Genetically Engineered Cannabis

[DocLeaf]

Nice post Chimera we also run our own small organic seed bank,, and help out as seed guardians,, so the subject likewise interests us.

What we cant understand is why the seeds grew feral in the second season,, even in the ditches,, seeded up,, and then vanished the 3rd year. The same happened in our own gardens and we sure didnt spray anything. All the seeds,, from the 1st and 2nd season became sterile in the 3rd year also?? This combined with the fact that the UK Government were trialling GM Crops at this exact time in the UK (including hemp),, made us sceptical... and supported the conclusion we made as horticulturalists. All the plants were hermaphrodites,, something we'd never seen before then.

Please help educate me. Thanks

I look at feminized seed in cannabis like our little attempt at Monsanto's . Once you buy this seed you can't breed it. Headband707

That is NOT true buddy. We have bred feminized cannabis varieties in 2005 and again in 2009.. the offspring grew just fine,, all over the world. (see Marbled White and Painted Lady)

Feminized seeds are NOT genetically modified (NOT GMO) ...for now at least!

Peace n flowers

 

[rick shaw]

I remember hearing about US research on marijuana with little to no thc.Supposedly they could produce thc-less plants,but they would revert after one generation.I not sure if it is from Dr. Tod Mikuriya's vast body of research.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Not once does this say anything about a Terminator gene.

Do you understand where seeds for seedless watermelon come from?


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Have you read the thread? Does it matter if you want to call it a terminator gene, a terminator technology, or a GURT? Do you not understand the incessant ignorance that exudes from this community? Is this the time for an argument in semantics?

I'm sorry I called it a gene instead of a gene sequence and I'm sorry but seedless watermelon have nothing to do with GE seed. So on we go

 

[headband 707]

Chimera I will say this to you with the utmost respect bro. If there is anything I have learn over the years about our Gov. and what they do and that is this. They are 20 years ahead of everything we think we know.As far as the DEA not growing cannabis well they would get tied in with the whole BIG PHARA (Cesamet ect)wouldn't they as they all work for the same pay check don't they so I guess they are growing bud lol. Any man who knows a thing knows he knows not a damn thing at all peace out Headband707

 

[Ganja baba]

great place for what i think is none monsanto genetics in the uk
http://www.seedsavers.org/

 

[*mistress*]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=137029

 

[SOTF420]

Okay there you have it, there is no GM Cannabis it's just an urban legend. None of us know what we are talking about and everyone is just making this shit all up. Okay Chimera now we will all sleep better at night knowing whatever we read from you must be the truth & nothing but the truth along with insults, name calling, and all. Do you have any special kool aid to go with it? I will also take my barcode stamp on the forehead so I don't get lost great leader and mighty creator of (can't remember any of your strains) thanks!

Funny how you can tell people what they had & did not have as far as experimental all hermaphroditic hemp goes with potential traits suggesting "terminator genes" when you were not there and did not see it for yourself. It is possible for them to become non-viable or unable to grow in a healthy state after a generation or two instead of just not being able to produce offspring seed by using various genetic modifications you may or may not be aware of. Monsanto is evil and they may or may not have anything to do with GM Cannabis but I for one don't trust just what I read because I draw on real world experiences for information much like the real world experience DocLeaf has contibuted regarding possible genetically induced generational limitations on experimental hemp being grown in Europe.

There is also a global campaign funded by the US War on Drugs & the DEA to erradicate this plant we know and love. If you think it's all good and we have nothing to worry about well then you Sir are very naive & severely misinformed living in a fantasy world with your Shishkaberry crosses and so is your little ankle biter GITT. Thank you however for the biology lessons and time, you and your cheerleader are a true testament to book smarts & we all know how far that gets you. One day not far off if GM Cannabis comes into the scene....all the precious Cannabis seeds & plants just won't grow. I will be sure to keep a good stock of non-gm beans put aside for you guys so don't worry your little tushes one bit. Even then if all else fails we always can fall back on those artificial seeds right.

 

[ShroomDr]

Have you read the thread? Does it matter if you want to call it a terminator gene, a terminator technology, or a GURT?

Is this the time for an argument in semantics?

Yes it does matter calling it a gene vs a process. Details/semantics are ALWAYS very important.

Do you not understand the incessant ignorance that exudes from this community?

See above...


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Creating triploid seeds is Genetically Engineered(ing) Cannabis; the title of the thread. Creating triploid seeds is not a difficult process once you have the proper two parents.

If seed ventors start releasing triploids, you will not be able to breed with those plants, monstanto is not necessary. (Im pretty sure ive read Robert Clark, or some other 'big name' in canna, is already working on this.)

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Okay there you have it, there is no GM Cannabis it's just an urban legend.

THERE IS GM HEMP! Do you even read these threads or just post your stupid little opinions?

There is also a global campaign funded by the US War on Drugs & the DEA to erradicate this plant we know and love. If you think it's all good and we have nothing to worry about well then you Sir are very naive & severely misinformed living in a fantasy world with your Shishkaberry crosses and so is your little ankle biter GITT. Thank you however for the biology lessons and time, you and your cheerleader are a true testament to book smarts & we all know how far that gets you. One day not far off if GM Cannabis comes into the scene....all the precious Cannabis seeds & plants just won't grow. I will be sure to keep a good stock of non-gm beans put aside for you guys so don't worry your little tushes one bit. Even then if all else fails we always can fall back on those artificial seeds right.

You're a kunt. Put me on ignore please. I believe Chimera and I both gave you some realistic worries to have about what the large agribiz corporations have been/are doing. Not sure what your contribution has been. Please put me on ignore and we can be done with derailing threads in pointless ways

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Creating triploid seeds is Genetically Engineered(ing) Cannabis; the title of the thread. Creating triploid seeds is not a difficult process once you have the proper two parents.

No creating triploids is not genetically engineering seeds. They are not GMOs.

Yes it does matter calling it a gene vs a process. Details/semantics are ALWAYS very important.

See above...

semantics FTW!

 

[ShroomDr]

GMO = Genetically Engineered Organism (= GEO?)
GMO = Genetically Modified Organism.


Engineering is a man made process. Humans have been genetically engineering crops and animals since before recorded history. Grasses and Canines seem to be what we are best at.

Mules are genetically engineered to be less stubborn than a donkey, yet sure-footed & hardier than a horse. Mules have been engineered to be a better tool for humans, they cannot breed, yet we have made them for centuries. Find a natural population of mules?

I asked about a terminator gene, and chimera was the first to post about an actual gene.

The gene is unnecessary, monstantos development of these genes is incredibly reckless imho. But this thread isnt titled: Monstanto GMO and cannabis. Semantics.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the human manipulation of an organism's genetic material in a way that does not occur under natural conditions. It involves the use of recombinant DNA techniques, but does not include traditional animal and plant breeding or mutagenesis. Any organism that is generated using these techniques is considered to be a genetically modified organism. The first organisms genetically engineered were bacteria in 1973 and then mice in 1974. Insulin producing bacteria were commercialized in 1982 and genetically modified food has been sold since 1994.

Google is my friend. Until they change their name to Skynet and I see them for who they truley are....

 

[ShroomDr]

Genetic engineering, also called genetic modification, is the human manipulation of an organism's genetic material in a way that does not occur under natural conditions.

Find a natural population of mules. Are Mules considered GMO?


Of course not. GMO is considered genetically altering an organisms DNA. GMO wasnt a hot word until monstanto and the like, started fucking with organisms genome.

The thread is not titled Genetically Modified Cannabis, although that is what most of the posts seem to have been. All i have (attempted) to illustrated is that F1 triploids can be (and i believe are being) developed. ANYONE could label it a 'terminator process' but it would not require a terminator 'gene'.

Hell, it would actually solve SOF and Chimeras many disagreements, breeders could release seeds creating uniform F1' plants that would be sterile. 1:1 wouldnt be near the detriment, there couldnt be a genetic bottleneck, no genes could be passed on.

i think sellling triploid seeds is bullshit btw.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

I don't see the point in painting with such a large brush. If you want to call everything that has ever been bred by man a GMO then we need a new word to distinguish that sort of breeding work from the type that uses recombinant DNA. I can't fathom what purpose this argument serves.

 

[SOTF420]

Since we are on the subject I have a few hundred seeds kept from one triploid parent out of a Swt x BB/Swt Sk crossing many years back the specific BB/Swt Sk parent was very BB leaning with very dark Indica leaves & had 3 leaves and nodes since germination. It even had 3 water leaves so I feel it was a true triploid if that is in fact a qualifier.

They are F1 seeds and almost all the offspring when grown out have 3 nodes just like the mother and it made viable seeds obviously. What would be your recommendations for this line if any and what should they do or not do?

Is this a common trait to be passed on to offspring in such a high quantity and do you think it can be fixed? This mother plant, due to the 3 flower sites per node made many more seeds than the other plants with 2 nodes for obvious reasons.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

A triploid has three sets of chromosomes not three sets of branches on each node.

 

[SOTF420]

Triploid may not be the correct scientific term and I'm not overly worried about it so let's call it a 3 legged mule for conversation sake, it does'nt really change the question or situation though. I guess neither of you have an answer just more insults but that is expected when I posted my question. Thanks again both of you so helpful.

 

[Kushy]

I really did not think this was going to escalate this far but there are great points on different views. Thats what makes this word run.

I want to also discuss the possibilities of the government running thousands of acre's of Hemp to produce Fuel! I read about this some where and really didnt know where to post it. But since its already escalated this far and my class tomorrow will be discussing I would love some insight. Do you think this would ever be possible? Or maybe by then they will have a way of making more bushier plants to produce hemp to fuel our cars? We are running out of fossil fuels and it will be sooner than we think.

 

[SOTF420]

Anything is possible with the Cannabis plant brother, it's a miracle of life.

 

[Chimera]

Still suffering from "if-I -write-it-on-the-internet-it-must-be-true syndrom huh soffie-troll?

Your conclusions are at odds with masses of real research on the matter... got pics to back p your claims? of course you don't.

There are literally hundreds of threads on IC and other forums discussing whorled phyllotaxy.... Sam has posted the same that whorled plants don't out-yield non-whorled plants...I've seen it myself many many times. Most often, whorled plants are MALE anyhow.

So post up those pics and prove the masses of real data wrong... you can do that, can't ch'ya trollio?

The ever un-popular (who f'kn cares LOLOL!),
-Chimera