What jumps out at you here?
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What jumps out at you here?
that not all political systems fall apart from corruption.
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So how exactly does a thread giving out about not being able to discuss politics turn into a discussion on political corruption??
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I understand what you are saying and having lived overseas and gone to international schools my whole life I know how you feel.
I'll only add this one caveat. The US is the hegemonic power in the world. It's fiat currency is the basis of the global economic system because it is the reserve currency. When it fails....everyone around the world will feel the monster fall. From Singapore to the Netherlands to the United Arab Emirates. So goes the effects of globalism and interconnectedness. You can not care, and honestly since I'm prepared I'm getting to that point too, but you won't be able to hide from the effects. From what I've read you are well insulated though.
Interesting. A Forbes article about corruption. Forbes is a Corporatist face IMO. He seems to have left the USA off as #1.
BTW, Iceland's banking system collapsed in 2008.
The Stunning Collapse of Iceland- Business Week
I also saw Singapore that list lol. Bro, that place is corrupt to the bone. I lived there for 6 years. The PAP rules with an iron fist. It's very clean. No doubt. It's very rich, no doubt. Homeless people are scooped up and drug off because they are unsightly. Death penalty for drug trafficking. Chewing gum is illegal. The people are told what to do, what music they can listen too, what they can look at on the internet, etc, etc. It is a very controlled society for the rank and file people. Moving up is very difficult. It's a mult-national business hub the citizens are slaves. Mandatory Army or police service and all.
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1st off the C&P portion of my post was not from forbes, and I doubt you bothered clicking the forbes link or reading their article. Additionally... Forbes did not compile the data they are reporting on in their article.Interesting. A Forbes article about corruption. Forbes is a Corporatist face IMO. He seems to have left the USA off as #1.
BTW, Iceland's banking system collapsed in 2008.
The Stunning Collapse of Iceland- Business Week
2nd off, the USA ranked 20th... We were left off because we did not make the cut.
3rd off.... WTF does any of that have to do with the rankings I posted?
Yes. Iceland was heavily invested in economies that tumbled, and their economy crashed.
They're in recovery now, and still one of the least corrupt countries in the world.
1st off the C&P portion of my post was not from forbes, and I doubt you bothered clicking the forbes link or reading their article. Additionally... Forbes did not compile the data they are reporting on in their article.
2nd off, the USA ranked 20th... We were left off because we did not make the cut.
3rd off.... WTF does any of that have to do with the rankings I posted?
1st- I was pointing out that I disagree with USA being 20th. I think that's laughable and that's my opinion.
2nd- I was pointing out that you said not all system's collapse because of corruption, yet #10's financial system collapsed collapsed in 2008. If your financial system collapses your government isn't doing something properly.
I can get on board with New Zealand, Switzerland, and Sweden.
I can live with that. They fucked themselves on buying worthless CDO's.
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I understand what you are saying and having lived overseas and gone to international schools my whole life I know how you feel.
I'll only add this one caveat. The US is the hegemonic power in the world. It's fiat currency is the basis of the global economic system because it is the reserve currency. When it fails....everyone around the world will feel the monster fall. From Singapore to the Netherlands to the United Arab Emirates. So goes the effects of globalism and interconnectedness. You can not care, and honestly since I'm prepared I'm getting to that point too, but you won't be able to hide from the effects. From what I've read you are well insulated though.
WELL said.
I actually want it to happen after I pay off my debts, buy land and go completely Solar/Wind/Geothermal...lol...anyone got a mil they can lend?
I'm sorry. I understand the difference between a political system and an economy. I also am aware that the reason for their economic collapse was not government corruption. Perhaps you should study up on Iceland's economy and the reason it collapsed.
I still point out that not all political systems collapse because of corruption.
Even had you been right about Iceland, that point would still stand.
According to the data that was compiled in the criteria used, the US was 20th, your disbelief has no effect on the data.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009
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Iceland committee wants charges over 2008 bank collapse
Just to clarify. The financial system collapsed and left the rank and file citizens debt slaves to an International Banking Cartel which greatly erodes their national sovereignty. Which means an International Bank is determining how a sovereign nation spends it's money, but you see no correlation with this to a failure of the political system to maintain the sovereign status of it's citizens?
I guess by your assertion the elite's where just victim's of their own stupidity. I see it as more that they were victim's of their own greed. Greed to me is a sympton of corruption. Many people knew the AAA CDO's that were going around were actually junk. They turned a blind eye because everything kept going up. When the house of cards fell, only then did they try and point fingers.
Selling your people out to the IMF is corrupt to me. I believe, with time, political system's are cyclical. They come and go. Once collectivism becomes too entrenched they will all fail. Greed seems to be an inherent human trait when speaking about large populations.
Just to clarify. The financial system collapsed and left the rank and file citizens debt slaves to an International Banking Cartel which greatly erodes their national sovereignty. Which means an International Bank is determining how a sovereign nation spends it's money, but you see no correlation with this to a failure of the political system to maintain the sovereign status of it's citizens?
I guess by your assertion the elite's where just victim's of their own stupidity. I see it as more that they were victim's of their own greed. Greed to me is a sympton of corruption. Many people knew the AAA CDO's that were going around were actually junk. They turned a blind eye because everything kept going up. When the house of cards fell, only then did they try and point fingers.
Selling your people out to the IMF is corrupt to me. I believe, with time, political system's are cyclical. They come and go. Once collectivism becomes too entrenched they will all fail. Greed seems to be an inherent human trait when speaking about large populations.
Just to clarify.
Iceland is a tiny country who's entire economy was dependent on private sector banking.
There was a run on the icelandic banks in the UK, and three privately owned businesses went under.
Those three Banks were such a huge portion of the economy, it temporarily collapsed (it is recovering now)
Regardless, The collapse was in no way a result of government corruption.
But even if it had been, it would not have any effect on the correctness of my statement.
Their political system has not fallen apart.
But even if it had, they were a small part of the list which makes my point.
corruption |kəˈrəp sh ən|
noun
1 dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery
Iceland is a tiny country who's entire economy was dependent on private sector banking.
There was a run on the icelandic banks in the UK, and three privately owned businesses went under.
Those three Banks were such a huge portion of the economy, it temporarily collapsed (it is recovering now)
Regardless, The collapse was in no way a result of government corruption.
But even if it had been, it would not have any effect on the correctness of my statement.
Their political system has not fallen apart.
But even if it had, they were a small part of the list which makes my point.
corruption |kəˈrəp sh ən|
noun
1 dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery
Wasn't it from the first post? 
I'm just in before the bin. I thought it would have canned a while back, but since it went on I just had to drop my two cents. It's all gravy baby.
I'm just in before the bin. I thought it would have canned a while back, but since it went on I just had to drop my two cents. It's all gravy baby.
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