vaporizer

[Don Dump]

I agree that balloons aren't that great. they taste like a good hit mixed with a not so good hit. they can be ok if you brew them right, and they are good for groups or noobs or drunk people.

whip is where its at. specifically the elbow pack method in the whip of an extreme(Q). that is how I get high 99% of the time.

If I had the cash to buy a new bong. I would buy a herborizer xl to go with it

or I might buy a vapexhale cloud when they come out

 

[love?]

For us bong guys tho, you should check out the Vrip Heat Wand...

It really gives superior hits to every other vape I've tried, and I've tried just about all the best ones available at the moment.

Have you tried the Herborizer and if so how would you say it compares? I've been thinking about buying one or the other.

If I take a normal hit now, all I can taste is tar and stuff - totally gross!

Yeah that happens to me as well but only if I smoke right after vaping, you can really taste the smoke. Though I kinda like that smoky taste too.

 

[igrowone]

when i see these unpleasant taste posts from $200+ vaporizers, i wonder if i'm seeing things
the cheap DIY halogen bulb vape produces a taste like the bud smells, whatever that may be
tar taste? not a hint
i've never tried the commercial vapes, and from these posts, i probably never will

 

[Calimed]

With bag vapes you gotta remember to change the bags and clean all the pieces on a regular basis. Otherwise that popcorn taste will build up real fast.

Also, I find fewer larger bags from a bowl taste better than several small bags.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Have you tried the Herborizer and if so how would you say it compares? I've been thinking about buying one or the other.

No sorry, that is one of the few I've not used or own.

I've thought about picking one up, but I like how with the vrip, you you can move the element around to direct air at different parts of the bowl, which I think helps pull extra proper hits. I also like the style of the vrip bowl better - easier to stir between hits as its not so deep and the top part is wider.

The cord on the temperature control thing that goes to the element looks really short too, like it would be hard to just sit back and take your hit without having to sit it on your lap or whatever.

Looks solid, but these little details bug me enough to put me off. Design-wise its real proper though, all glass air path, temperature control, etc, so if you end up with that one I think you'll still be well ahead of the curve.

But, I'd say go vrip and never look back, hehe. It's a little delicate (keep the cord behind a desk or whatever so its never out to get pulled accidentally,) but the hits are just amazing. I'm no air-path scientist, but imo, the way the it pulls air through the weed is "just right" and thus delivers really thick proper vape hits. Maybe its the "venturi effect" stuff they mention, dunno, but whatever it does is legit.

I know my praise sounds bold, but I really doubt you'll find a vrip owner who disagrees.

or I might buy a vapexhale cloud when they come out

Yeah, I have one of those on pre-order in fact... The guy making them or owner at least is a vrip user, posts lots of youtube videos of himself hitting awesome glass with the vrip wand, so I feel like its really going to rock and be a great vape for people who like vaping through their glass collection.

 

[Don Dump]

I haven't used either one but I would prefer the handsfreeness of the herborizer. this herbo thread has some good comparisons http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=89&p=10

I had to post this gif from that thread

 

[joe4444]

and thats the thing I tried it at a lower temp........and found the hit tasted way better at the higher temp...........but all in all Im sticking with the bong...........Ill use the vape when my lungs need a rest.......

When you vaporize at the proper temperature (185C or 365F) you will see very little "smoke" and taste very little flavor. This is a good thing. By cranking up your temperature beyond 400F in order to get more taste you are (somewhat) defeating the purpose of the vaporizer because you are then inhaling other crap besides THC. If you're going to vaporize get used to less flavor. Have a little more patience. Wait a few minutes between each hit to feel the effects rather than immediately cranking up the heat just because you didn't taste much. That said, vaporizing at just about any temperature is almost certainly less harmful than smoking. Don't give up yet!

Now, if you are truly serious about your lung health I suggest edibles. There are plenty of guides to making cannabutter. My personal favorite is coconut oil. It is 90%+ saturated fat (compared to 65% sat. fat in butter) so it absorbs more cannabinoids. You can use it in almost any recipe that calls for oil and most that call for butter. The only real downside, as with all edibles, is the 30-60 minute wait for peak effect. Once there your high will stick around for many hours though. This means you get more for less. In addition, think about all the smoke you exhale. That's all wasted. I've literally stretched a bag that I would normally burn through in 1 week to last me 4 weeks using coconut oil. When I eat one (very small) brownie after work I'm high as a kite until at least 10pm. No more second, third, and fourth doses of smoke.

 

[joe4444]

when i see these unpleasant taste posts from $200+ vaporizers, i wonder if i'm seeing things
the cheap DIY halogen bulb vape produces a taste like the bud smells, whatever that may be
tar taste? not a hint
i've never tried the commercial vapes, and from these posts, i probably never will

Why would anyone in their right mind make a pipe out of a light bulb? Many if not all of them are coated with UV blocking chemicals and who knows what else. I don't care how well you clean out that shit. I would never breathe the air near a busted bulb let alone heat it up and smoke out of it.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

I haven't used either one but I would prefer the handsfreeness of the herborizer. this herbo thread has some good comparisons http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=89&p=10

I had to post this gif from that thread

Cool man, neat link. I see it led to a pretty detailed post from someone who owns the herborizer and the vrip and I'll share it here for those interested. Nice to see this person agrees about the proper hits the vrip wand generates, and they do make a good case for the herborizer as well.

From http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=30939#p30939

"The biggest difference to me is due to the bowl's design. The VHW's bowl is smaller than the Herbo's and it ends in a narrow hole just down the screen.

The result is a thicker vapor just like with the elbow style with the Extreme IMO.I think that an other reason for the vapor/air ratio higher with the VHW is also thanks to a bigger thermal mass and probably a higher heater's temp(i use my sphere at 9 and the VHW at 3/4) or maybe because it is closer to the herb than the Herbo's injector.

Obvioulsy a vrip's bowl is done in 7/8 monster hits and a Herbo bowl with the same amount lasts for 10/12 smooth and tasty hits with almost no loss in taste.

Taste is amazing in both units equally but seems that goes away quicker in the VHW than in the Herbo for the same reason i told before.

Personally i found a bit annoying dealing with the wand every hit.... keeping attention high to avoid any breakage make me loose a part of the high but i really do like the thick "espresso" vapor that come from this fragile magic stick!!

I see the Herbo more like the peace's pipe because i don't need to play too much with glass....just hold it in my hands stir it one or two times and bless it....no stress at all...and you know i work a lot everyday so let me relax in the night man...add that i share any session with my wife so mutiply this x2...hot glass no joke!

I see the Vrip the best vape when some good old dog come at my place and i want see them with a funny smile on their face....nothig compare a good glass vapor bong in taste and highness even for those old cronic smokers...rock on baby!!

Yes.... now i really feel i'm lucky with these two vapes because i really likes both and i never want to live without one of those in my home, for sure they are more useful than a tv or ac for my well being!"

And from another post by the same person -

Back on topic the vrip is a winner for huge hits and the Herbo Xl is the winner in maintaining the sweet taste longer.....obviously this is only my opinion!

 

[igrowone]

Why would anyone in their right mind make a pipe out of a light bulb? Many if not all of them are coated with UV blocking chemicals and who knows what else. I don't care how well you clean out that shit. I would never breathe the air near a busted bulb let alone heat it up and smoke out of it.

these halogen bulbs are pure glass, that's why i use them
there are a number of threads detailing this vape
the vapor has not a hint of irritation, smooth as silk

 

[Don Dump]

When you vaporize at the proper temperature (185C or 365F) you will see very little "smoke" and taste very little flavor. This is a good thing. By cranking up your temperature beyond 400F in order to get more taste you are (somewhat) defeating the purpose of the vaporizer because you are then inhaling other crap besides THC. If you're going to vaporize get used to less flavor.

my understanding is that the aromatics vaporize at a lower temperature than the psychoactives.

the whole reason I got hooked on vaping is the taste. to say it has less flavour blows my mind. the taste is unbelievably amazing. depending on the strain of course. I wish you guys could taste what I am vaping right now

 

[ambition]

anybody who lives in an apartment or condo in a non-medical state should own a vaporizer. Very little smell if any, if a little precaution is taken. Ya sure, there are odor tricks via standard smoking, but they are minimally effective IMO.

 

[Mr. Bongjangles]

my understanding is that the aromatics vaporize at a lower temperature than the psychoactives.

the whole reason I got hooked on vaping is the taste. to say it has less flavour blows my mind. the taste is unbelievably amazing. depending on the strain of course. I wish you guys could taste what I am vaping right now

I'm a bit confused man. In your thread about the boiling points of cannabinoids and terpenes (which is fuckin awesome btw,) I see a whole bunch of them that don't release until you hit the same temperature required to get most of the psychoactives.

LOL we've totally derailed this thread into general vape discussion, but I love it hehe... Sorry KarmasWheele, but I get the feeling you're down with the discussion branching off

 

[Don Dump]

ya I shouldn't have said it like that. I think I meant something like "my understanding is that a lot of the aromatics vaporize at a lower temperature than most of the psychoactives" even that isn't quite right haha Im ripped.

anyway that guy was implying you dont get any flavour at low temps. I was just saying that a lot of flavour is vaped before much else.

 

[joe4444]

my understanding is that the aromatics vaporize at a lower temperature than the psychoactives.

the whole reason I got hooked on vaping is the taste. to say it has less flavour blows my mind. the taste is unbelievably amazing. depending on the strain of course. I wish you guys could taste what I am vaping right now

I guess I wasn't very clear. From my experience there is less of the familiar taste we all know from smoking. I agree that the flavor is better overall when vaporizing. However, to me it is much milder, even very faint in some cases. Because a lot of the plant material does not vaporize below 365F you certainly lose a good bit of the flavor you might expect. As you said, many aromatics vaporize before the cannabinoids...just not all of them.

This may not be the best example, but I prefer mild to extra hot spicy Mexican food. Drenching a burrito in nuclear strength hot sauce makes it hard to taste many of the main ingredients because they are overpowered. While removing the hot sauce reduces the overwhelming burst of flavor it allows the subtler flavors to come through, albeit quite toned down relatively speaking.

Mmmmmmmmmmm burrito!

 

[Dorje113]

I love my extreme q. < $200 on ebay....

 

[cashmunny]

I preach this until I'm blue in the face to no avail...but here goes...

Heat gun+bong = vaporizer

You can buy a cheapo heat gun for $25. Add a concentrator nozzle so the tip fits nicely in your bowl for another $10. You probably already have a bong, so for $35 you are vaping. You don't have to fuck around with those stupid bags either.

If you want to go high tech, you could probably get a heat gun with dial adjustable heat settings for $100. But I've got a $25 Milwaukeee heat gun. Two settings high and low. I blast the bowl on high for a second or two to warm it up, then take a pull with the gun on low. Works like a charm. The vapor from it will rip your face off every time. Plus you get the bong filtration factor for extra smoothness.

And the taste is just ridiculous. So good I haven't smoked in probably a year.

 

[love?]

Sounds like the VHW gives better hits than the Herborizer then. But that VapeXhale is intresting too, better wait and see till it's out before I buy anything.

 

[VirginHarvester]

Why use a vape at all? Another 9º and the weed will ignite. The idea is to use the lowest possible temp so THC converts to steam leaving everything else behind.

It seems to me with a digital unit you could start at the low end and dial it up occasionally during the session to find your range. If different "meds" are released at diff temps, why not?

 

[Two-Dogs]

I bought a silver surfer not long ago, but am back on the bongs, you do get ripped from vaporizing but not as ripped as a bong. the vape is also incredibly dry and hot and can have you in some pretty hectic coughing fits. Flavour is better than smoking in the initial hits, and if you dont use a bong with it you get mouthfuls of herb escaping the screen. Wand hash isnt exactly hash, usually already vaped herb that just cakes up the stem.

It is however excellent for ingesting budtrim without having to make hash with bubblebags
Also all that glass work has forced me into enrolling in a glass blowing w/e course