what can i get with 2.5k perpetual grow

[dtfsux]

this is new so your saying that from the main's 50 dp is really 100 amps if wired at 120? the main is going feeded via 8 to sub panel with (6) 20 amp single pole. then from the sub 6x 20 a 12 /2 wire to 20 amp outlet.
so main issue is that 12/2 wire to outlet that i will plug stuff in?

* so i have enough amps? at current setup?

well I am totally sorry it never said in this thread it was a sub panel and he referred to it as a breaker box.

There ya go big mouth... hey your words not mine. LOL

I can get a case of the bitchies too. It is all good


Like I said I have been following his posts trying to get his grow started and its like trying to get a blind person to read to you.

Gus, I am going to cyber slap you if you buy a portable AC. Have you read any of the posts here on portables? Single hose units suck donkey balls and a monkeys ass. Dual hose units suck only balls (meaning they work a little better). they suck out Co2 and smell

get a mini split if you can, they are pricey. Or a wall banger and build a box if you have to.

No portable AC !!!!!!!




Jacuzzi I still think you are wrong about doubling the amps. But I may be wrong.

So let me get this right, according to you, if you have a 200A service to your house and install all SP breakers, you could run 200A on each leg and a total of 400A? So you would be running 400A through the 200A breaker?

 

[JacuzziSplot]

Jacuzzi I still think you are wrong about doubling the amps. But I may be wrong.

So let me get this right, according to you, if you have a 200A service to your house and install all SP breakers, you could run 200A on each leg and a total of 400A? So you would be running 400A through the 200A breaker?

No 50 amp service is a special case and confuses many people. 50 amp service is old school double pole double throw breakers if you reach 50 amps on either leg it blows the main and you loose all power. 100, 150, and 200 is straight forward.

Edit: To better explain with 50 amp service the 240v is split before the breaker at the transformer (thats what I was trying to explain with the whole power in equals power out with transformers) so you have 2 seperate 120v circuits coming in and out. You have to put them back together to get 240v. with 100, 150, 200 amp service the breaker is on the 240v coming from the transformer and the output is split through the power buses. The breaker will blow at whatever the breaker amp rating is whether your using 120v or 240v. So in this case you can double your power output using 240v instead of 120v because the breakers dont care about what voltage your running they blow based on amps.

 

[dtfsux]

What? So why would that matter? Get another - and this time do it right and get it by recomendation.

Its one thing to ask for a little clarification on something or to ask someone to once over you're work - but obv telling someone to start working on their breaker, sub panel, ect with them knowing (admitingly) very little about electrical work?! I've watched people set stuff up "knowing" what they were doing that was a fire hazard waiting to explode. Just because its wired right it can still not meet code. What if theres been a recent addition to his electrical code or something you guys are unaware of?

My advise is just to get a reputible company by recomendation and start over. If guy bailed on you last time - shouldnt have cost ya nothing so whats the worry? If he did some how scam you - go after them. thats crap.

If you want to save costs - Just take classes. Look for some good electrical classes at a near by college and just take those. Personally - with something like wiring a house, you'll get a different answer everytime. However, having a local company come do it assures you that its done to you're local code, and if anything is "different" then it should be, they'll know what to do and you wont be left hanging.

Teamwork first... then safety

What is wrong with his wiring? nothing that you know of. His sub-panel is powered by #8 wire and his 20amp circuits are powered by #12 wire. His wiring is fine. The only issue is everything was setup for 120, not 240. The electrician left after it was setup. I didn't tell him to do anything with his panel. I think he should leave it alone, plug some lights in and start growing

Seriously, you dont know how 240 splits into 120, you also suggested in another thread that somebody not install a ground because it was dangerous.

You should stay away from giving electrical advice.





jacuzzi, thanks for clarifying

 

[Cannarado]

Never said installing a ground is dangerious, doing it wrong can be.

And if you read, the advice im giving is to get a professional. Im not giving any sort of advice. Also never said anything was wrong. Im going off what i read in this thread and thats that he was trying to possibly have to re-wire his house to run what he wants. He obv doesnt know much about how house electricity works, so my advice is get a professional to the house cause it could be different then what people are saying on the net. Not every house is wired/plumbed/built the same. Been threw the architectual field a bit and leared how not the same everything is, tho it should be.

And whopty doo if i dont know how 240 splits to 120, i've just asked a few electricians and was told NO. Obv i didnt argue the point. Im just passing on what i've been told. If i sat down and studied it, maybe then i would get it. But frankly - i dont care. I have a master electrician in the family that will wire whatever i want, as well as a friend, and a few plumbers too. Its good being in retail - you get the connects to do it for you. I slowly pick up the DIY parts of it so i can do it myself next time.

 

[Marshall]

Never said installing a ground is dangerious, doing it wrong can be.



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You stated doing it wrong only after being called on it. Your original post said they should not ground the device because it was dangerous.

And whopty doo if i dont know how 240 splits to 120, i've just asked a few electricians and was told NO. I have a master electrician in the family that will wire whatever i want, as well as a friend, and a few plumbers too. Its good being in retail - you get the connects to do it for you. I slowly pick up the DIY parts of it so i can do it myself next time.

You better find some new connects cause the ones you have dont seem to be to smart if they cant explain how 240 splits into 120 in residential service

 

[Cannarado]

You stated doing it wrong only after being called on it. Your original post said they should not ground the device because it was dangerous.



You better find some new connects cause the ones you have dont seem to be to smart if they cant explain how 240 splits into 120 in residential service

Ok sure... see it as you will. And actually my connects are fine. They know their limit, and i've never had the TWO Master electricians (one for 5 years now, one for 15) talk to me because honestly one's a dick - i hate talking to him, i just say "Heres money, wire this up" and the other i dont talk to often... He's set up a brewery in his house and i had just talked to him about possibly wiring up a grow house after telling me about the new job he landed, and he said give him a call... he'd do it for a case of beer.

As far as them explaining how to split a 240, a lady had come in to the store we were at and was looking for a adapter for her 240 to make two 120's out of it. We discussed it a bit and decided it wasnt doable, at least for her to do (76 year old lady). We never talked about how it comes into a house or anything. Im sure if i cared enough to take it to my uncle and i could sit threw his BS rambles, He could wire up some of the greatest boxes ever... but i'd rather my other friend (worked the electrial field for 8 years now) do the actual wiring on it because his wiring is so freaking clean, and have my uncle inspect it.

Again, notice how im not debating that its doable. Just stating my knowledge. If i thought it truely wasnt doable, i'd be arguing agaisnt it but as you see - i have nothing. Im not an electrician... im not scared to admit that.

 

[floater]

Hey dtf so i did what you suggestedd i got a

"cap ebb n gro" 12 site 2 gal bucket system

i got a multi watt 600w 750w 1k and super lumen lumatek

1 mag xxxl 6"

1 hortilux blue day light mh

1 100ft x10ft 5.5 mil b/w film.

all this was for $1,230

i got an addtional 2 grand to blow

and what i mean as far as more recommendations like ex

is it better to run (2) 4" inline fan with carbon fiters or 1 bigger one?

im more concern about intinal cost rather then electrical consmption.

ouch. bought all that shit without really thinking, eh? first thing, before buying lights- setup, or at least plan, completely. ventilation is HUGE. should know how much you'll need, and how it will manifest physically.

get a 6" inline, minimum 400cfm (Can 6" HO would work). this way you can upgrade later. more airflow is better. figure a fan and filter combo will run $350-400 (can 33 or Can 50 if you wanna move up someday).

Ebb n grows are notorious for leaking. CAP products suffer from cheap materials. i'd think 'bout returning that. try a simple drip hydro with coco to start. much more forgiving, and plants blast through that shit. much cheaper than the Ebbgrow to setup, less problems with leaks/shitty controller bucket)

with that cash...

you'll need water below 300ppm, or an RO filter (i'd use one anyway if you can afford it. get at least 150 gallon per day rate $200-250), and a pH/TDS/EC meter (bluelab is best- $300+)

pH up/down, nutes (botanicare or GH).
oscillating fan

you'll spend a bunch on random crap to build the growroom (seems i always end up buying a bunch of shit at Home depot and the hydro shop that adds up a lot, and a lot of wasted $ is spent on shit you don't need, but think you do).

could always go the grow tent route to really accelerate setup- a good and simple, albeit confined/non-expandable investment.

 

[dtfsux]

I dont understand how power can come in at 240V and "split" to 120v. I've had these discussions many times at work (with eletricians) and it doesnt work that way. I COULD BE WRONG - but this all came about from a fool telling a lady she could take her dryer 240v and split it into two 120v's - And that doesnt work that way. Breaker boxes may be different - however, CONTANT A PROFESSIONAL.

Dude I am not trying to be a dick. Its fine that you do not know much about electricity. If you got people that get your shit wired and you get your grow on, great. All that matters is you got a safe op growing good bud.

But please do not make posts like the above. Now you come back and clarify that your staff deemed it not doable for an old lady. But in the post, you just say it cant be done and it doesnt work that way



Gus when we going to see some pics of plants?

 

[Cannarado]

But please do not make posts like the above. Now you come back and clarify that your staff deemed it not doable for an old lady. But in the post, you just say it cant be done and it doesnt work that way

You've misread. Its very clearly stated in my first post My thoughts on it, a bit of background on my reference for it, and the situation that had come about fot it to be in question. I even state - I COULD BE WRONG.

So how about before you try and jump me for something, you've clearly read the post. I didnt "come back to clarify" i did so in the inital post that you've quoted... Specifically "this all came about from a fool telling a lady she could take her dryer 240v and split it into two 120v's - And that doesnt work that way"

Later then marshall had called me out saying "You should find new connects" where i then simply further explain the story showing that my connects may know that its full well doable, but there was no need to explain that much of it to me. What happens at the box didnt apply to converting a 240 dryer outlet to two 120's. Obviously i should have added "so easily" or "im told" at the end.

So i really do think you are being a dick. You had even stated previously "Yea, you are wrong" and i took it offensively, but read what you posted and... cant argue. There was no point to you're post other then to call me out and you easily could have PM'd me. Im allowed to post whatever i'd like provided it follows rules and regulations - and im quite sure i have. I dont feel its you're right to tell/ask me what i should/shouldnt post.

As my sig states nice and bold - Read all posts before posting. It very well seems you assumed what you have read. This conversation about it should have died back when you and jacuzzi explained it. If i had truely disagreed - I would have started debating with you guys... i simply stated my experience with "240v into 120v" and that if he's that unsure, he really should call someone that does.

The other thread about grounds - may have had to clairfy a bit. We're a bunch of stoners on here... we forget to type things, some misread things, some totally ignore the post and reply to a thread title. But there was no clarifying here...

EDIT: I wont be responding anymore to anything twords me. PM me if you have an issue - this is Gus' thread about his grow he's trying to setup and obv needs help... lets focus on that.

 

[gus738]

So can we get back on thread? updates

So can we get back on thread? updates

hey guys so can we get back to my thread? i figured this was enough time. anyways since then i got 7 clones yesterday and have 1 clone on a plastic cup with grip. plus seedlings. so total plants 15 plants. and how is the easiest way to upload to here?

2 - head band (dont know if 707
2 -kryptonite
3 - nortern lights

rest are bag seed.

and cannarado yeah well i do care

whopty doo if i dont know how 240 splits to 120, i've just asked a few electricians and was told NO. Obv i didnt argue the point. Im just passing on what i've been told. If i sat down and studied it, maybe then i would get it. But frankly - i dont care..

i did leave it alone and hiring a pro that is close friend to my cousin. just gotta wait because the guy is putting wiring at a customers house. when he shows up though what i have him do.

What is wrong with his wiring? nothing that you know of. His sub-panel is powered by #8 wire and his 20amp circuits are powered by #12 wire. His wiring is fine. The only issue is everything was setup for 120, not 240. The electrician left after it was setup. I didn't tell him to do anything with his panel. I think he should leave it alone, plug some lights in and start growing