What the best way to increase Terpene/Terpenoid production/complexity in Cannabis?

[Cannarado]

OMG Seriously? Thank god that guy bunked out... Or flammed his way to a kick. Geeze!

This thread just got a lil to sciency for me and my stoned and stayin up way to long ass... thats gnar car right there. But i just was gonna say its cute what he cited for me. The best part being Wiki... At least give me something credible if you want to try and debate something...

 

[Sir_Nugget]

Can you please enlighten me as to how soil increases flavor and aroma?

personally, i think it is because hydro grown plants grow disproportionally to soil grown plants... the plant matter in a hydro grown plant seems heavier, and harder... Now if your only interested in turning ur whole stash into hash, i think hydro is the way to go because you will get more resin, faster... it's the plant matter I don't like in hydro, but the resin won't be as dank either

 

[FireBlade]

nice thead

 

[Cannarado]

Im just saying dude was right. Heres a wikipidia exerpt:

"Certain aromatic thiols can be accessed through a Herz reaction."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organosulfur_chemistry

I dont read any Wiki. Its not regulated very well...

 

[Cannarado]

personally, i think it is because hydro grown plants grow disproportionally to soil grown plants... the plant matter in a hydro grown plant seems heavier, and harder... Now if your only interested in turning ur whole stash into hash, i think hydro is the way to go because you will get more resin, faster... it's the plant matter I don't like in hydro, but the resin won't be as dank either

First you were surefire that soil was better... now its personally. And im sorry, but that makes no sense. More plant matter = more growth. More growth is signs of better environment. Better environment means better bud. Resin is resin. Nutrients are Nutrients. Hydro vs Soil is preference, not quality...

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

Can you please enlighten me as to how soil increases flavor and aroma? You surely cant be telling me its the "Organic" part... you do realize hydro can be "Organic" as well. So what is it about the soil that makes it that much better?

And foxfarm is a wonderful starter Fert. Very soft feeding, hard to burn. Several buddies sware by it like you do - however when compaired to a more complex lineup such as Roots Organics - Fox Farm cant stand up to it. But each person has their picks... just sayin, Theres better stuff out there that when grown side by side (same cut, same medium, same light, diff nutes) foxfarm is... eh, ok. And when im saying this, its not just my friends use. They continue... i moved on. I've used Foxfarm, General Hydro, Roots Organics, and random crap found around the house such as coffee grounds and such.

I am excited to hopefully soon get a permanent set up going so i can do better comparisons... i really want to test all these "Resin boosters" and "Flavor enhancers"

flavour is in the genes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! usually hydro properly flushed taste better then soil,im the first to admit this, its just usually smoother. but iim a soil guy and almost despise hydro erb. smell is stronger in soil, there more sugars and more nutrients. the reason why soil erb is better then hydro= basic common sense, there more nutrition in dirt then a bottle of chems, if u dont get this u have no respect for life, there enough dna in a gallon of dirt to circle the glob a few times, a bottle of refined salts in some rockwool or coco just cant hold a candle to it, dirt grown also has a longer high.

hasnt anybody noticed how in the last ten years all the dope is dried n brittle and not as sticky as it used to be? this is what happens when u grow under a hps in a hyro medium, u get salt parched bare essential dope with a heavey hard hitting mono dimensional high.

 

[Cannarado]

flavour is in the genes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! usually hydro properly flushed taste better then soil,im the first to admit this, its just usually smoother. but iim a soil guy and almost despise hydro erb. smell is stronger in soil, there more sugars and more nutrients. the reason why soil erb is better then hydro= basic common sense, there more nutrition in dirt then a bottle of chems, if u dont get this u have no respect for life, there enough dna in a gallon of dirt to circle the glob a few times, a bottle of refined salts in some rockwool or coco just cant hold a candle to it, dirt grown also has a longer high.

hasnt anybody noticed how in the last ten years all the dope is dried n brittle and not as sticky as it used to be? this is what happens when u grow under a hps in a hyro medium, u get salt parched bare essential dope with a heavey hard hitting mono dimensional high.

Cute - its common sense now? Since when?! Your right... flavor, aroma, ect is in the genes - but we're on the discussion of how to best bring those sugers and terpins out from within the gene. Rather then rely on genetics, being able to do the best with what genes we have and such.

Can you tell me how there are more nutrients in soil then in hydro? When i was researching T.A.G. (True aeroponic growing) it was always said to be the "Most optimal" root growth environment. It lives in air (Thus optimal air intake), micro fine droplets (Of a synthetic, or organic) of nutrients (ready to use synthetic, or organic), as much water as it can uptake without ever being able to drown, and zero light... How is soil better? You can over water, or under water, suffocate it out, more likely to root bind. Also - NASA does aero.

And lets say soil is better... now explain your argument on how HPS is that much more inferior then the sun. I get it, its not as intense, and its not the full spectrum. But adding bulbs can get close to the spectrum and i still just dont get how it degrades the quality of the plant.

What does the DNA statement have to do with the discussion? DNA is not nutrients, and cant be fed to plants like the other your comparing it to. This isnt stem cell research - this is plant feeding and optimal conditions to get flavor and aroma.

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

my point is that full spectrum light and organics like poops and funjis n bacterias do as well as your going to get, and u can go nasa and add space shuttle moon dookie guano to your areoponic hydroorganoponic whateverponic setup, your just mimicing dirt with a whole lot of wasted effort or how i feel about it, making a living gardern into a science experiment that generally produces lesser qaulity product and ruins the peace of the process. so spelled out for the masses, full spectrum light, organics, nothing new under the sun sorry to remind u, and though i dont like hydro, u can learn alot about plants by learing from people that have learned alot about hydroponics since theyve chopped the process up so much from begining to end.



Before englightenment chopped wood carried water, after enlightenment chopped wood carried water. no were in the zen writting is it ever talk about what the nasa personal carried, peace.

 

[Cannarado]

my point is that full spectrum light and organics like poops and funjis n bacterias do as well as your going to get, and u can go nasa and add space shuttle moon dookie guano to your areoponic hydroorganoponic whateverponic setup, your just mimicing dirt with a whole lot of wasted effort or how i feel about it, making a living gardern into a science experiment that generally produces lesser qaulity product and ruins the peace of the process. so spelled out for the masses, full spectrum light, organics, nothing new under the sun sorry to remind u, and though i dont like hydro, u can learn alot about plants by learing from people that have learned alot about hydroponics since theyve chopped the process up so much from begining to end.



Before englightenment chopped wood carried water, after enlightenment chopped wood carried water. no were in the zen writting is it ever talk about what the nasa personal carried, peace.

Ummm... what? If ever your trying to talk about anything with someone, try acting intelligent. Nowhere in zen does it talk about growing weed.

The main reason to go soil over hydro is for Beni-bacteria. You can achieve that with hydro/aeroponic... minus all the spider mites and pests that can often come with soil. Chances are greatly reduced when using water as medium. As far as spectrum and all, that can be mimicked quite well. But that still doesnt show me how it degrades or lessons the quality and such of terpins. It'd be nice if you had anything other then your opinion to back all that up.

Nasa is the leading edge of research. They have created aeroponics as the perfect plant environment. Soil poses to many problems - Pests, fungus, mold, bacteria, over water, under water, lack of oxygen. Thats not to say you cant have those problems in aero... but pests, fungus, ect like that are MUCH less likely.

Ooze Bloom 2.5L


Ooze Bloom 2.5L - OOZE bloom uses cutting edge technology
developed through extensive research and development.
Based upon commercial essential oil technology advanced
through our research, we have been able to stimulate the
terpenoid production through natural bio-stimulants.
Combining this with our proprietary combination of
triacontanol, rare earth minerals, fulvic acid, vitamins and
amino acids.

OOZE bloom stimulates secondary metabolites which aid in
the synthesis of terpenoids and polyphenolic compounds
sometimes described as terpenophenolic compounds or
prenylated polyketides. The bio-stimulants stimulate geranyl
pyrophosphate (GPP) isopentyl pyrophosphate (IPP), dimethyl
allyl pyrophosphate (DPP) which are responsible for the
development of essential oils in flowering plants. Results you
can see oozing in 5-6 days.

OOZE bloom is highly concentrated at 1:4000 dilution ratio;
the 1L/1.06 Qt bottle makes 400 L/100gal and the 2.5L2.64 Qt
bottle makes 1000L/250gal.

Take control of your garden with OOZE bloom.

The most intresting thing ive found today...

Amazing find. I want...

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

Ummm... what? If ever your trying to talk about anything with someone, try acting intelligent. Nowhere in zen does it talk about growing weed.

The main reason to go soil over hydro is for Beni-bacteria. You can achieve that with hydro/aeroponic... minus all the spider mites and pests that can often come with soil. Chances are greatly reduced when using water as medium. As far as spectrum and all, that can be mimicked quite well. But that still doesnt show me how it degrades or lessons the quality and such of terpins. It'd be nice if you had anything other then your opinion to back all that up.

Nasa is the leading edge of research. They have created aeroponics as the perfect plant environment. Soil poses to many problems - Pests, fungus, mold, bacteria, over water, under water, lack of oxygen. Thats not to say you cant have those problems in aero... but pests, fungus, ect like that are MUCH less likely.





Amazing find. I want...

u make a joke and people want an explanation, how about a recomendation, here it is=LIGHTEN UP. i never said full spectrum light degrades anything, dont know were u got that one, u just seem like your hyped to the moon on your hobbie, great have fun with it, keep it zen, and keep going over basic things about growing like root bug aphid health when were talking about terpene production, but hey u got to here yourself type write, can i ask you '' what is the sound of one hand typeing on a keyboard with no keys''?

 

[Cannarado]

u make a joke and people want an explanation, how about a recomendation, here it is=LIGHTEN UP. i never said full spectrum light degrades anything, dont know were u got that one, u just seem like your hyped to the moon on your hobbie, great have fun with it, keep it zen, and keep going over basic things about growing like root bug aphid health when were talking about terpene production, but hey u got to here yourself type write, can i ask you '' what is the sound of one hand typeing on a keyboard with no keys''?

Speak english please if you want me to answer anything. This isnt a joke to me... im being serious. You're the one making half-competent posts with very little actual content.

Your typing skills are horrid. Your right, you never said full spectrum degrades it - but neither did I. You've taken what i had generalized about what you had said and misconstrued it. You speak as if HPS is crap and isnt allowing the bud its full potential because of "Full Spectrum" - Well let me ask you this - What do you consider "Full Spectrum"?

Yet again tho - you make claims and jump on here speaking gibberish. Hyped up moon hobby? I dont think thats weed you're smoking, you've gotta be smoking crack or gettin wet man. Keeping it zen isnt going to grow good weed. Can we please keep this on topic? Your claim is that indoor light cant not match the suns spectrum. Do you have anything to add because i disagree and i beleive we can come super close... UV rays included.

 

[Chief Rbud]

Want to kno how to increase the complexity of the high, and the complexity of the smell? just do a side by side - hydro (any method, use all expensive supplements you want) VS Oraganic soil (foxfarm is a good example)... If you do a side by side, even if you flush the fuck out of the hydro plant, it won't matter.. Organic will have an extra flavor component and a lighter/softer feel to the plant matter... I did a side by side with master kush, and the organic master kush didnt have to be cured... as soon as it was dry it was AMAZING to smoke.. the hydro plant however, needed weeks to cure, and still, it was not on the same level as the FFOF grown shit

Amen!!! if you want plenty of smell and taste in your buds, then use plenty of shit in your mix. look up the "lc's mixes for beginners" in the organic forum , and follow one you like to the letter, and you will get smelly bud. plain and simple

 

[Chief Rbud]

Ooze Bloom 2.5L


Ooze Bloom 2.5L - OOZE bloom uses cutting edge technology
developed through extensive research and development.
Based upon commercial essential oil technology advanced
through our research, we have been able to stimulate the
terpenoid production through natural bio-stimulants.
Combining this with our proprietary combination of
triacontanol, rare earth minerals, fulvic acid, vitamins and
amino acids.

OOZE bloom stimulates secondary metabolites which aid in
the synthesis of terpenoids and polyphenolic compounds
sometimes described as terpenophenolic compounds or
prenylated polyketides. The bio-stimulants stimulate geranyl
pyrophosphate (GPP) isopentyl pyrophosphate (IPP), dimethyl
allyl pyrophosphate (DPP) which are responsible for the
development of essential oils in flowering plants. Results you
can see oozing in 5-6 days.

OOZE bloom is highly concentrated at 1:4000 dilution ratio;
the 1L/1.06 Qt bottle makes 400 L/100gal and the 2.5L2.64 Qt
bottle makes 1000L/250gal.

Take control of your garden with OOZE bloom.

The most intresting thing ive found today...

all these new hydro ferts are trying to do is mimic what well composted shit naturally does, its basically about if you want natural or not, not whats better, if you dont want to put anything unnatural into your body it doesn't matter how big the buds get, you wont grow hydro. some people like to do things naturally. and i have never seen a hydro plant that could match the stank of properly grown 100% organic bud when using properly composted manures. im not the oldest on these boards but i am 40 and have been growing weed since the '80's. before many of you young guys were born, and the ryder guy is right about one thing, you guys have some serous attitude and could stand to just keep the mouths shut and let this guy who asked the question get some advice from some people who have been growing weed more years than you have been alive. so far i dont think any of the older elder generation have chimed in yet, but i bet they will eventually. im talking about my elders, the guys who brought all these great strains to the US after going through hell in a war no one wanted.

 

[EatMoGrass]

I think NASA may be more interested in aeroponics vs soil because it might be a difficult to bring tons of soil and compost up to where they plan on growing.

Aeroponics may be great for outer space but here on earth if you want the tastiest buds or veggies I would recommend growing in living organic soil with lots of compost, castings and rock dusts.........Taste the Earth while your here.

 

[idiit]

no posts on ormus, or em (effective microorganisms) and bokashi yet? i would definitely get informed on all three. it's outrageous how many applications this stuff has.sea-crop is the ormus related product with primordial micro organisms from sea water i settled on but there are lots of sources. i'm just starting to use it and will be happy to share my results. lots of posts out there on cann. forums. serious upticks in flavor and smell.

 

[krunchbubble]

the smell enhancers in nutrient have a L- right before the ingredient. i dont have any with me or i would show you an example of what nutrients have it....

 

[Cannarado]

no posts on ormus, or em (effective microorganisms) and bokashi yet? i would definitely get informed on all three. it's outrageous how many applications this stuff has.sea-crop is the ormus related product with primordial micro organisms from sea water i settled on but there are lots of sources. i'm just starting to use it and will be happy to share my results. lots of posts out there on cann. forums. serious upticks in flavor and smell.

You obviously havent read the whole fourm - i have mentioned Beni's a few times in here. I dont know everything about them yet - but i know if you're using beni's you have to watch EVERYTHING you feed because A)At that point you're no longer feeding the plant. Use of some synthetics with beni's will kill them. B)Again, you're now feeding the bacteria. If you dont feed specifically for the bacteria, they can die and rot in a nutrient tank or just die off in your soil causing possible problems.

Rather then telling us to go research - how about you post what you know? We obv dont know much about it so we could be searching for the wrong stuff...

the smell enhancers in nutrient have a L- right before the ingredient. i dont have any with me or i would show you an example of what nutrients have it....

Whats the L mean?
Where did you get this info?
Does this relate directly to cannabis or all plant matter?

 

[krunchbubble]

Whats the L mean?
Where did you get this info?
Does this relate directly to cannabis or all plant matter?

have no idea what the L means. don't know what it is or how it works.....

in my group of growers, we do side by sides very often. one of my boys noticed that the L's did big things to the end product. and through our own research, we have found that the additives or nutrients with lots of L ingredients, made the end product have much more smell and taste.....

have no idea if its directly related to cannabis or any other plant....

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

Speak english please if you want me to answer anything. This isnt a joke to me... im being serious. You're the one making half-competent posts with very little actual content.

Your typing skills are horrid. Your right, you never said full spectrum degrades it - but neither did I. You've taken what i had generalized about what you had said and misconstrued it. You speak as if HPS is crap and isnt allowing the bud its full potential because of "Full Spectrum" - Well let me ask you this - What do you consider "Full Spectrum"?

Yet again tho - you make claims and jump on here speaking gibberish. Hyped up moon hobby? I dont think thats weed you're smoking, you've gotta be smoking crack or gettin wet man. Keeping it zen isnt going to grow good weed. Can we please keep this on topic? Your claim is that indoor light cant not match the suns spectrum. Do you have anything to add because i disagree and i beleive we can come super close... UV rays included.

In a very zen way youve just made my ignore list, you bore me, and i dont think i can learn anything from u anyways. let me explain how the ingore list works cuase i can tell your bright enough to have a reply to this, that is =I wont be able to see anything u write from here on out, good luck to u, keep it zen.

 

[Cannarado]

in my group of growers, we do side by sides very often.

I dont like side by sides unless its under one roof - Their grow conditions may affect it slightly different then another. But yea, obv you'll be able to see some gain.

The L in L-Amino Acid: An optical isomer can be named by the spatial configuration of its atoms. A rule of thumb for determining the d/l isomeric form of an amino acid is the "CORN" rule. The groups:

COOH, R, NH2 and H (where R is a variant carbon chain)
are arranged around the chiral center carbon atom. Sighting with the hydrogen atom away from the viewer, if these groups are arranged clockwise around the carbon atom, then it is the d-form. If counter-clockwise, it is the L-form. The L and D convention for amino acid configuration refers not to the optical activity of the amino acid itself, but rather to the optical activity of the isomer of glyceraldehyde from which that amino acid can theoretically be synthesized

So is it the acid or the L? Im again ignorant to the facts - but seems to me that its just the physical arraignment of the acid - but still the same acid? Or does the arraignment really effect it that much?