7k, upgradable to 17k, MPB kush room
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mikeross
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My friend is getting almost 2 per light with this strain in somewhat of a sog setup... he still vegs for 2 weeks to fill his conopy. I have witness 2 runs at his place and very happy with what I saw.
This is nothing like the LVPK or SR71 cut I have seen pictures of. This is a local cut and yeilds very well actually. I mean 2 per light is pretty damn good to me with purple kush. I have seen urban grower videos of this pk cut next to the HA cut of OG and both look to yeild pretty close to the same. They refer to it has the HA purple kush around here and honestly this pk cut and HA og kush are not hard to come by in clone form.
Purple kush is king right now... There is tons of cheap bud going around these days. If you want top notch medicine that everyone wants it has to be some type of kush. I know its like that in california, which I recently moved from, but very surprised to see similar trends where I am living now... Only difference is its dirt cheap here compared to california.
Next round I am splitting the room up and running 7 HA OG's and 7 bubba kush. I am gonna see which one out of the 3 I like beat and continue to grow her out for awhile. I am also trying to get my hands on a really nice hashplant cut that was king here hears ago but no one seems to have anymore. That hashplant cut I could see yeild huge in this type of setup.
I think if I can find a nice hashplant cross along with the above kushes me and my 2 patients should be more then happy.
mikeross
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I forgot to add, the main reason I am using veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of bloom is based on my friends recommendation who I get my clones from. He runs AD connie from weeks 3 to finish. With his purple kush he runs connie from week 1 to help it stretch out more. He said If I didnt want to go that route I could just use some of my sensi grow that I already have.
I love the LVPK and will be interested to watch these ladies.
You stated that you wanted them to stretch a little more than their current 30". I like them big also. I'm thinking that 30hrs of straight darkness will really slow down the stretch and set the plants to flowering.
What are your thoughts about the 30hrs of dark verses straight flip to 12/12?
You stated that you wanted them to stretch a little more than their current 30". I like them big also. I'm thinking that 30hrs of straight darkness will really slow down the stretch and set the plants to flowering.
What are your thoughts about the 30hrs of dark verses straight flip to 12/12?
elongation (stretch)...
elongation (stretch)...
....raise lights - until bottom of bare bulb over tallest plant. adjust ever 24-48h...
...try keep day/night temps ~same...
*if there was media, & not recirc hydro, let medium dry out slightly...
for bigger than 30"...
...veg longer
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...k-nit-based fert...
most elongate during first few days/wk of flowering, whatever the nute regime.
instead of shock of 30h dark, can also reduce lyght by :30min/day... some start showing sex under 15/9, should start fully under 14/10... 'stretching' during this, w/ no shock. that also method to find ea cultivar critical dark required to flower. ea different...
from 18/6 to 12/12 by :30/day = 11 days
elongation (stretch)...
....raise lights - until bottom of bare bulb over tallest plant. adjust ever 24-48h...
...try keep day/night temps ~same...
*if there was media, & not recirc hydro, let medium dry out slightly...
for bigger than 30"...
...veg longer
......k-nit-based fert...
most elongate during first few days/wk of flowering, whatever the nute regime.
instead of shock of 30h dark, can also reduce lyght by :30min/day... some start showing sex under 15/9, should start fully under 14/10... 'stretching' during this, w/ no shock. that also method to find ea cultivar critical dark required to flower. ea different...
from 18/6 to 12/12 by :30/day = 11 days
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mikeross
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....raise lights - until bottom of bare bulb over tallest plant. adjust ever 24-48h...
...try keep day/night temps ~same...
*if there was media, & not recirc hydro, let medium dry out slightly...
for bigger than 30"...
...veg longer
...p0tassium nitrate-based fert...
most elongate during first few days/wk of flowering, whatever the nute regime.
instead of shock of 30h dark, can also reduce lyght by :30min/day... some start showing sex under 15/9, should start fully under 16/8... 'stretching' during this, w/ no shock. that also method to find ea cultivar critical dark required to flower. ea different...
from 18/6 to 12/12 by :30/day = 11 days
very interesting. The guy who introduced me to growing always did a 24-36 hour darkness period before flip. He told me it was to reset the internal clock of the plant and get it ready for the change in photoperiod.
Now that you mention that reducing this dark perior will actual aid in stretch, it kinda makes sense to me.
So if I decide to grow this cut again I should just flip to 12/12 with say only 6-12 hours darkness?
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impressive..and your a noob? wow. how did your plants get so bushy, whats your top/prune schedule look like? cant wait to see how this turns out...1 per 1k dont see that very often! in regards to stretching...i flip straight to 12/12 and i get alot of stretch still..
mikeross
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Yeah I am most deffinately a noob but have been around indoor gardens for the last ten+ years. All dirt garden mind you so I did have to do a little studying over at the farm in the mpb section.
With that said this is my first time every veggin out a plant, so not to sure if I did anything wrong.
I got them all up to about 15" in a seperate room for about 3 weeks. The first week I did nothing to them but water once and lower the lights down about a inch or 2 per day. End of second week I decided to topped 1 plant for testing and supercrop the others. Now that I look back I realize I should have not supercroped them and i think I lost a few inches in hieght because I supercropped. I thought it would aid in getting them bush, which they did but its totally not needed and heres why.
The growth in these 27 gallon containers it just unreal. no way to explain it. Even with this kush cut which is a notoriously slow vegger the plant still grows 2" a night at least. Its not the vertical growth thats impressive. Its all the side branches stretching out and filling in in a matter of days.
anyways, every day when I check my rez I go in the room for about ten minutes and pull the branches down, then out through the 6x6 cages. The cages makes the previous supercropping not needed. I should have just left them alone and used the cages to bend the branches down rather then me squeezing the stem to bend. It really opens the plants up. In a matter of days I am already pulling new growth through the cages once again. I have been doing it every other day since they went into the mpbs and will continue up to day 21 of bloom when I do a quick cleanup.
I dont think I am going top these guys, happy with the growth thus far and kinda worried about side growth overgrowing the space.
Plants are way bigger than those pics from last week... will update tomorrow.
With that said this is my first time every veggin out a plant, so not to sure if I did anything wrong.
I got them all up to about 15" in a seperate room for about 3 weeks. The first week I did nothing to them but water once and lower the lights down about a inch or 2 per day. End of second week I decided to topped 1 plant for testing and supercrop the others. Now that I look back I realize I should have not supercroped them and i think I lost a few inches in hieght because I supercropped. I thought it would aid in getting them bush, which they did but its totally not needed and heres why.
The growth in these 27 gallon containers it just unreal. no way to explain it. Even with this kush cut which is a notoriously slow vegger the plant still grows 2" a night at least. Its not the vertical growth thats impressive. Its all the side branches stretching out and filling in in a matter of days.
anyways, every day when I check my rez I go in the room for about ten minutes and pull the branches down, then out through the 6x6 cages. The cages makes the previous supercropping not needed. I should have just left them alone and used the cages to bend the branches down rather then me squeezing the stem to bend. It really opens the plants up. In a matter of days I am already pulling new growth through the cages once again. I have been doing it every other day since they went into the mpbs and will continue up to day 21 of bloom when I do a quick cleanup.
I dont think I am going top these guys, happy with the growth thus far and kinda worried about side growth overgrowing the space.
Plants are way bigger than those pics from last week... will update tomorrow.
I have had runs were I go 18/6 for a week then 12/12. I have read that the longer dark period before the flip slows stretch.
Also I have heard it helps sativas and other long week strains to have a 24 - 36 hour dark then start 12/12.
great set up and grow,
looks great and for the experience you have under your belt even better mike!
I have a Q for you on the red tape your using, on the the 1st page looks like your using it to seal the the sel on the glass to the hood.
what kind of tape are you using that takes that kind of heat
looks great and for the experience you have under your belt even better mike!
I have a Q for you on the red tape your using, on the the 1st page looks like your using it to seal the the sel on the glass to the hood.
what kind of tape are you using that takes that kind of heat
mikeross
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its called tuck tape and can be found at homedepot. I found it to be the only type of tape to really sticky to the good and wont come unstuck with heat buildup like say duct tape would.
Its actually a tape used to union plastics like vapour barriers and panada plastic but can be used for anything you like.
Its actually a tape used to union plastics like vapour barriers and panada plastic but can be used for anything you like.
Impressive grow, but i've got to say, "upgradeable to 17k" thats quite intense, is there REALLLY a need for all that light? I'd recommend a flipflop box and two flowering rooms for a more perpetual harvest. Again, some of us are go big and go home and the ones who bet big to win big, very pretty room, respectable cleanliness! Good luck, this is ganna be one hella of a ride.... i hope you have a trimming crew
mikeross
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Thanks for the comments guys.
I have been reading these forums for about a year, couple hours a day. I originally planned to do a heath robinson style grow and had plan in effect when I came across these MPB's. I decided to hold off on the project and learn a little more about mpbs. I am so glad I made the switch. I am now completely legal and well under my plant numbers. With heaths setups I would have to run a serious amount of plants and deffinately would not be within my plant limits. Its not like I just decided to start growing yesterday. It took a lot of reading and lots of research. With that said I still am a noobie. I have learn so much in the last 6 weeks growing these girls out... so many improvements already can be made for round two. I can only imagine the type of knowlegde some of you members have.
Now that the plants are really starting to grow out I think 600's for outside lights instead of 1ks will still aid big time in with the yeilds, and smash the gpw figures. The room is upgradable to 17,000 watts but with the 600's the room will be 13,000 watts... 7-1ks & 10-600's.
I have been reading these forums for about a year, couple hours a day. I originally planned to do a heath robinson style grow and had plan in effect when I came across these MPB's. I decided to hold off on the project and learn a little more about mpbs. I am so glad I made the switch. I am now completely legal and well under my plant numbers. With heaths setups I would have to run a serious amount of plants and deffinately would not be within my plant limits. Its not like I just decided to start growing yesterday. It took a lot of reading and lots of research. With that said I still am a noobie. I have learn so much in the last 6 weeks growing these girls out... so many improvements already can be made for round two. I can only imagine the type of knowlegde some of you members have.
Now that the plants are really starting to grow out I think 600's for outside lights instead of 1ks will still aid big time in with the yeilds, and smash the gpw figures. The room is upgradable to 17,000 watts but with the 600's the room will be 13,000 watts... 7-1ks & 10-600's.
mikeross
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what up fellas? Sorry for the delay with the promised updates.
We are 12 days into 12/12 in these pics. I actually don't know if I am ahead or behind in the way the plants are suppose to look. There are bud sites all over the place with what looks like 4-6 hairs coming off each site... please excuse my noobness :banana1sv6:
I still dont know what I am doing regarding taking pics but I did manage to take them all at lights off. It was a pain in the ass... need to get one of those green bulbs.
some root porn and res shots...
plant hit by 4 lights...
hit by 3 lights...
hit by 2 lights...
All root masses are simliar with 2-4 light hit plants... its the outside plants getting hit by only 1 light that show a dramatic difference. Also would like to point out I am running DD nute schedule and have not started using my hydro sparkle yet. I do plan to start using it on the next res change.
Like I said before in previous updates I am looking for the flaws in this system and encourage a discussion on how I can improve things.
We are 12 days into 12/12 in these pics. I actually don't know if I am ahead or behind in the way the plants are suppose to look. There are bud sites all over the place with what looks like 4-6 hairs coming off each site... please excuse my noobness :banana1sv6:
I still dont know what I am doing regarding taking pics but I did manage to take them all at lights off. It was a pain in the ass... need to get one of those green bulbs.
some root porn and res shots...
plant hit by 4 lights...
hit by 3 lights...
hit by 2 lights...
All root masses are simliar with 2-4 light hit plants... its the outside plants getting hit by only 1 light that show a dramatic difference. Also would like to point out I am running DD nute schedule and have not started using my hydro sparkle yet. I do plan to start using it on the next res change.
Like I said before in previous updates I am looking for the flaws in this system and encourage a discussion on how I can improve things.
mikeross
Member
Thanks for the tip... care to elaborate? I started them out a little higher than usually based off a recommendation from the guy I got them from... I was told they are heavy feeders and witness it in his own garden.
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DHF
Just found this un MR.......I gotta give mad respect for yas jumpin head first into an intermediate hydro setup with megawattage without ever having run anything like this before........shows you did massive homework and research.......
Clean room setup with all the bells and whistles that I know cost a pretty penny ta get goin.......If they`re only 12 days into bloomage and spittin pistils already , I`d haveta say she`s either gonna be a fast finisher , or that 30 hrs darkness threw her into flower much faster than just pullin the trigger on 12/12........could be completely strain related though as I`m not familiar with the cut you`re runnin.........
For the record......stretch is 40% of a plants flower cycle , so for instance if it`s a 10 week strain/variety , then she should stretch for 4 weeks thereabouts and start spittin pistils in about 3 or lil less......
When I ran krusty buckets way back when , we ran veg nutes for the first 4 weeks of flower for all the stretch we could squeeze out of em , flushed for 36 hrs and then shoved bloom nutes up their ass for budset and swellage till finish.......
Gladta hear yas say you`re gonna run her again to try and dial her in cuz yas never know whatchas can do till yas monocrop ta squeeze out every gram you can from each plant........
I would try and talk yas outta runnin more than 1 variety in a fast hydro setup for the sheer reason no 2 strains eat/suck juice the same , and what might do well on the OG`s could possibly cause lockouts and stunted growth for the other variety runnin the same ppm`s........Maybe they`d be fine , but the only wayta know is ta run em separately and see how they do by themselves....
Anyways.......just wanted ta stop in and say yer doin 1 helluva job and ta keep up the killer work.........Keep out the light leaks , and make sure rez and bottom bucket temps stay above 65 and not more than 68 for optimum rootmass management.......
Old krusty tip for rootzone protection is 5 ml per gal of SM-90 for root rot prevention along with the rootzone temp management.....
Another surefire wayta ta stretch em out as much as possible is as mistress said to raise the lights on em till stretch is over , and then drop em back down amongst the plants once budset has begun........
Bottoms of the bulbs 6" above the plants tops for max stretch and adjust daily , then top of the outlet box at plant top height once stretch is over for blastin lumens sideways into the inner canopies..............
Holler if I can help.......Old retired fart over here bored ta tears with many many yrs of hydro experience.........
Peace....DHF.......
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Clean room setup with all the bells and whistles that I know cost a pretty penny ta get goin.......If they`re only 12 days into bloomage and spittin pistils already , I`d haveta say she`s either gonna be a fast finisher , or that 30 hrs darkness threw her into flower much faster than just pullin the trigger on 12/12........could be completely strain related though as I`m not familiar with the cut you`re runnin.........
For the record......stretch is 40% of a plants flower cycle , so for instance if it`s a 10 week strain/variety , then she should stretch for 4 weeks thereabouts and start spittin pistils in about 3 or lil less......
When I ran krusty buckets way back when , we ran veg nutes for the first 4 weeks of flower for all the stretch we could squeeze out of em , flushed for 36 hrs and then shoved bloom nutes up their ass for budset and swellage till finish.......
Gladta hear yas say you`re gonna run her again to try and dial her in cuz yas never know whatchas can do till yas monocrop ta squeeze out every gram you can from each plant........
I would try and talk yas outta runnin more than 1 variety in a fast hydro setup for the sheer reason no 2 strains eat/suck juice the same , and what might do well on the OG`s could possibly cause lockouts and stunted growth for the other variety runnin the same ppm`s........Maybe they`d be fine , but the only wayta know is ta run em separately and see how they do by themselves....
Anyways.......just wanted ta stop in and say yer doin 1 helluva job and ta keep up the killer work.........Keep out the light leaks , and make sure rez and bottom bucket temps stay above 65 and not more than 68 for optimum rootmass management.......
Old krusty tip for rootzone protection is 5 ml per gal of SM-90 for root rot prevention along with the rootzone temp management.....
Another surefire wayta ta stretch em out as much as possible is as mistress said to raise the lights on em till stretch is over , and then drop em back down amongst the plants once budset has begun........
Bottoms of the bulbs 6" above the plants tops for max stretch and adjust daily , then top of the outlet box at plant top height once stretch is over for blastin lumens sideways into the inner canopies..............
Holler if I can help.......Old retired fart over here bored ta tears with many many yrs of hydro experience.........
Peace....DHF.......
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