Wanna Ask The Old Farts A Question?

[DiscoBiscuit]

I'm with HK and Gold 123....

don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya

 

[HempKat]

The only thing that i can see that has changed some is RH....normally 50-55% but has gone down to as low as41% the day before yesterday.That isn't considered to low for flowering,not perfect but not too low.I'm at 51% as i type,lights on.

Father-in-law came over the other day and said the same thing you guys have said "never seen anything like that".Didn't want to hear that from a veteran grower.

FD

Yeah if rh is in the 40's it's not that, sorry man, you got me, I don't know. Hopefully someone here can at least point you in a good direction.

 

[HempKat]

More name calling? Great!!!

One would ask FLA how he knows all the buds on all three plants were lacking sticky if he doesn't molest but just the bottom buds occasionally? But I am on the sidelines I won't ask that. And I am not throwing any mean or nasty at FLA by saying that, I am just sayin...

Maybe because at some point recently he found the lower buds were no longer sticky and so he checked others and found they weren't sticky either? See that way he would know without having actually oogled all the buds prior to that last time.

Maybe also you could realize that just because things don't fit how you see them doesn't mean the person is lying? I doubt it though, that would take intelligence and open mindedness on your part. Two things you've demonstrated amply that you lack.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

High Old Farts, Young Farts and those In Between Farts. I'm old enough to know that there are many ways to skin a cat or that there are different strokes for different folks. There are times when fem seeds could work I think, as in my situation where I have a small grow and I actually gro about a weekly perpetual from seed. If I used fem seed my limited space would be put to more efficient use. I just tried making some colloidal silver yesterday and gave a lady seedling a good misting this morning. Only time and repeated applications will tell and then more time after that to test the beans. If it works then I'll make fems of all my beans.

I'm not saying that I endorse fems, I really have no opinion as of yet but I can see the advantage in certain situations. As far as commercially available fems I really have no interest as I have enough standard beans to last me quite awhile. I'll keep everyone here posted on the progress of the lady I chose to be a daddy, lol.

Enjoy the evening peoples

I made about a dozen varieties of Fems using Colloidal Silver over the past year. My friends an I are growing them Right Now, and they are in bud. Im running a female seed I made from a Humbolt elite clone ofSour Diesel I pollinated with a Female from a very old California strain (Purple Camo) I sprouted one seed only of that strain, It grew normal, Vegged and went into Bud. The bud smells like Concord Grape Fuel, and Im very stoked about the quality. The kool thing is..... I have about 50 sister seeds that will be almost Identical! I have also selfed the same purple Camo plant for seeds, but have not personally run them.

Just a footnote: I normally make all standard seeds, so this is My first run. I will continue to make mostly standard seeds. Im currently working on a breeding project with Neville Shoenmaker. He is interested in finding a new Haze hybrid that will be the "Grail".

Good Growing to You all!

 

[Dr. Purpur]

I went out and snapped a couple pics for You just now

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Original Haze/ Skunk1

 

[Japanfreakier]

OK Hemp I have a question for ya.

I decided to keep some males that I had for their pollen. They started dropping pollen under 24/7 low cfl light after about 3 months. I've got opinions saying that they auto-flowering traits but I don't really buy that because it happened to two seeds from a pack of chronic. Other opinion is that my conditions (low cfl light and mini-hempy bucket) stressed them into flowering. I understand there's a camp of people who believe that stress is passed on and others that don't believe it. Let's say you don't believe it for sake of argument.

Is this a viable method of getting pollen? Low light, root bound or close to in mini hempy bucket?

Right now I'm thinking that I was lucky as shit, didn't even have to flower them out, just kept them in a little area I have for mothers.

Whacha think?

 

[stagger lee]

Ive been biting my lip for as long as I could but I also would like to add my opinion or two cents...

Baba Ku , I was really impressed at your attitude and posts in a few different feminized threads but Im kinda lost when reading your post #3550 accusing and lack of a better word "starting" this whole senseless arguement. I mean who were you even talking about saying and accusing people of being ignorant about the feminized issue. You jumped all over someones ass(not even sure who) for hating feminized. I mean even if... thats only "they're" opinion. And you come in posting your opinion. Thats all it is your opnion. just like everyone else's! Im still confused were all that aggresion(sp?) came from.

And is it not fair for some1 to post theyre bad experiences w/feminized seeds? You act as though any1 posting a dislike of feminized are incredibly ignorant and on some kind of antifem crusade. Why do you think growers dont have the right to post theyre bad expereince w/them. And when they do its ok for you to disrespect and label them ignorant,ect...


Also your comment about feminized being the answer to outdoor growing, I did run a plot of feminized (thankfully nowhere near my other spots)outdoors and it was a fucking nightmare! It sounds great, dont have to pull males, but what about the nanners? I ended up with seeded garbage. And Im not an idiot or inexperienced. So can you see how you saying theres nothing wrong w/feminized genetics might offend me? It can go both ways. And most likely any person w/hardcore views for or against are the ones that are ignorant!

 

[stagger lee]

And Im w/HK ,Gold,and Disco Biscuit..... On to another topic the thread is kickass.

 

[Fat J]

Wonderin... with the non-sticky buds, is it possible it is a pure sativa and he missed the "window" for harvesting it? Heard pure sativas flower in phases and you have to watch them and get them at their ripe point. Like in a month itll be frosty again for a week 2...

I once had a plant that was not what it was sold as - all thru flower it looked great, but it just kept gettin more hairy and tho it had trichs, it had few and they were small, it seemed 2 forst up, then 1 week n a half later it lost its frost and I let it go 2 more weeks, it got more frosty but it was never as nice as it looked at first, then i got a PM problem, had 2 pull.

I think it was a chocolate thai (not what it was supposed to be)... HTH

 

[Billy Burroughs]

OK Hemp I have a question for ya.

I decided to keep some males that I had for their pollen. They started dropping pollen under 24/7 low cfl light after about 3 months. I've got opinions saying that they auto-flowering traits but I don't really buy that because it happened to two seeds from a pack of chronic. Other opinion is that my conditions (low cfl light and mini-hempy bucket) stressed them into flowering. I understand there's a camp of people who believe that stress is passed on and others that don't believe it. Let's say you don't believe it for sake of argument.

Is this a viable method of getting pollen? Low light, root bound or close to in mini hempy bucket?



Right now I'm thinking that I was lucky as shit, didn't even have to flower them out, just kept them in a little area I have for mothers.

Whacha think?

My brother had the same deal happen to him. He had a jack the ripper male a cut he'd gotten from sub and thought he kept it under a decent amount of light, 3 1000 watt lights, it went auto flower on him. Not sure if this is just a male trait across the board or what. This would be interesting to know.

 

[Baba Ku]

stagger lee, it was Billy Bouroughs I was directing my comments towards. I though it was clear, as I had even stated I was less than cordial to him. Hemp is trying to make it look like I threw those words out at him or others, when he knows exactly who it was directed at.

And I have not discounted anyone's bad experiences. All I am saying is that you cannot make blanket statements and assumptions using just a one time experience. You had a patch that hermied, and you qualify the grow by stating your skills, so I have to assume you too think femmed seeds are bunk. I have never eluded to anyone not posting up their experiences, nor have I called anyone ignorant for doing so. Why do you make shit like that up? So others can add you to the "I agree with" list?

What IS ignorant is for a person to have a fem seed plant hermie on them and then go on a crusage against them. That is ignorance. Especially in light of the fact that others, probably hundreds of thousands of others, are NOT having the same problems and not seeing such bad luck with fem seeds. So one needs to wonder, is the person just hard headed and wants to hang on that one experience? Or do they really have some sort of evidence of a problem and can share it with the rest of us?
The latter never happens.
Oh sure, people can sit back and figure out ways to show that they are completely useless, but that is just hard headed ignorance rearing it's head.

Such a nice group of bandwagon pileons. Y'all look real good! Family photo good boys, and I aint shittin'.

...that would take intelligence and open mindedness on your part. Two things you've demonstrated amply that you lack.

I tell you what, any time, day or night, that you want to challenge me in the arena or ideas and facts, you just bring it.
And I think all can see just who is close minded in here.
Besides, lacking intelligence is just another baseless charge that cannot be backed up. In fact, I think I have shown that I do indeed understand the issue on an intelligent level. Perhaps you show us all where I displayed I was less than intelligent?
Be careful though, you have said some real stupid shit over the years that nobody has ever called you on. When we critique others it often turns out worse than we expected.
Pot and kettle and all, ya understand....

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

troll alert

 

[Baba Ku]

Have you ever really added anything of worth here, or do you just wait for a pileon?

 

[Baba Ku]

Yeah that sounds good for now. Before long you'll probably be wondering what's the coldest it can be without hurting the plant or the yield

Which by the way to that I'd say about 70 degrees F. It can stand lower temps then that but I find once you get below 70 the plant's growth starts to slow down.

Soil needs some heat to trigger the energy it needs to promote root growth. It is pretty well known that the low end of the scale is about 40degF. That is when the soil can first create it's energy. The upper end of the temp scale for soil is 80-90degF and depends on humidity and other factors.

The plant itself can withstand higher temps and see no ill effects at all, as long as the plant is properly hydrated. Imagine plants growing out in the hot southern Missouri sun. Today the temp there is going to be between 71degF and 97degF, however the soil temp forecast for St Louis today is between 60-65degF.
Soil temp forecasts are given considering the growing level of ground, or the "top soil". Go just a few inches below the top soil, and the ground temp is always around 58-60 degF year round.

So knowing these facts, we clearly see that there are two temps we need to keep in mind. The ambient temp for the vegetative part of the plant, and the soil temp for the root ball.
In my own experience, the veg part of the plant can withstand very high temps, even reaching over 100degF in blazing sun with no problems. And the root zone will do fine as long as it is kept above 58degF or so.
I keep my indoor grows temp controlled and the plants do well and grow vigorously when the root zones are kept at about 65-68 degF.
As long as your ambient temps are not way off the scale, the root zone is all that really matters. You can easily check your soil temps by putting a thermometer into the soil to about the middle of the medium.

 

[Billy Burroughs]

What IS ignorant is for a person to have a fem seed plant hermie on them and then go on a crusage against them

Huh who was on a crusade i simply gave my opinion of them and you come side busting like captain save a hoe

i'm glad your enjoying "your crusade though" the one about how good these seeds are seems your the only one crusading man

i think i still got the PM's you sent me the start of "the crusde"

i personaly have no time for this non sense someone asked for an opinion i gave mine and now i'm the bad guyu and your going to launch a crusde against me and the thread where i and many others choose to post to prove this huh!!!

i'd call you real mature for how old did you say 50 something what days, weeks, or months ?

i think pretty much everyone is over fem seeds and over you i know i am and man that was so two weeks ago try saying that what you'vebeen doping here isnt a crusade going on for days on end about fem seeds whjat are you trying to sell some your making me wonder why else would someone push so hard for something unless the evilness of greed drove them that is a deadly sin in case you didnt know might want to seek your religious beliefs peersonaly i have none but still believe in deadly sins

 

[Billy Burroughs]

And Im w/HK ,Gold,and Disco Biscuit..... On to another topic the thread is kickass.

Exactaly Ty stagger lee this thread was kick ass till this guy showed up and he was targeting me probably becasue generally i'm the loudest mouthed or most vulgar anyways lol he started by PM's to me saying how fem seeds are gods answer to outdoor security and well thats easy to debunk so are clones and your guranteed females not only that but stable genetics that you have prefreably tried once in an indoor setting to get a lok at howthe plant preforms if it's stable all this then you plant it outdoors
i've never in my life seen an outdoor farmer just sprinkle seeds about and walk away unless they had a bag of a few thousand

and as stagger said i am an expierenced gardener as well didnt just fall of this turnip truck i'd gladly stick around if this thread picks abck up to what it used to be

I don't think i've intentioonally mis lead anyone here i've only given my opinion and expierence and no i'm not a know it all if i don't have any expierence doing something i'll gladly tell you that but i'm with the rest of the group here as well please go hold your feminized seed sermon on some other thread Baba Ku

 

[HempKat]

OK Hemp I have a question for ya.

I decided to keep some males that I had for their pollen. They started dropping pollen under 24/7 low cfl light after about 3 months. I've got opinions saying that they auto-flowering traits but I don't really buy that because it happened to two seeds from a pack of chronic. Other opinion is that my conditions (low cfl light and mini-hempy bucket) stressed them into flowering. I understand there's a camp of people who believe that stress is passed on and others that don't believe it. Let's say you don't believe it for sake of argument.

Is this a viable method of getting pollen? Low light, root bound or close to in mini hempy bucket?

Right now I'm thinking that I was lucky as shit, didn't even have to flower them out, just kept them in a little area I have for mothers.

Whacha think?

I don't know. All the seed making I've done has been from taking pollen from males flowering normally under a 1000W HID and with normal conditions (not rootbound). I then take the collected pollen and hand apply it with a small paint brush, to the buds I want to produce seeds. This method has worked pretty good so I've never explored any other method for making seeds.

Nor have I heard anyone else describe a situation like yours. I imagine maybe someone has done something like that but I've not heard them talk about it if they have. So sorry I can't help you. Maybe if you asked over in the breeder sub forum they could help you?

 

[Gold123]

Baby Bu enough already I thought you were leaving this thread,bye bye.

 

[HempKat]

Wonderin... with the non-sticky buds, is it possible it is a pure sativa and he missed the "window" for harvesting it? Heard pure sativas flower in phases and you have to watch them and get them at their ripe point. Like in a month itll be frosty again for a week 2...

I once had a plant that was not what it was sold as - all thru flower it looked great, but it just kept gettin more hairy and tho it had trichs, it had few and they were small, it seemed 2 forst up, then 1 week n a half later it lost its frost and I let it go 2 more weeks, it got more frosty but it was never as nice as it looked at first, then i got a PM problem, had 2 pull.

I think it was a chocolate thai (not what it was supposed to be)... HTH

Anything is possible I suppose since all we've really been told is that it was once sticky and now it isn't. It would possibly be helpful if we knew more about what was being grown, how it was being grown, what the general conditions were when it lost it's stickiness, etc.

Usually you can analyze a situation and identify something that's out of place or not right and even though it may not seem obvious at first but often that one thing is the reason for the problem.

I know from my own experience that when weather conditions change drastically enough it can effect a grow even if it's indoors. I was doing a grow during the summer once and a prolong period of very low humidity hit the area and dried everything out so bad we had fire warnings even though my area isn't prone to wild fires. Anyway during that same time it was very difficult to keep the humidity at a decent level and you could see buds starting to dry right on the actively growing plants.

The point being that one would think the outside conditions wouldn't have that much of an impact on an indoor grow and aside from that everything else was good. Sure enough after the dry spell passed the plants stopped having buds dry up and things went back to normal more or less.

 

[HempKat]

Soil needs some heat to trigger the energy it needs to promote root growth. It is pretty well known that the low end of the scale is about 40degF. That is when the soil can first create it's energy. The upper end of the temp scale for soil is 80-90degF and depends on humidity and other factors.

The plant itself can withstand higher temps and see no ill effects at all, as long as the plant is properly hydrated. Imagine plants growing out in the hot southern Missouri sun. Today the temp there is going to be between 71degF and 97degF, however the soil temp forecast for St Louis today is between 60-65degF.
Soil temp forecasts are given considering the growing level of ground, or the "top soil". Go just a few inches below the top soil, and the ground temp is always around 58-60 degF year round.

So knowing these facts, we clearly see that there are two temps we need to keep in mind. The ambient temp for the vegetative part of the plant, and the soil temp for the root ball.
In my own experience, the veg part of the plant can withstand very high temps, even reaching over 100degF in blazing sun with no problems. And the root zone will do fine as long as it is kept above 58degF or so.
I keep my indoor grows temp controlled and the plants do well and grow vigorously when the root zones are kept at about 65-68 degF.
As long as your ambient temps are not way off the scale, the root zone is all that really matters. You can easily check your soil temps by putting a thermometer into the soil to about the middle of the medium.

Yeah but the discussion wasn't about soil temps, it was about grow room temps. Try running your grow room at 40 deg F and see how well your plants do.