Time Doesn't Exist

[GMT]

if all moments of time exist simultaneously, where does that leave free will? Is it a waste of time getting up in the mornings as our work for tomorrow has already been done? or if we stay in bed instead, was that the tomorrow that had always existed?
Similarly, is jailing people a waste of time to protect others? If we don't put them in jail, a mass murderer couldn't have killed anymore people as those peoples continued lives already existed.

 

[Dorje113]

Another thing, there are many instances in which "quantization" breaks down,

It doesn't break down, it is 1/2 of how things behave... the other half is a wave or vibration. They exist simultaneously in a paradox (just like everything else), and wave/particle duality has been proven long ago by doing simple experiments. So, (just like most things), it isn't that simple, just depends on how you look at it.

 

[DiiZZii3]

Just wanna say im really glad to see so much intrest in this thread. When i first wrote evrythin up i was pretty hesitant to hit the post button... but im happy i did. Its fucked up to think something that seems so simple actually has alot of depth to it, its somethin that this thread will nevr answer either. but in my opinion science is the top dogg and if science says it is than it is. And science is saying that our "concept" of time is incorrect... and i have to say i agree

Stay High
Diz

 

[DiiZZii3]

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Einsteins theory says that the past and future dont actually exist, its all just one. Everything has already happend. its sayin that that murderer was destined to be in jail even before he was born. I gotta say tho im unable to grasp this concept beacuse i feel that i can choose to do one thing or another.. freewill. In the past couple days i've really thought alot about "time" and all it done is fucked with my head.

Peace

 

[BrainSellz]

theze past 33 yearz of my life when eye think about dont seem like 33 yearz at all, seems like it went by in a flash which makes scents that past present future are all at once' its only when eye think about tha things eye have done in life that make me feel eye have been here for ever'

 

[dagnabit]

Eye think eye get this but can someone maybe chime in if he iz saying time doez exist or doesnt' Or iz he merely saying time is what you make it if you make it'
The rabbit hole iz getting deep for me' need oxygen help

NEVER MIND god it' just not enough of it

in that verse i interpret it as how fleeting time can be...
we have so much we want to do but the sands slip through our fingers faster than we can keep up with.

 

[lockehead]

If u freeze a body, wait 100 years, then check back on it, is the body still the same? It is right? So in this instance, time wouldnt really had done anything to the body. However, if you didnt freeze the body, and just left it out for a 100 years, then it would decay. I dont think this would be due to time, but simple interaction with the air and other substances.

Red's posts got me thinking a bit. I was thinking," If time doesnt exist, then what the hell is that round plastic thing hanging on my wall doing?" So i start to think, maybe time really doesnt exist. However, what we civilized beings call "time", are merely tick marks on that round thing called a clock? A second is not a unit of time, but it is the measure of that one tick in the clock. We just call it "time" for simplicitys sake?

 

[GMT]

@ GMT
Einsteins theory says that the past and future dont actually exist, its all just one. Everything has already happend. its sayin that that murderer was destined to be in jail even before he was born. I gotta say tho im unable to grasp this concept beacuse i feel that i can choose to do one thing or another.. freewill. In the past couple days i've really thought alot about "time" and all it done is fucked with my head.

Peace

yeah einstein was wrong on a few things, and subscribed to a universe. I have a problem when it comes to free will. I want to believe (visions of mulders poster on his office wall lol) but have to accept that I'm probably kidding myself on that. If the multiverse is accurate, and if there is another collection (at least one) of particles making up another me elsewhere, then perhaps when I make one decision and he makes the opposite decision, sometimes we swap realities. That would allow for free will in a multiverse that encompasses every point in time and each decision we all make.

ps. yeah I hadn't considered the possability that the murderer was destined to be jailed lol, nice one

 

[BrainSellz]

Theory
Ti'Me= spelled like that could be seen as a word uzed to "tie-me" to an event'
The answer iz in tha word itself which would mean time iz only here to tie us to an event other than that if we dont exist neither doez time' there would be no need for it

 

[cashmunny]

To the OP: put down the bong...All that is saying is that mathematically speaking time is a continuum.

 

[BrainSellz]

continuum.

continuum-a continuous nonspatial whole or extent or succession in which no part or portion is distinct or distinguishable from adjacent parts

nice word

 

[GMT]

there still seems to be some confusion here. the 24 hour clock is a man made construct, and if we didnt exist neither would that. the 365 days of the year relates to a reality that is not dependant upon us being around to witness or measure it. time itself occurs if there is someone around or not to witness it. time was here before the universe was born, so time was the first dimension really rather than the 4th it is percieved as. if time didnt exist before the birth of the universe, then the universe could never have been born, as that event which preceeded it, the causation of its birth, could not have occured.

 

[teerull]

if all moments of time exist simultaneously, where does that leave free will? Is it a waste of time getting up in the mornings as our work for tomorrow has already been done? or if we stay in bed instead, was that the tomorrow that had always existed?
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If all moments of time exist simultaneously, there is just the present. the now. When you think of the past for example, you can never experience it. It is something the mind creates. The same goes for the future. Hence the only thing left is to be in the "now" and then all of time exists simultaneously - the future thing that you are going to do, has not been done until you do it now and it would not have been done if you hadn't done it now. The important part is the now though, as it is the thing that you have the control over.


now I need to hit the bong to think further about the now


peace,
T

 

[BrainSellz]

there still seems to be some confusion here. if time didnt exist before the birth of the universe, then the universe could never have been born, as that event which preceeded it, the causation of its birth, could not have occured.

yeah eye waz' ^ brought me back around'

eye refered to the 'Me part of my Ti'Me theory az just human and not universal thats where eye got lost' for anything to "be" it haz to be created at a point in time weather human or not which now leadz me to understanding that tha time IZ alwayz now and many times exist within tha now

 

[englishrick]

time [imo] like sound is a wave,,,,the brakedown of the wave causes the "hear and now",,,

 

[statusquo]

I love it when people try and argue for free will by saying life would suck without it. This is not an argument and it does nothing to belittle existence because no matter what we say, we operate under the misguided assumption that we have free will. If we didn't, we couldn't have concepts of responsibility, justice etc. However almost any microbiologist/physiological psychologist will tell you there is no free will.

Everything in the world is physical, all physical matter follows physical laws including the neurons and neurotransmistters that govern our cognitive processes and "decision" making. We are merely biological/analog computers. We receive stimuli, the processors in our brain interpret the information and then output a response.

In regards to time as a human construct. WHAT IS TIME. Very few people can give a coherent answer to this question. Most simply, it is a measure of change. Change of the position of the sun around the earth, change of the position of the hands of the clock etc.

 

[ninsega]

Time seems to merely be a measurement of distance. 24hrs for Earth to spin, 365days to revolve around the Sun. These were also distances traveled through space.

To "believe" in time is like believing in the twelve-inch measurement "feet." I have over six feet of height, but do I possess feet? So feet are not real, but at the same time what they represent is real.

 

[englishrick]

imo,,the creator formed the planets and the creator set the planets in motion,,,the motion of the planets created the first "day",,,

im i the only guy who believes in inteligent design?

 

[englishrick]

the sun is inaccurate,,,the luner callender is the 1 to look at if you want an accurate representation of time

 

[bentom187]

i wounder how animals preceive this,they must have some concept of it,cause they flock around the globe at certain times of the year for mating usually or hunting. im not saying they know when 2:30 is but they live day to day on the rising and falling of the sun and some by the moon.so in a broader view they must know when to do these things.
so perhaps there is somthing that out brains have in common to realize time.
So if our brains have evolved to understand time,then there was a necessitty for it, therefore time must be real.you usually cant evolve biologicly around somthing thats not there.
even gravity ,we cant see it and usually cant feel a difference unles we're moving and we have evolved around it with bones and muscles to fight gravatational pull, BUT its still there weather we understand it or not.