sense of hanging on to an old strain thats good but not great.

Iron Lion I agree with the hanging on to dank strains..I just made a Chem x OG Kush..because I know how good these strains are and I want them for life...BUT that being said..I still feel that the genes these days are watered down..and I don't think we have skunk to blame for it..I think we have to blame ourselves...for the lack of PRESERVATION ..I personally make f2's of any strain I want to keep for the remainder of my life on this wonderful planet..BUT I think too many seem to forget about the parents and just move on to the kids..just how i feel..

peace
Chefboy

 

[Aab]

word

 

[Ganja D]

yes exactly Nirvana_Papaya..I remember C-99 and Blockhead being easily accessible..NOW you can;t find these strains or a strain like Casey Jones( it was available for 2 years on seedbay and no-one paid any attention) NOW everyone wants it and guess what..IT:S NOT AVAILABLE( I have some.hehehe)

The KUSH craze is sickening..people paying outrageous prices for Purple Kush this and OG that...now they have made Blueberry Kush crosses and Haze Kush crosses....I am getting dizzy just thinking about it

peace
Chefboy

C99 and BlockHead are both polly hybrids. Even the most stable and worked strains are polly hybrids if you think about it in a literal sense.
I agree many strains available today are watered down but many are very,very good.

 

[VagPuncher]

Romulan

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

...I think this community needs more breeders like ACE,TOM HILL and Cannabiogenn and MR.NICE...

I agree with the above part 100%! The choice of breeder is really up to the individual grower though and we should all feel fortunate that we have such a wide selection of genetics to choose from.

That said, someone wanting to grow so-and-so's kush or og or whatever has zero effect on my seed buying decisions. I think everyone should grow whatever helps them the most and go from there.

Tastes do seem to change over time and it seems like most breeders are trying to stay ahead of the curve by combining known good strains instead of working on a few specific lines. This hasn't really changed much over the years and it ain't gonna change anytime soon.

People can be fickle and easily bored. The seed business hasn't been about maintaining genetics for quite some time now. Seems it's more about trying to find the flavor of the month, slap a cool name on it, and sell the shit out of it while you can, lol.

On one hand, I agree that those of us who like the older strains should try to preserve what we feel are quality genetics. On the other hand, if everyone did that, we wouldn't have anything new to work with. Kind of a funny conundrum.

HB.

 

[chefboy6969]

I agree with the above part 100%! The choice of breeder is really up to the individual grower though and we should all feel fortunate that we have such a wide selection of genetics to choose from.

That said, someone wanting to grow so-and-so's kush or og or whatever has zero effect on my seed buying decisions. I think everyone should grow whatever helps them the most and go from there.

Tastes do seem to change over time and it seems like most breeders are trying to stay ahead of the curve by combining known good strains instead of working on a few specific lines. This hasn't really changed much over the years and it ain't gonna change anytime soon.

People can be fickle and easily bored. The seed business hasn't been about maintaining genetics for quite some time now. Seems it's more about trying to find the flavor of the month, slap a cool name on it, and sell the shit out of it while you can, lol.

On one hand, I agree that those of us who like the older strains should try to preserve what we feel are quality genetics. On the other hand, if everyone did that, we wouldn't have anything new to work with. Kind of a funny conundrum.

HB.

very well said..good post Hemphrey Bogart

peace
Chefboy

 

[Motta-Tokka]

I see more seed companies doing the strain hunter thing in the future. I see this as being the only way of getting some very close to true genetics if you see it growing wild. Even getting it from farmers in that country has a chance of it already being genetically tampered by the grower.

Downsides of that being the species possibly not wanting to adapt to other conditions among many other possible negatives. I find it very interesting though as I have never smoked a "wild" bush.

It also annoys me to hear of a new strain every day that's just another cross of something. I can only justify this as being better for us in the end as hopefully the crosses are better than the two strains separately. That is the point of crossing strains in my opinion to get certain good parts and trying to implement them into the next generation along with the goods of the other parent.

Like the movie Twins with Arnold and Danny?

 

[DocLeaf]

Some breeders work on maintaining genetics,, others work on innovating them. So long as someone is doing both , then it's all positive. Peace

 

[Throwgar]

Watering down? Are you crazy? Cannabis is evolving to suit our needs as we selectively breed our desired traits. Weed has only gotten better in my opinion.

 

[Herbal extasy]

If thread title is question, then answer could be Sensi Seeds stuff.

 

[igrowone]

i believe the reason is pretty straight forward, how do you maintain 10,000+ strains, and still growing(10,000 is just a guess)
somebody has to run them, and maintain the line
kind of like heirloom vegetables, it's hard to motivate to keep everything
after a while you have to give up something old to have something new

 

[Guest 150314]

Romulan

Next gen still has it..

 

[KindBudKid]

Next gen still has it..

Next Gen's Romulan is watered down..

 

[chefboy6969]

Next Gen's Romulan is watered down..

Kindbudkid for making my point exactly, I wish I had the sense to grab a pack from Federation of Romulan back in 2000(10 years back HOLY FUCK I am showing my age) before it became WATERED DOWN...what do you think is happening with the new flavour of the month Kush...watered down...soon you won;t be able to get a pure unadulterated OG Kush strain..it will be crossed with Haze or a Indica type strain to increase yields which will decrease potency...It always happens WATERED DOWN GENETICS...

and due to the fact the people only use and depend on clones and if they trade they give each others diseases and are never able to keep the clone so they lose the strain...IF YOU MAKE F2;s or inbreed once you keep the genes you hold so dear and create a more stable strain..eventual created an IBL if you so choose...



ps GOOD LUCK FINDING A ROAD KILL SKUNK THESE DAYS just to prove my point..or for that matter try finding a real true original Northern Lights its all crossed and re-crossed and the ORIGINAL is gone FOREVER

peace
Chefboy

 

[DocLeaf]

The hybrids we stock at FRT grow bigger, quicker, and with more vigor than the landrace IBLs we keep. The difference in effects is of course subjective.

kind of like heirloom vegetables, it's hard to motivate to keep everything
after a while you have to give up something old to have something new

As seed guardians we maintain several heirloom lines at FRT (veggie and ganja), but as you say, the onus is on other breeders to start maintaining other varieties independently. It's all about co-op'ing genetics out to reliable growers that are willing to put something back into the community. Those that take, take, keep, without putting anything back, are what we call "waste-man".

peace n flowers
dL

 

[DRorganic]

soon every strain will be the same .it will be bread with all the strains some time in its life time .all will have haze northern lights skunk kalimist og,sourd,a littel bit of every strain. all rolled up into on plant. and the one with the right combo of genetics or pheno will be the strain of the year,