my female seed phobia is it warrented ???

[growhigh1234]

hiya there im new to the site just been readin and readin really loads of great info !!! just thought id make my first post !!

basicly i have a deep rooted fear of female seeds !!
i have this idea that there some how unnatural works of satan(666) !!

and that there suddenly gunna start hermieing everywere and pollenate my hole family lol

all this basicly stems from a pack of dp blueberry (witch was my first ever grow) ! that started growing big bannas a few weeks from flowering and every since even lookin at the fem section of the seed site i use makes me cringe !!!


what are your views, am i been irrational am i missin out on the ease and value fem seeds offer am i even been a fem seed bigot tarin all fem seeds with the same brush !

see im leaning towards givin fems another go but something is stopin me maybe a few words from an experianced grower might help me take the plunge !!! or not ! what ever the case maybe

 

[englishrick]

DP was the first company to offer feminized seeds,,,,,,they jumped the gun!,,,,they sold seeds without progeny testing them propperly first,,,,they didnt warn people that they only did half a job an all feminized lines were a work-in-progress,,,,,they didnt know what they were doing!!,,,,,,even i saw that clusterfuk,,,people i know [people i gave seed too] who tryed fems in the beggining from Dpassion sh1t themselfs when they saw the intersexed expreshion,,,so even i stayed away from them,,,,untill Rez did a load of fems and greenhouseseeds started selling them by the truckload,,,,

after a while i started hearing about extreemly good clones getting found in feminized seeds,,,,when i looked into it i relized that P1 selection was a massive factor in the epreshion of intersexed traits and also the expreshion of desiable traits too

selfing and feminization is solid as a breeding tool,,,DP just didnt know what to do with it

try some of greenhouse seeds new fem stuff,,,,you will probbly love em,,,,,my local headshop [witch i work in] basicly sells 99% GHS nowadays so ive seen my fair shre of fem grows nowadays,,an the plants are good!!,,,none of this Dpassion intesexed reviews i used to here,,,GHS did a half decent job [be it by luck or by skill],,the plants dont reverse nowadays,,,no bullsh1t

 

[WelderDan]

I've never bothered with fems. I rarely get more than a male or two from any given batch of seeds. I also enjoy being able to use those males to make crosses or F2's.

Given that fems tend to be more expensive, and hearing so many stories of hermies, I would rather spend my $ on regular seeds. But that's my preference.

Now, I'm sure there are plenty of folks who have had good results with fems, and everyone is free to make their own choices. But I just don't see the attraction to fems myself. Especially when some of the crosses and F2's I've made have turned out better than the parental stock. And they were free too!

I'd say if you want to run fems, then research that particular breeders fem line and see what kind of results others have had. If you see lots of hermie reports, stay away.

 

[jammie]

" have this idea that there some how unnatural works of satin !!" Trust me there's a lot worse breeders than satin around here.

 

[IWanaGetHiSoHi]

Does Satan (I'm assuming you meant Lucifer and not the fabric) have a complete seed line or does he just specialize in the Quince and Apples?

 

[englishrick]

i specialize in apples,,,,apples pie,,,just remember to stay away from the custard,,its evil,,,,,

close your mouth,,,dont look so shocked

 

[Growbrass]

Does Satan (I'm assuming you meant Lucifer and not the fabric) have a complete seed line or does he just specialize in the Quince and Apples?

My favorite line of the week! LOL!!!!

 

[tokinafaty420]

FEM seeds are just a way to prevent people from making F2s of their work. Some people who just cull males anyways should do just fine with females. However, people like me who do not like spending a small fortune on seeds need the males to create backups.

 

[Burt]

i think the fear is unfounded-i like ladies though so i may be biased

 

[englishrick]

lol,,,you can defo make "F2"/ incrosses with feminized seeds....you can be breed with fems using silver ion application,,,how do you think they made the fems in the first place,,,one of the P1 parents must have been selcted for sexual bipotancy,,,

monoecious x dioecious = 50:50 ratios

the breeders did it,, you can just do it again,,,,silver ion breeding is just a different style to M/F breeding

 

[tokinafaty420]

lol,,,you can defo make "F2"/ incrosses with feminized seeds....you can be breed with fems using silver ion application,,,how do you think they made the fems in the first place,,,one of the P1 parents must have been selcted for sexual bipotancy,,,

I know all about how fems are made. However, going through that process just to make F2s... give me a break.. I'll stick to the all natural m/f without any hormonal treatments. The only people actually doing that stuff are the ones trying to make money off of seeds. However, if you feel the need to breed with all females by all means have fun spending your money on silver. Enjoy your fems. BTW that wouldn't be F2s, you'd be selfing the plant all over again.

 

[englishrick]

are you the type of dude who likes to maintain his own seedlines?

im not a fan of 1:1 matings,,,,,if you breed M/F and you only do 1:1 you may aswll say goodby to your seedline now,,,,,feminization does not have to be 1:1 or selfpolination

if you want to maintain your own seedlines then you need to understand genetic-load and how accumulation of deletrious recessivs happen,,,,at that point you might take a second look into silver ion breeding as it has its advantages...

i respect your choice to stick to M/F breeding,,,its easyer!!,,,but if you want an improved method of evaluating polen-donors dont rule out feminization,,thats all im sayin

 

[SneakySneaky]

buy from female seeds, ive grown a lot of their strains and never had a hermie!! if you choose to go with dutch passion however, in that 10 pack youll get 8 herms and maybe 2 females.

Stick with Female Seeds, they are on seedboutique and the bay. hermie is unacceptable in their business

 

[Magic Man]

Way i figure it is, it don't happen in nature so i don't trust it
Like things the old fashion natural way i guess, and am still not sure this won't fuck the gene pool somehow in the next 50yrs.

 

[englishrick]

femaleseeds is a good sugestion!,,,,,i bet they know what they are doing!!,,,

ive never heard a report of intersexed probblems from femaleseed,,,good point sneeky

 

[Hammerhead]

I would agree with Eglishrick here fem seeds made today are not what was made when they first hit the scene. GHS is very good breeder of fem seeds. I do believe they know what there doing. I have tried, LS,SLH,SSH all where exceptionally good.

 

[englishrick]

SLH is fast becoming 1 of my alltime fave seeds,,,i know loads of people who have grown it and are growing it,,,loving it,,,many SLH phenos have a very nice lemony taste!!

 

[mule420]

Way i figure it is, it don't happen in nature so i don't trust it
Like things the old fashion natural way i guess, and am still not sure this won't fuck the gene pool somehow in the next 50yrs.

It's not fucking with any gene pool! The way they make fem seeds is to get the plant to withhold or block one chemical to force the fem side of the plant... Nature can survive,,, why do you think female plants "hermi"? < I fucking hate that word... So I will say again why do the female plants show intersexed traits late in flower? To procreate in absence of a male plant...

 

[hoosierdaddy]

It happens in nature, and when we chemically stress for pollen we are only manipulating what the plant has to offer to begin with.

Breeding for F2 with a female and her forced pollen sister is no different from mating the female with one of her brothers, except that all the progeny will be female from the former.
A similar genetic diversity will be shown in the F2 using both strategies.

And I don't see all the hermie reports...all I see is folks talking about how many hermie reports they hear. They simply don't exist because there is no problem with femmed seeds bringing about a higher propensity for the intersex trait to be shown.

Myth, misinformation, and rumor sucks bollocks... and is FAR worse a problem for the canna community than fem seeds ever was or will be.

 

[englishrick]

it does happen and it is natural,,,in fact it helps with avoiding problems

"cannabis is predominantly an outcrosser, although not absolute. the natural occurance of monoecous specimines has allowed some of the genetic load to be removed and therefore cannabis is somewhat more tolerant of inbreeding than other species such as dogs and humans. But still much less tolerant than selfing species such as most field crops."