ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[JackTheGrower]

on the business opportunity, i've got to think that a modular, self contained, fire proof, water proof, UL certified, building code certified, grow chamber would be one hell of a seller<br>
rated say, for a single 600w bulb which is a favorite of many here<br>
toss in a insulation failure sensing extension cord(which do exist), i'd think many objections would begin to fade with the extreme reduction in property risk

Or even a modified garden shed with an open roof?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

''Has anyone determined that Prop 19 will not stop Medical people from having a Garden on rented property as they can now. ''

Really.....well that should be up to the landlord and the person that is renting the property to come to an agreement about.... or not as the case may be.....

If I was renting a property to a medical grower then I would be sure to check that they were growing in such a way that the property would not suffer because of it........and if the medical grower was causing damage or risk to the property due to the horticultural activity taking place then I would not allow it......

to make an analogy......if you rented cars for a living and the persons that rented the cars from you were engaging in street/banger racing.....so when you got the cars back they were considerably damaged beyond normal wear and tear.......would you still be able to make a viable business out of car rentals?

 

[igrowone]

Or even a modified garden shed with an open roof?

lots of ways to setup a nice, safe grow chamber
for the typical landlord, if there is some brand name(s) grow chambers that get the 'gold seal' from residential insurers, i'd think that would be a huge money maker
not cheap, but would be a big step in making apartment grows respectable

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Or even a modified garden shed with an open roof?

Millions of people rent apt's/flats e.t.c. without outside gardens .....even if they do have a balcony they may wish to grow indoors due to security or seasonal reasons.....and this can be done relatively safely if the grower has the required knowledge to do so.......but thru mishaps and mistakes could still cause property damage....

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Nice try but I LOVE YOU MAN!



You see the lack of intelligent content makes me compassionate to your obvious lack of literary skill.

Try reinforcing your argument rather than resorting to violence! You are violating the TOU.

So what about the Property owners being able to say no to a medical garden because of prop 19?

Come on you can do it.

Threatening violence? Wow no wonder you think the way you do. Sounds like you have mental health issues....

 

[JackTheGrower]

''Has anyone determined that Prop 19 will not stop Medical people from having a Garden on rented property as they can now. ''

Really.....well that should be up to the landlord and the person that is renting the property to come to an agreement about.... or not as the case may be.....

If I was renting a property to a medical grower then I would be sure to check that they were growing in such a way that the property would not suffer because of it........and if the medical grower was causing damage or risk to the property due to the horticultural activity taking place then I would not allow it......

to make an analogy......if you rented cars for a living and the persons that rented the cars from you were engaging in street/banger racing.....so when you got the cars back they were considerably damaged beyond normal wear and tear.......would you still be able to make a viable business out of car rentals?

Well there has always been contracts. That wouldn't change even if the Per property part was replaced with per-Adult.

There seems to be no qualifying under prop 19 as far as I can tell it just gives the right to stop gardens even if it causes no damage to one class of people over another.

That is why I am asking if anyone has gone over this.

Honestly medical people could be discriminated against that weren't discriminated against before it looks like so, I am asking straight up.

Does this place new law on the books to stop medical people from growing especially in areas not served by dispensaries?

I need to read all the replies in the thread next I just saw yours first.

 

[JackTheGrower]

lots of ways to setup a nice, safe grow chamber
for the typical landlord, if there is some brand name(s) grow chambers that get the 'gold seal' from residential insurers, i'd think that would be a huge money maker
not cheap, but would be a big step in making apartment grows respectable

I just worry that a new wave of War against Cannabis people will be supported by the Property rule in Prop 19.

I'm not sure if any of you have lived in Central Valley but the area isn't very liberal and there could be blanket discrimination supported by the Property rules.

So that is what I have worked up to today.

So far there has been some respect for medical gardens in the area but not much.

 

[chapstick]

Are the feds just going to sit back and let people openly operate commercial grows and have storefronts selling recreational marijuana? I can't imagine them saying "Oh, ok, you win. Good game." Maybe they will, but...

If they do start (or ramp up) raiding and charging people, are they going to differentiate between medical and recreational, or are they going to go after all things cannabis?

I'm not a Cali resident, and I don't live in a med state, but from what little I've read it seems the Obama administration has somewhat lightened up on the persecution of people involved with medical marijuana. Will that still be the case if Cali "legalizes" recreational marijuana?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

If anyones going to get raided and take it to court, its going to be richard lee.

Alot of people talk shit on the dood, but who else has the balls to do what he is doing?

Ive never liked lee and his oakland posse.... but you have to give credit where credit is due.

And if anyones going to take a mj states right battle to court, id rather it be lee.

Hes got the money and the non threatening freedom fighter wheel chair persona going for him...

If anyone stands a chance to win it,,,, its going to be lee.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Are the feds just going to sit back and let people openly operate commercial grows and have storefronts selling recreational marijuana? I can't imagine them saying "Oh, ok, you win. Good game." Maybe they will, but...

If they do start (or ramp up) raiding and charging people, are they going to differentiate between medical and recreational, or are they going to go after all things cannabis?

I'm not a Cali resident, and I don't live in a med state, but from what little I've read it seems the Obama administration has somewhat lightened up on the persecution of people involved with medical marijuana. Will that still be the case if Cali "legalizes" recreational marijuana?

Several former Drug Tzars have come out against. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=186511

Until it is legalized Federally it's a good question if Oakland can get away with commercial ops.

Also whether or not a county can ban all dispensaries is still being worked out as well. http://www.corning-observer.com/news/city-8161-court-marijuana.html

There was good news that the Veterans admin is allowing Cannabis and that is federal and suggests they recognize it as medicinal even-though it is a Schedule 1 substance.

From what i have seen the Federal folks have to honor the States rights as was the ruling of the Dispensary case http://www.corning-observer.com/news/city-8161-court-marijuana.html
Federal laws do not trump State laws with Cannabis from what I read.

 

[kmk420kali]

Hmmm....I was just thinking that some entrepreneurially minded landlord might create many rentable 25 x 25 grow spaces with all the equipment and specs needed for individuals to grow their own in......

This could be a good business for someone that could partition up some factory/warehouse area and has the required knowledge to run it all safely within city/county guidelines.......and possibly individual grows within that establishment could be monitored by the management if the grower renting the space needed to go on holiday or couldn't watch their grow due to sickness e.t.c.....

This could be a good solution if a landlord is not ok with you growing within a rented residence due to the distinct possibility of indoor growing causing mold/electrical/plumbing/humidity/fire/pest problems within a certain domicile.....

Nice...kind of like how Garages may come with your Apt...if there was a separate area with partitioned off areas...that could work!!
See there folks...a Job is born!!
And you might even be able to hire a "Caretaker"...to do your gardening...for a modest percentage--

 

[JackTheGrower]

Threatening violence? Wow no wonder you think the way you do. Sounds like you have mental health issues....

Oh I missed this post before.

It looks like that to me. When someone calls me names I figure they are not putting me on their Christmas card list.

If prop 19 clearly defines the right of a Land Owner to deny a Patent under prop 215 the privilege to grow meds then yes this is a bad Initiative and we should vote no.

If the patent under prop 215 can still have a garden under prop 215 despite objections by the property owner where that garden causes no harm to the property but the owner just doesn't like Cannabis for example then we should vote yes.

I am asking if voting yes ruins what little freedom I have where I live.

I cannot support something that takes away from medical people.

So I am asking what is the truth here with prop 19.. Does it protect patients to grow meds or does it establish rights of not the Doctor, not the patient but the one that profits from the property rent to discriminate and cause hardship on legal honest medical people.

I believe I have read in this thread that Prop 215 people are not going to be harmed but maybe that was not true..

So I am asking honestly and clear headed what the truth is.

 

[kmk420kali]

Honestly medical people could be discriminated against that weren't discriminated against before it looks like so, I am asking straight up.

Does this place new law on the books to stop medical people from growing especially in areas not served by dispensaries?

This was one of my main concerns about this...but, if you read the "Intent" part...it is specifically stated that the "Intent" of Prop 19, is to not effect Prop 215 Patients at all--
That is what will hold up in SCOTUS...oh yeah...this will all end up there--
Cops will be cops...and they will take this like the screaming crying bitches they are...but will lose in the end--
Like with 215...they will arrest everyone at first...then will be put in check when they lose all their Cases--
It all takes time-- Fuck it...I was an Outlaw from the beginning...I can hang a li'l longer--

 

[JackTheGrower]

Well I am asking..

Since Prop 215 doesn't say what we can have in terms of Cannabis and Prop 19 places that decision in the hands of the one profiting from the rent and not the medical person or the Doctor treating them.

I think the Medical system has been abused so long that it seems no one actually uses cannabis for medicinal reasons to the very folks making money selling meds to medical people.

This lady agrees https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=186509

Sorry I just thought of something else to add that might help some understand me efforts better.

I am not seeing the opposition making a serious move. This has me wondering if there is something about Prop 19 that is what they like. If the opposer can accept prop 19 then is it really all we can be?
I'm trying to understand now why two announced efforts have faded away.. The latest being Stop19.com

Why even FaceBook's No pot leaf because it is against the Tobacco rules will not have the effect of bolstering the opposition position.

I figure something is up. Since what a Dry county really wants is no Cannabis anywhere I have been looking at prop 19 closer to see if it actually will prohibit gardens totally along with no dispensaries.
I am wondering if there is something I have missed.

It is better to do something right the first time than to fix it a thousand times.

 

[dagnabit]

This has got my business mind firing off now....

Imagine going to visit a horticultural rental space that has 40 units or more to rent within one factory/warehouse area and they offer you many ways to grow......they have DWC rooms, SOG rooms, organic soil, coco-organic, hydro-organic and any other way imaginable to grow with any and all equipment needed to facilitate this.......or you could just build your own room with help from the management that would have to be checked to make sure you are doing things safely......

An on-site consultant could be available to help you maximize yields and help you prevent any mishaps since it would be to the advantage of the business that you achieve a successful grow and you could also meet other growers from the establishment that might want to share/trade clones and seeds with you whilst imparting the knowledge that will help you grow better and more efficiently as time goes by......

...it looks to me like this type of situation might well be completely legal under Prop 19......and could lead to many thousands more growers getting their fingers green and sticky....lol!

hey hey hey.....

i trademarked that idea about fifty posts back...

higher rent for "19 ok" homes and apartments.
warehouses divided into 25 sq' "grow apartments" for rent.

back up off my kool aid!

 

[kmk420kali]

back up off my kool aid!

So says Jim Jones!!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Well I am asking..

Since Prop 215 doesn't say what we can have in terms of Cannabis and Prop 19 places that decision in the hands of the one profiting from the rent and not the medical person or the Doctor treating them.

I think the Medical system has been abused so long that it seems no one actually uses cannabis for medicinal reasons to the very folks making money selling meds to medical people.

This lady agrees https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=186509

Sorry I just thought of something else to add that might help some understand me efforts better.

I am not seeing the opposition making a serious move. This has me wondering if there is something about Prop 19 that is what they like. If the opposer can accept prop 19 then is it really all we can be?
I'm trying to understand now why two announced efforts have faded away.. The latest being Stop19.com

Why even FaceBook's No pot leaf because it is against the Tobacco rules will not have the effect of bolstering the opposition position.

I figure something is up. Since what a Dry county really wants is no Cannabis anywhere I have been looking at prop 19 closer to see if it actually will prohibit gardens totally along with no dispensaries.
I am wondering if there is something I have missed.

It is better to do something right the first time than to fix it a thousand times.

Funny, I see cops, reps, and DAs throughout California lining up in opposition.

19 makes certain no city or official or cops can deny any adult the right to grow and possess. They can ban sales and commercial grows but not personal grows, consumption or possession.

I'll quote 19 if you don't believe me.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

hey hey hey.....

i trademarked that idea about fifty posts back...





back up off my kool aid!

....oh missed that dagnabit.......'Great minds......'...e.t.c.

....could eventually be as easy as renting storage space......nice thought eh?

 

[Smoke Buddy]

This has got my business mind firing off now....

Imagine going to visit a horticultural rental space that has 40 units or more to rent within one factory/warehouse area and they offer you many ways to grow......they have DWC rooms, SOG rooms, organic soil, coco-organic, hydro-organic and any other way imaginable to grow with any and all equipment needed to facilitate this.......or you could just build your own room with help from the management that would have to be checked to make sure you are doing things safely......

An on-site consultant could be available to help you maximize yields and help you prevent any mishaps since it would be to the advantage of the business that you achieve a successful grow and you could also meet other growers from the establishment that might want to share/trade clones and seeds with you whilst imparting the knowledge that will help you grow better and more efficiently as time goes by......

...it looks to me like this type of situation might well be completely legal under Prop 19......and could lead to many thousands more growers getting their fingers green and sticky....lol!

I like your idea. Got me thinkin... Maybe it could be done under a commercial permit rather than under your individual right... Then you sublet 5x5 areas so you are the landlord. Im sure the city permit and tax will be steep so you would have to work out the numbers and come up with a rate but hey why not? You could offer spaces completely outfitted and even supply the clones that have already been vegged in your commercial op... yeah, Im thinking big.
Actually a city might like the idea of the taxes for the permit plus the business license etc... and it would provide a legal private grow area for those who cannot or maybe even do not want a grow at their home for whatever reasons.

peace

ps- great site ya got here!

 

[rick shaw]

Gypsy with as bad as the California real estate market is I am sure that there are a couple of ideas floating around right now.