Veg & bloom 1tsp. Flush 1Tbsp in a recirc NFT system w rockwool cubes.
Blackstrap Molasses during flush
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Veg & bloom 1tsp. Flush 1Tbsp in a recirc NFT system w rockwool cubes.
i do 5 gal individual bucket dwc and use 1-2 tsp per bucket weekly. as someone else pointed out, it does attract bugs so i keep my amount a little lower than some
calstar
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toohighmf, simple sugars as flushing agents, nice, thanks for the lesson. Outdoor container grow, any difference from hydro for flush? Has anyone dialed in the difference in using only water vs. flushing agents? I presume there is a method of measuring total salts removed/remainng very accurately but what is it?
EC of runoff.
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CANNATOPIA
Im realy gonna have ta go back to using it. TY for the info.
Tommy Trichome
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Thanks toohighmf & jammie!
@toohighmf - I do recirc top-feed in rockwool. So is that 1 tsp per gallon (seems like a lot) or for your whole rez? And if that's 1 tsp per rez, how many gallons is your rez to begin with? I use three 40 gallon rez's. TIA!
@toohighmf - I do recirc top-feed in rockwool. So is that 1 tsp per gallon (seems like a lot) or for your whole rez? And if that's 1 tsp per rez, how many gallons is your rez to begin with? I use three 40 gallon rez's. TIA!
I run 70 & 110g reses. I use 1tsp/gal, but I mix themolasses in warm water diluted. It's a lot of molasses, but my res is like a jacuzzi with all agitation of air pumps, aquarium filters & bluestone 1000gph pumps moving the solution. I also am almost constantly feeding so I get pretty good stability & suspension of my salts. Last grow using this method and some vermicrop teas I did not have a single bug. None. It was a first for me, as was adding vermi. I was waiting for bugs, but never happened. I should also mention that I topped my res off(10-20g daily) w straight water & calmg+ and changed out the res weekly. No flushes until the last 15 days.. I think topping off with water reduced the levels of molasses to some extent by the next res change. Hope that helps.
I also run 1/2 ABS pipe & fittings, as I worry about 1/4" drip line possibly clogging, and I put paint sprayer filters on my pumps. They cost a buck and have an elastic ring to easily squeeze the pump into and the power cord out. I rinse em hot water at every res change.
sudsandbuds
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ok so i too use molasses for my outdoor. i have read that everyone uses only 1-2 tsp per/gal but i use 1-2 tablespoons per/gal. this is my 2nd cycle using molasses and i have always used tablespoons. why do you all only use tsp?
Maybe because 1-2 tablespoons is too much and a waste?
sudsandbuds
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how would it be a waste?
How would it not be?
sudsandbuds
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ok so are you just assuming that its a waste or you just like repeating me? i clearly do not know and i am looking for an answer. i could re-ask myself a question too.
I was simply answering the question you were asking. You see that most all people are using 1tsp/gal or thereabouts, yet you chose to use 3-6 times more than that. I think the question should be in your court. I mean, surely there is a reason you decided to go so much more? More is better thinking?
What I know is that at the 1tsp/gal dilution the stuff shows no problems. I have heard of people wanting help with deficient plants and it was found they were using very high amounts of molasses.
And I think that if you take a good look at what hydro shops sell as carb provider/so called sweetener/chelating agents (more than likely nothing but a jug of blackstrap molasses) the dosage of 1tsp/gal blackstrap is much closer to what those products are recommending.
What I know is that at the 1tsp/gal dilution the stuff shows no problems. I have heard of people wanting help with deficient plants and it was found they were using very high amounts of molasses.
And I think that if you take a good look at what hydro shops sell as carb provider/so called sweetener/chelating agents (more than likely nothing but a jug of blackstrap molasses) the dosage of 1tsp/gal blackstrap is much closer to what those products are recommending.
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Rysam
look at health food stores. my local one carries it, but no "major" grocery stores in town do.
Im 530 too.
Im 530 too.
there's nothing magical about blackstrap mollasses, it just has a higher iron level, so unless your girls are menstrating in addition to budding, ya probably could get by with any unsulfured mollasses thats avail at any grocery for $3-4/bottle
If any molasses is available, then blackstrap can also be available. All the co's make the blackstrap cut as well as the others. Ask the grocer to stock blackstrap.
From what I have seen, it is very uncommon for a store not to have blackstrap if they have molasses at all. BG Foods makes Brer Rabbit brand BS...google their site and I think they have a store locate.
And blackstrap has a considerable amount of nutrient and sugar value over the other cuts.
The sugars in BS are more usable than the sugars in the other cuts.
BG Foods also has nutritional charts that will back that up.
This chart shows the nutrient profile of BS. Note the mineral and carb levels.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrientprofile&dbid=85
From what I have seen, it is very uncommon for a store not to have blackstrap if they have molasses at all. BG Foods makes Brer Rabbit brand BS...google their site and I think they have a store locate.
And blackstrap has a considerable amount of nutrient and sugar value over the other cuts.
The sugars in BS are more usable than the sugars in the other cuts.
BG Foods also has nutritional charts that will back that up.
This chart shows the nutrient profile of BS. Note the mineral and carb levels.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrientprofile&dbid=85
Strange way to go for a flush. EDTA is nonbiodegradeable and is too large a molecule to be uptaken by the plant. Basically, what EDTA (chelator as EDTA acid or Sodium EDTA) does is leave an ion on the root surface for uptake. The EDTA is then left in the soil and can act as a chelator for heavy metals such as Cadmium and Mercury. In other words you definitely don't want synthetic chelators such as EDTA and DTPA and EDDHA in high volumes during a flush.
Where sugars are concerned it all comes down to molecule size which determines uptake. So dextrose which has a small molecule (low molecular weight) is taken up while other sugars aren't due to them being of higher molecular weight. Science aside, molasses is great stuff and also provides potassium. Some of the sugars in molasses are low molecular weight while others aren't.
