F##king stupid animal rights assholes

[supermanlives]

i did give up eating veal tho as i saw how they were raised and felt guilty. but everything else is fair game

 

[genkisan]

LOL, so Mr. Angry Man aka Genkisan, explain to me something then...if animals were not put here for our consumption (fish, meat, poultry, etc.) why has the human race ate them for thousands - if not millions - of years?

Because they got boners when they did it?

UH...because in most areas...that was all the food that was around..

It's the cycle of life...the food chain...did you forget this part in school? Animals eat other animals, insects eat other insects, it's the way OF LIFE. TIS the definition of CARNIVORE.

Meat tastes good. Eggs taste good. Chicken and fish taste good - and they are some of the BEST foods for humans to eat - high in protein and carbs which helps muscle building and energy - of which only SOME vegetables provide while ALL meat provides this.

If the world worked in the way I wanted I would live on a farm near woods/lakes/streams, grow my own veggies and raise my own chickens, cattle, and horses (for transportation, duh) and be completely solar, wind and geothermal-powered. Would also have 2 huge outdoor greenhouses for weed!

We are not carnivores, hate to break it to you.

We are omnivores, and are equipped to eat meat occasionally at best. And sure, there have been many points in our history where it was convenient/efficient etc.

If you raise it or hunt it and are able to do the killing cleaning etc without getting all squeemish, then that's fine by me.

But there is no way that you can justify supporting the extremely evil and extraordinarily toxic(environmentally) factory farm industry because of what folks did a couple thousands of years ago or throwing out the "food chain" argument.

As well.....anyone who eats meat should see the animal die. If you can't kill and clean it yourself and accept what you are doing (causing the death of a living thing) then you should not be eating it. I have way less issues with hunters than with folks who can't cut up a raw chicken cuz it's 'gross', but will eat a chicken breast sandwich.

Life is about change and evolution.....we have gotten to the point where our planet cannot viably support 6 billion+ people who eat meat every day, and we have gotten to the point where we do not need to take lives in order to feed ourselves.

For the animals, it is Auschwitz every day....
Isaac Bashevis Singer

 

[supermanlives]

nothing better than being elbow deep in blood from your deer kill. makes me howl at the sky. i think that everyone that eats animals should see how they are raised and get to kill one too

 

[Panoramical]

We are not carnivores, hate to break it to you.

We are omnivores, and are equipped to eat meat occasionally at best. And sure, there have been many points in our history where it was convenient/efficient etc.

If you raise it or hunt it and are able to do the killing cleaning etc without getting all squeemish, then that's fine by me.

But there is no way that you can justify supporting the extremely evil and extraordinarily toxic(environmentally) factory farm industry because of what folks did a couple thousands of years ago or throwing out the "food chain" argument.

As well.....anyone who eats meat should see the animal die. If you can't kill and clean it yourself and accept what you are doing (causing the death of a living thing) then you should not be eating it. I have way less issues with hunters than with folks who can't cut up a raw chicken cuz it's 'gross', but will eat a chicken breast sandwich.

Life is about change and evolution.....we have gotten to the point where our planet cannot viably support 6 billion+ people who eat meat every day, and we have gotten to the point where we do not need to take lives in order to feed ourselves.

I see what you're saying. I think everyone should have to experience it, maybe not go through it everyday though. I had to kill a chicken for the first time this year, it was fucking delicious. But I can't get myself live chicken and don't have anywhere to keep them if I did.

 

[Cookie monster]

nothing better than being elbow deep in blood from your deer kill. makes me howl at the sky. i think that everyone that eats animals should see how they are raised and get to kill one too

Are you a werewolf?

 

[Japanfreakier]

But there is no way that you can justify supporting the extremely evil and extraordinarily toxic(environmentally) factory farm industry because of what folks did a couple thousands of years ago or throwing out the "food chain" argument.

Evil? Darth Vader is raising chickens? Hitler is the handy boy? It's food, get over it.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

omg i cant believe these CannaTerrorists. they have websites all over the internet telling people how to grow cannabis. then they pollute the natural environment by introducing new species of cannabis with no natural enemies into a new environment where they will grow wild and cause irreparable damage. GODDAMN THOSE FUCKING HIPPIES!!!

yeah that was sarcasm. fuck the mink factories, fuck you, fuck ireland. animals should be free to roam the land, hording them and raising them in cages is not natural. why? so you can have a $20,000 jacket? laff. fuck your fur coat too.

 

[genkisan]

Evil? Darth Vader is raising chickens? Hitler is the handy boy? It's food, get over it.

Why don't you inform yourself about what you are so casually blowing off before you do so...?

Read about Smithfield Pork....

Smithfield Foods, the largest and most profitable pork processor in the world, killed 27 million hogs last year. That's a number worth considering. A slaughter-weight hog is fifty percent heavier than a person. The logistical challenge of processing that many pigs each year is roughly equivalent to butchering and boxing the entire human populations of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose, Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, San Francisco, Columbus, Austin, Memphis, Baltimore, Fort Worth, Charlotte, El Paso, Milwaukee, Seattle, Boston, Denver, Louisville, Washington, D.C., Nashville, Las Vegas, Portland, Oklahoma City and Tucson.

Smithfield Foods actually faces a more difficult task than transmogrifying the populations of America's thirty-two largest cities into edible packages of meat. Hogs produce three times more excrement than human beings do. The 500,000 pigs at a single Smithfield subsidiary in Utah generate more fecal matter each year than the 1.5 million inhabitants of Manhattan. The best estimates put Smithfield's total waste discharge at 26 million tons a year. That would fill four Yankee Stadiums. Even when divided among the many small pig production units that surround the company's slaughterhouses, that is not a containable amount.

Smithfield estimates that its total sales will reach $11.4 billion this year. So prodigious is its fecal waste, however, that if the company treated its effluvia as big-city governments do -- even if it came marginally close to that standard -- it would lose money. So many of its contractors allow great volumes of waste to run out of their slope-floored barns and sit blithely in the open, untreated, where the elements break it down and gravity pulls it into groundwater and river systems. Although the company proclaims a culture of environmental responsibility, ostentatious pollution is a linchpin of Smithfield's business model.

A lot of pig shit is one thing; a lot of highly toxic pig shit is another. The excrement of Smithfield hogs is hardly even pig shit: On a continuum of pollutants, it is probably closer to radioactive waste than to organic manure. The reason it is so toxic is Smithfield's efficiency. The company produces 6 billion pounds of packaged pork each year. That's a remarkable achievement, a prolificacy unimagined only two decades ago, and the only way to do it is to raise pigs in astonishing, unprecedented concentrations.

Smithfield's pigs live by the hundreds or thousands in warehouse-like barns, in rows of wall-to-wall pens. Sows are artificially inseminated and fed and delivered of their piglets in cages so small they cannot turn around. Forty fully grown 250-pound male hogs often occupy a pen the size of a tiny apartment. They trample each other to death. There is no sunlight, straw, fresh air or earth. The floors are slatted to allow excrement to fall into a catchment pit under the pens, but many things besides excrement can wind up in the pits: afterbirths, piglets accidentally crushed by their mothers, old batteries, broken bottles of insecticide, antibiotic syringes, stillborn pigs -- anything small enough to fit through the foot-wide pipes that drain the pits. The pipes remain closed until enough sewage accumulates in the pits to create good expulsion pressure; then the pipes are opened and everything bursts out into a large holding pond.

The temperature inside hog houses is often hotter than ninety degrees. The air, saturated almost to the point of precipitation with gases from shit and chemicals, can be lethal to the pigs. Enormous exhaust fans run twenty-four hours a day. The ventilation systems function like the ventilators of terminal patients: If they break down for any length of time, pigs start dying.

From Smithfield's point of view, the problem with this lifestyle is immunological. Taken together, the immobility, poisonous air and terror of confinement badly damage the pigs' immune systems. They become susceptible to infection, and in such dense quarters microbes or parasites or fungi, once established in one pig, will rush spritelike through the whole population. Accordingly, factory pigs are infused with a huge range of antibiotics and vaccines, and are doused with insecticides. Without these compounds -- oxytetracycline, draxxin, ceftiofur, tiamulin -- diseases would likely kill them. Thus factory-farm pigs remain in a state of dying until they're slaughtered. When a pig nearly ready to be slaughtered grows ill, workers sometimes shoot it up with as many drugs as necessary to get it to the slaughterhouse under its own power. As long as the pig remains ambulatory, it can be legally killed and sold as meat.

The drugs Smithfield administers to its pigs, of course, exit its hog houses in pig shit. Industrial pig waste also contains a host of other toxic substances: ammonia, methane, hydrogen sulfide, carbon monoxide, cyanide, phosphorous, nitrates and heavy metals. In addition, the waste nurses more than 100 microbial pathogens that can cause illness in humans, including salmonella, cryptosporidium, streptocolli and girardia. Each gram of hog shit can contain as much as 100 million fecal coliform bacteria.

Smithfield's holding ponds -- the company calls them lagoons -- cover as much as 120,000 square feet. The area around a single slaughterhouse can contain hundreds of lagoons, some of which run thirty feet deep. The liquid in them is not brown. The interactions between the bacteria and blood and afterbirths and stillborn piglets and urine and excrement and chemicals and drugs turn the lagoons pink.

Even light rains can cause lagoons to overflow; major floods have transformed entire counties into pig-shit bayous. To alleviate swelling lagoons, workers sometimes pump the shit out of them and spray the waste on surrounding fields, which results in what the industry daintily refers to as "overapplication." This can turn hundreds of acres -- thousands of football fields -- into shallow mud puddles of pig shit. Tree branches drip with pig shit.

Some pig-farm lagoons have polyethylene liners, which can be punctured by rocks in the ground, allowing shit to seep beneath the liners and spread and ferment. Gases from the fermentation can inflate the liner like a hot-air balloon and rise in an expanding, accelerating bubble, forcing thousands of tons of feces out of the lagoon in all directions.

The lagoons themselves are so viscous and venomous that if someone falls in it is foolish to try to save him. A few years ago, a truck driver in Oklahoma was transferring pig shit to a lagoon when he and his truck went over the side. It took almost three weeks to recover his body. In 1992, when a worker making repairs to a lagoon in Minnesota began to choke to death on the fumes, another worker dived in after him, and they died the same death. In another instance, a worker who was repairing a lagoon in Michigan was overcome by the fumes and fell in. His fifteen-year-old nephew dived in to save him but was overcome, the worker's cousin went in to save the teenager but was overcome, the worker's older brother dived in to save them but was overcome, and then the worker's father dived in. They all died in pig shit.

The chairman of Smithfield Foods, Joseph Luter III, is a funny, jowly, canny, barbarous guy who lives in a multimillion-dollar condo on Park Avenue in Manhattan and conveys himself about the planet in a corporate jet and a private yacht. At sixty-seven, he is unrepentant in the face of criticism. He describes himself as a "tough man in a tough business" and his factories as wholly legitimate products of the American free market. He can be sardonic; he likes to mock his critics and rivals.

"The animal-rights people," he once said, "want to impose a vegetarian's society on the U.S. Most vegetarians I know are neurotic." When the Environmental Protection Agency cited Smithfield for thousands of violations of the Clean Water Act, Luter responded by comparing what he claimed were the number of violations the company could theoretically have been charged with (2.5 million, by his calculation) to the number of documented violations up to that point (seventy-four). "A very, very small percent," he said.

Luter grew up butchering hogs in his father's slaughterhouse, in the town of Smithfield, Virginia. When he took over the family business forty years ago, it was a local, marginally profitable meatpacking operation. Under Luter, Smithfield was soon making enough money to begin purchasing neighboring meatpackers. From the beginning, Luter thought monopolistically. He bought out his local competition until he completely dominated the regional pork-processing market.

But Luter was dissatisfied. The company was still buying most of its hogs from local farmers; Luter wanted to create a system, known as "total vertical integration," in which Smithfield controls every stage of production, from the moment a hog is born until the day it passes through the slaughterhouse. So he imposed a new kind of contract on farmers: The company would own the living hogs; the contractors would raise the pigs and be responsible for managing the hog shit and disposing of dead hogs. The system made it impossible for small hog farmers to survive -- those who could not handle thousands and thousands of pigs were driven out of business. "It was a simple matter of economic power," says Eric Tabor, chief of staff for Iowa's attorney general.

Smithfield's expansion was unique in the history of the industry: Between 1990 and 2005, it grew by more than 1,000 percent. In 1997 it was the nation's seventh-largest pork producer; by 1999 it was the largest. Smithfield now kills one of every four pigs sold commercially in the United States. As Smithfield expanded, it consolidated its operations, clustering millions of fattening hogs around its slaughterhouses. Under Luter, the company was turning into a great pollution machine: Smithfield was suddenly producing unheard-of amounts of pig shit laced with drugs and chemicals. According to the EPA, Smithfield's largest farm-slaughterhouse operation -- in Tar Heel, North Carolina -- dumps more toxic waste into the nation's water each year than all but three other industrial facilities in America.

I could post many many other examples of how the industrial production of meat is one of the most polluting activities on the planet, but I don't have the time right at this moment. If you insist on ranting on that "it's food, get over it", I'll do so later. Or you could look it up yourself.

 

[tonto]

fuck ireland

curse you ireland for humanely raising and killing mink for export

 

[Japanfreakier]

Why don't you inform yourself about what you are so casually blowing off before you do so...?

Read about Smithfield Pork....

No, I don't give a shit, I don't care if they make chickens listen to rick Ashley, only care what they go well with.

Evil is a human concept that means nothing.

 

[Cookie monster]

Evil? Darth Vader is raising chickens? Hitler is the handy boy? It's food, get over it.

It seems a pretty valid point to me.
Large farms are more like factory's and meat has become a product sold more in supermarkets than in butchers..

JF it's not just food, it's an animal that has been raised to be slaughtered for those who cant do it for themselves, at the least we owe these animals a healthy, happy, stress free life before they get the chop.

You are what you eat

 

[Japanfreakier]

JF it's not just food, it's an animal that has been raised to be slaughtered for those who cant do it for themselves

And that's a bad thing? I can pull out my wallet, that's doing for myself. That's civilization.

 

[supermanlives]

everyone that eats animals should have to kill and atleast be there for the butchering. otherwise no meat for you !!!! meat nazi

 

[supermanlives]

everyone should have to be liscened your liscence will read, i once had the opportuninty to watch an animal die and be processed so i can live.

 

[Japanfreakier]

Everybody who drives should be able to install an engine. That's obviously silly.

 

[Cookie monster]

fuck ireland.

No thanks, our government and the banks are doing that job quite nicely but thank you for the application we will keep your CV on file.

 

[supermanlives]

Everybody who drives should be able to install an engine. That's obviously silly.

not if you do actually know how to install an engine. i have saved atleast 20,000 over the years. LOL

 

[Japanfreakier]

I can't change the oil.

 

[Rudedewd]

I have mixed feelings about eating meat but to do something as stupid as release farmed animals into a native population obviously does nothing but harm.

As far as the food thang, sure we have been eating meat for millions of years but we do have freedom of choice. I don't personally put much credence into the bible but if Eve did offer Adam anything to taste it was a big bloody piece of meat not an apple, lolo. I myself do eat meat, I quit for a few years but I went back to it a couple years ago. Just because I do eat meat doesn't make it right to do so, it just means that I'm part of the flock that have been doing it since time immemorial. From contact with domestic animals I am convinced that animals have distinct personalities and so possess souls. That doesn't stop them from tasting good or me from eating them. Still doesn't make it right that I do though.

 

[Japanfreakier]

Plants don't have souls?