Nor'Easter
Member
yeah trust me I know people unemployed and not filing for like 10 years, no problem.
I try not to judge, we all have rough stretches
I try not to judge, we all have rough stretches
What exactly happens if you are unemployed and don't pay taxes?
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Yeah real rough ....
Peoples reactions when paying in cash are funny sometimes "Let me put that under my cocaine scanner"...
Peoples reactions when paying in cash are funny sometimes "Let me put that under my cocaine scanner"...
Nor'Easter
Member
say what? If you are mocking me I will kick you in the nuts!
You should make sure you know what you're talking about before you go stating things like you know them to be a fact. First of all nobody said you have to be making over $100,000 but in order to focus resources on where the problem is greatest, IRS has stated they will focus on people making $100,000 or more. The person asking the question about taxes is unemployed and struggling to get by so no matter how good the advice might be to keep lawyers on retainer it's pretty useless to someone who has no money.
Oh and here the link to the story about IRS focusing on incomes of $100,000 or more.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/AvoidAnAudit/6waysToKeepTheIRSatBay.aspx
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InvisibleEmpire
This dude OrganicOzarks must be the salesman for his local tax attorney ring!
Again, you are clearly missing the fact that I have never claimed to "know it all" or be well-versed in the tax world, and I go on experience. There are fundamental rights that we still have (for now) and using those rights can prevent you from being cornholed. Yes, anyone and everyone is open to auditing but the IRS has openly said 60% of tax profit comes from people making over 100k a year so spending money on auditing people who make less than that is, essentially, a waste of their time. NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE, but it's like the local NARCO unit focusing on some dude with a 400 watter versus a guy with a 6kw basement and a $800/month electric bill...
There are ways to defend yourself and like someone said saying you were strung out on drugs is an easy out of having to explain anything. Then again, you don't have to explain shit unless there's a court order...bottom line is I am truly fed up with the system, the system inherently sucks, I'm tired for working for someone else and having 1/3rd of what I make go to fight endless wars and line the pockets of the elite.
I'm FUCKING tired of it. I'm tired of our men and women (troops) being forced to fight battles for MONEY, for profit, for control...Raytheon, Halliburton...these pieces of scum make billions off using false reasons to go to war, then PROFIT off of it! That ALONE makes me sick to my stomach that part of MY money that I earn goes to PAY for that! Let's not mention the fact that the majority of taxes don't go to pay for infrastructure, and the money that does is rudely spent, our education system sucks, the justice system sucks, everything sucks. It is not stable, but it WORKS...which means people make a paycheck and can put food on the table.
The 'people' are losing the battle...unable to put food on the table and are learning the truth of the world...a Corporatocracy is how I would describe the USA, along with organizations such as IMF, World Bank, etc controlling most of the world's wealth and it's inhabitants by economic slavery.
Live in the UK?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39265847
UK Proposes All Paychecks Go to the State First
"The UK's tax collection agency is putting forth a proposal that all employers send employee paychecks to the government, after which the government would deduct what it deems as the appropriate tax and pay the employees by bank transfer."
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There's no more denying, there's no more ignoring...at least for me. Fuck the system. I'm going off the grid as much as I can, little steps at a time...one being making growing my passion and my sole income while lying out my ass to the thieves who have lied to us for decades. Fuck Em.
Again, you are clearly missing the fact that I have never claimed to "know it all" or be well-versed in the tax world, and I go on experience. There are fundamental rights that we still have (for now) and using those rights can prevent you from being cornholed. Yes, anyone and everyone is open to auditing but the IRS has openly said 60% of tax profit comes from people making over 100k a year so spending money on auditing people who make less than that is, essentially, a waste of their time. NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE, but it's like the local NARCO unit focusing on some dude with a 400 watter versus a guy with a 6kw basement and a $800/month electric bill...
There are ways to defend yourself and like someone said saying you were strung out on drugs is an easy out of having to explain anything. Then again, you don't have to explain shit unless there's a court order...bottom line is I am truly fed up with the system, the system inherently sucks, I'm tired for working for someone else and having 1/3rd of what I make go to fight endless wars and line the pockets of the elite.
I'm FUCKING tired of it. I'm tired of our men and women (troops) being forced to fight battles for MONEY, for profit, for control...Raytheon, Halliburton...these pieces of scum make billions off using false reasons to go to war, then PROFIT off of it! That ALONE makes me sick to my stomach that part of MY money that I earn goes to PAY for that! Let's not mention the fact that the majority of taxes don't go to pay for infrastructure, and the money that does is rudely spent, our education system sucks, the justice system sucks, everything sucks. It is not stable, but it WORKS...which means people make a paycheck and can put food on the table.
The 'people' are losing the battle...unable to put food on the table and are learning the truth of the world...a Corporatocracy is how I would describe the USA, along with organizations such as IMF, World Bank, etc controlling most of the world's wealth and it's inhabitants by economic slavery.
Live in the UK?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39265847
UK Proposes All Paychecks Go to the State First
"The UK's tax collection agency is putting forth a proposal that all employers send employee paychecks to the government, after which the government would deduct what it deems as the appropriate tax and pay the employees by bank transfer."
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There's no more denying, there's no more ignoring...at least for me. Fuck the system. I'm going off the grid as much as I can, little steps at a time...one being making growing my passion and my sole income while lying out my ass to the thieves who have lied to us for decades. Fuck Em.
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OrganicOzarks
I am basing my knowledge of the situation off of facts from first hand experiences. Not from some story on the internet. I really get tired of the copy and paste now I know everything syndrome. You can not copy and paste lifes experiences. Anyone who files taxes should use a tax attorney. ANYONE. I feel like I am talking to my teenager. Do you want to borrow the car too?
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OrganicOzarks
The ONDCP says that there is no reason to legalize marijuana for personal use because no one ever goes to jail for possesion. I figured since you guys believe your copy and paste 100k per year story then you have to believe that too. If you believe what you are told then I guess you need to not ever fight for marijuana rights. Because the 900,000 people that got arrested in 2009 which 80% were for possesion is actually not true. It is all a scam. Hell from their eyes marijuana is decriminalized on a national level. However my EXPERIENCES show me that this is not true. The internet is not a substitute for life. I could tell you a hundred stories about audits, and only a few of them would be from someone making 100k per year. Most of the others would be anywhere from $10,000 to $35,000 per year. This completly goes against your story, so I guess none of it ever happened. I think my life would be easier if I just believed everything I read on the internets. You would be amazaed at how many poor people (in this case we will use $15,000 or less per year for a family of 4) get audtited. What you are not saying is that when you are poor the government gives you hella deductions, and earned incom credit. I will use a good friend as an example. She has 3 kids no husband, and made about $15,000 last year maybe a little more maybe a little less. She obviously did not pay anything in. Maybe a few hundred dollars, but she got almost $7,000 back. So now can you see why it is actually worth their time to audit poor people? If we base a flat %30 tax rate for the average person and someone is making 100,000 then they would need to pay in somewhere around $30,000 unless they are self employed then it is %36. So if they have a regular job then the only real mistake that they can have is not deducting enough from their checks, or obviously taking too many deductions that are not allowed. When deducting from checks you usually base that off of how many people are in your family. That one is very hard to screw up. Now when it comes to deductions then usually that will be based off of what you can legaly deduct. Because of my employement status I deduct next to everything. Cell phones, cars, internet, phone, cleaning supplies, toilet paper, computers, some food, vacations etc.... Now the average person can not do these deductions. So if you make $100k or more then really you just have a decent job. Now if you are self employed you can start to deduct pretty much anything that you can justify that your business might use. As I do. that is when you will be getting audited. There is no magic number on who the IRS audits. It does not exist, and would you believe the government anyway? Your other posts say that you don't even like them. From my experiences the IRS will audit more self employed people then people with a job. Again from my experiences I know self employed people that made $10k and got audited. I know $10k won't do much in most places, but I know people that live off of that each year. I also tell those same people making $10k a year to use a tax attorney. Lets say their "tax guy" costs $150 to do their taxes. Well a tax attorney will charge you about $200, but everyone I have sent to a tax attorney (not always mine as mine is in a nother state and people get weird about not getting to meet him face to face) have gotten more money then they did in the past. Plain and simple, no internet stories involved. I have tried every cash scam you can think of. The duffle bags of money don't work. Having a bank account on an island can work. however now the IRS is harping real bad on that. The best thing you can do is to run a cash business, and only report enough of the income to cover your expenses from day one. Then later when you get audited for not making money from your business you can keep no records for audit. No bank accounts for audit, and you can just say that you suck at running a business. I am sorry that I suck at running a business. Also don't try to fly and deposit your cash in your account on that island. If you do don't take over $10k. If they catch you with it they will seize it. Really the only right way to do that is to take a vacation with your family and take different planes and give everyone $10k. However depending on the plane tickets hotel, and such you might as well just pay the taxes. I hate paying taxes for the same reasons that you listed above. However after years and years of trying to evade I have gotten to a point where I realized that you have to atleast pay something. How else can you get those fat ass returns?
You would be amazaed at how many poor people (in this case we will use $15,000 or less per year for a family of 4) get audtited. What you are not saying is that when you are poor the government gives you hella deductions, and earned incom credit. I will use a good friend as an example. She has 3 kids no husband, and made about $15,000 last year maybe a little more maybe a little less. She obviously did not pay anything in. Maybe a few hundred dollars, but she got almost $7,000 back. So now can you see why it is actually worth their time to audit poor people? If we base a flat %30 tax rate for the average person and someone is making 100,000 then they would need to pay in somewhere around $30,000 unless they are self employed then it is %36. So if they have a regular job then the only real mistake that they can have is not deducting enough from their checks, or obviously taking too many deductions that are not allowed. When deducting from checks you usually base that off of how many people are in your family. That one is very hard to screw up. Now when it comes to deductions then usually that will be based off of what you can legaly deduct. Because of my employement status I deduct next to everything. Cell phones, cars, internet, phone, cleaning supplies, toilet paper, computers, some food, vacations etc.... Now the average person can not do these deductions. So if you make $100k or more then really you just have a decent job. Now if you are self employed you can start to deduct pretty much anything that you can justify that your business might use. As I do. that is when you will be getting audited. There is no magic number on who the IRS audits. It does not exist, and would you believe the government anyway? Your other posts say that you don't even like them. From my experiences the IRS will audit more self employed people then people with a job. Again from my experiences I know self employed people that made $10k and got audited. I know $10k won't do much in most places, but I know people that live off of that each year. I also tell those same people making $10k a year to use a tax attorney. Lets say their "tax guy" costs $150 to do their taxes. Well a tax attorney will charge you about $200, but everyone I have sent to a tax attorney (not always mine as mine is in a nother state and people get weird about not getting to meet him face to face) have gotten more money then they did in the past. Plain and simple, no internet stories involved. I have tried every cash scam you can think of. The duffle bags of money don't work. Having a bank account on an island can work. however now the IRS is harping real bad on that. The best thing you can do is to run a cash business, and only report enough of the income to cover your expenses from day one. Then later when you get audited for not making money from your business you can keep no records for audit. No bank accounts for audit, and you can just say that you suck at running a business. I am sorry that I suck at running a business. Also don't try to fly and deposit your cash in your account on that island. If you do don't take over $10k. If they catch you with it they will seize it. Really the only right way to do that is to take a vacation with your family and take different planes and give everyone $10k. However depending on the plane tickets hotel, and such you might as well just pay the taxes. I hate paying taxes for the same reasons that you listed above. However after years and years of trying to evade I have gotten to a point where I realized that you have to atleast pay something. How else can you get those fat ass returns?
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InvisibleEmpire
The ONDCP says that there is no reason to legalize marijuana for personal use because no one ever goes to jail for possesion. I figured since you guys believe your copy and paste 100k per year story then you have to believe that too. If you believe what you are told then I guess you need to not ever fight for marijuana rights. Because the 900,000 people that got arrested in 2009 which 80% were for possesion is actually not true. It is all a scam. Hell from their eyes marijuana is decriminalized on a national level. However my EXPERIENCES show me that this is not true. The internet is not a substitute for life. I could tell you a hundred stories about audits, and only a few of them would be from someone making 100k per year. Most of the others would be anywhere from $10,000 to $35,000 per year. This completly goes against your story, so I guess none of it ever happened. I think my life would be easier if I just believed everything I read on the internets.
Paragraphs my friend, paragraphs.
Second...a fat ass return? You mean the money they took and are going to give only part of it back?
Good luck doing what you do, and I'll continue to do what I do...I'll be sure to let you know if I ever need a tax attorney LMAO
The ONDCP says that there is no reason to legalize marijuana for personal use because no one ever goes to jail for possesion. I figured since you guys believe your copy and paste 100k per year story then you have to believe that too. If you believe what you are told then I guess you need to not ever fight for marijuana rights. Because the 900,000 people that got arrested in 2009 which 80% were for possesion is actually not true. It is all a scam. Hell from their eyes marijuana is decriminalized on a national level. However my EXPERIENCES show me that this is not true. The internet is not a substitute for life. I could tell you a hundred stories about audits, and only a few of them would be from someone making 100k per year. Most of the others would be anywhere from $10,000 to $35,000 per year. This completly goes against your story, so I guess none of it ever happened. I think my life would be easier if I just believed everything I read on the internets.
Sorry you're wrong, you knowing of people making under 100K getting audited doesn't go against the story referenced at all because the story never said only people making over 100K get audited. It said that's where IRS is focusing it's resources. Which means if you make less then 100K your odds are siqnificantly lower of being audited. Nobody ever said people under 100K don't get audited. What I did say is that people making under 100K are not likely to get audited unless they do something stupid to get themselves red flagged. You didn't give much details about the people you know who got audited, I bet if we carefully examined what they were doing we would find that they did something stupid to draw the IRS attention.
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OrganicOzarks
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OrganicOzarks
Nothing stupid done at all. You could examine all you want. If you had a tax attorney he would tell you exactly what I am. However you guys don't seem to need one. I think if you read enough of the internets then you could start doing other peoples taxes for them. Are you guys friends with my teenager? I sure feel like I am talking to a brick wall. I.E. teenager that has no experience in life, but knows everything. You both refute what i say from personal experience, but you do not back it up. You only do the typical copy and paste internets thing. If you have not been audited, had your bank accounts frozen/ seized, had leins put on property that you own, or actually had a tax collector hunt you down then I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. The internets is not a substitute for real life. Carry on children.
ozarks, the article clearly states that the IRS allocates most of their resources towards going after six figure income cases. You think they are making that up? You think you prove this or illustrate this based on "life experience," ie one person amongst hundreds of millions knows a dozen or so people with less than six figure incomes who got audited? You think that's a good argument?
Of course you don't. That's why you resorted to personal attacks.
Of course you don't. That's why you resorted to personal attacks.
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OrganicOzarks
The prohibitionists say that no one gets arrested for possesion anymore. I think that 900,000 people last year beg to differ. Keep trusting the government. I love how no on will refute the 900,000 arrests for pot, but the IRS is telling the truth. Who believes what?
The keyboard cowboy copy and paste syndrome is rampant.
This is true--I have 1 minor child, my wife works, and I have not been on the books in 10 years...she doesn't make a lot, and pays almost nothing into Fed Tax...I pay nothing, and we get over 4 grand back every year--
Nothing stupid done at all. You could examine all you want. If you had a tax attorney he would tell you exactly what I am. However you guys don't seem to need one. I think if you read enough of the internets then you could start doing other peoples taxes for them. Are you guys friends with my teenager? I sure feel like I am talking to a brick wall. I.E. teenager that has no experience in life, but knows everything. You both refute what i say from personal experience, but you do not back it up. You only do the typical copy and paste internets thing. If you have not been audited, had your bank accounts frozen/ seized, had leins put on property that you own, or actually had a tax collector hunt you down then I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. The internets is not a substitute for real life. Carry on children.
Back it up with what? I haven't filed a return in more then a decade, I've never made over 50K in my life and I've never been audited. It's kind of difficult to back up (show evidence) of something that has never happened. You haven't backed up anything either, all you've done is come out here and make claims based on your personal opinion. Having a tax attorney on retainer only makes sense if you're the kind of person how plans on skirting the edges of the tax law because you have way more then 100K to protect. Of course a tax attorney will tell you that you need him, for a lawyer that's the equivilent of sales. He's the product and he's selling his product to you. So of course he's going to try to convince you that you need it.
If you are the type of person like the thread starter is that has fallen on hard times chances are better then average your tax obligation for the year will be minimal to none and you're return can probably be done with the easiest form possible (1040EZ) and many places online offer free electronic filing for people below a certain income or at least they used to. There should be nothing confusing about a return for someone in the thread starters situation, when you have no income you don't need to worry about a whole bunch of itemized deductions and such because they don't apply. If you're really afraid you can pay a modest fee and have a place like H&R Block do your taxes and file them for you. If you do that they accept full responsibility and will provide any legal counsel needed should they make a mistake that ends up in court. So ultimately there is no need for a tax attorney unless you are the type who makes over 100K.
The prohibitionists say that no one gets arrested for possesion anymore. I think that 900,000 people last year beg to differ. Keep trusting the government. I love how no on will refute the 900,000 arrests for pot, but the IRS is telling the truth. Who believes what?
The keyboard cowboy copy and paste syndrome is rampant.
No one is here saying anything about possession arrests accept for you and you are clearly refuting it. Other then that your point has nothing to do with this topic of taxes. You're making what's called a straw man arguement
Wikipedia said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
This is true--I have 1 minor child, my wife works, and I have not been on the books in 10 years...she doesn't make a lot, and pays almost nothing into Fed Tax...I pay nothing, and we get over 4 grand back every year--
Yeah and last year you should have gotten even more. They were giving people back extra money as a kind of reward, just for having worked at all during the year. I have a friend who is the mother of 3 and is married to a deadbeat husband/dad (He's there and able to work but he just sits around all day and does odd jobs here and there to buy cigarettes and beer). She said to me once, she more or less keeps him around because he is the kids father and he's another mouth to help qualify for benefits. She makes minimum wage as a full time cashier. Anyway with all the extra credits she got back over 10K.
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OrganicOzarks
Again with the copying and pasting. My point is that you believe that the IRS spends the majority of their time on 100k or more. Who has stated this? The IRS which is an extension of the Federal Government. So you believe that,but you are on a marijuana forum. The federal government says Marijuana is illegal. So how can you selectivly choose what you believe from them? Like lets say the fact that 900,000 people a year get arrested for marijuana, but the Government says that practicly no one does. Again life experience can not be substituted by copying and pasting from the internets. I find it ironic that you will selectivly believe the Govenrment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Look I can copy and paste too. Maybe now I am smarter.
Again with the copying and pasting. My point is that you believe that the IRS spends the majority of their time on 100k or more. Who has stated this? The IRS which is an extension of the Federal Government. So you believe that,but you are on a marijuana forum. The federal government says Marijuana is illegal. So how can you selectivly choose what you believe from them? Like lets say the fact that 900,000 people a year get arrested for marijuana, but the Government says that practicly no one does. Again life experience can not be substituted by copying and pasting from the internets. I find it ironic that you will selectivly believe the Govenrment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Look I can copy and paste too. Maybe now I am smarter.
First of all I'm not on a marijuana farm, I'm a grower who grows for myself in the space roughly the size of a walkin closet. Second marijuana is illegal. We may not like it, we may not agree that it should be but that doesn't change anything and it has zip to do with the question this thread asked.
So there is no selective believing of the government going on here as nobody here is talking about whether or not the government is lying about some totally unrelated issue. Marijuana policies and arrests fall under the realm of DEA not the IRS. Who gets sentenced to time for those arrests fall under the realm of the judicial system of the local governments where those arrests were made.
No you're still as stupid as ever because there is no irony here, just you trying to make it seem that way because you're too immature to admit when you're wrong.
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OrganicOzarks
I'm wrong. sorry for arguing.
