As for the mexi brick weed... that is NOT a Cali problem. You guys are so saturated with local stuff you don't have to deal with that. In the Midwest we have that shit everywhere. It is easy to find and you have to really work at networking to find anything that is real quality. That isn't relevant to the CA situation, but it is relative to the global one. The Cartels are making huge bank selling there shit in areas where the local scene is less prevelent. That is part of the big push for the med scene that the gov doesn't understand. You can get weed, but it may be moldy or otherwise less healthy. You can't just make a couple of calls and grab a bag of the kine. These people have to make do with whatever they can get and it is hard to find anything worthwhile sometimes.
LH, I like that you are part of this discussion.l I truly feel that you are trying to get the answers to your questions but I don't think you are following the logic that people are throwing your way. Prop 19 does nothing for or against med patients. The point of the prop is to allow recreational access for people over 21 just like alcohol. It is that simple and it is reasonable to the masses. I would rather see college age kids smoking than drinking, but that is because I have intimate knowledge of the plant that a lot of voters don't have. 19 doesn't affect medical use for those under 21. This isn't people picking between 215 and 19! 19 has HUGE benefits for those who simply want to smoke and grow a little bit. 215 doesn't offer any protection at the workplace that 19 does, 215 doesn't allow for hemp production and 19 does. 215 doesn't make it legal to use but it does offer a defense. 19 makes it legal to all but the feds.
There is no guarantee that there will ever be another opportunity for ANY form of legalization. If this fails it will be seen as CA doesn't want to legalize. That is it. For another prop to make it to the ballot it will take a lot of support and a lot of money. This either means that corporations have to fund it or citizens. THEN if it is a citizen funded prop it would still have to fix the societal problems with MJ. Crime, street dealing, kids smoking, etc. If those things aren't addressed then people wont vote or even sign the prop to get it to the ballot. This bill assimilates pot to alcohol and people understand that and are comfortable with how that works. 25 sq ft, 1 oz on your person, nobody under 21, increased penalties for selling to kids... that is what that stuff is in there for. People won't vote for a prop any other way.
This is not a corporate hand out. If it was it would specify how things shake out but it doesn't. It only specifies that production and sales need to be regulated. How is this bad? They are not going to write one law and try to make everyone squeeze into it! Then you guys would really be bitching. This puts control into the hands of the local people!!!
There is nothing about taxes! If they jack them up too high, nothing will change. This is business 101! The legal weed has to compete with the blackmarket weed and price and quality will be important factors in that.
It is a drug dude. Nobody is going to vote for a prop that just lets people grow whatever/wherever they want. That is old-school hippie thought pattern and it simply isn't realistic in today's society. There will always be laws that prevent people from producing a saleable quantity and from selling to whomever they want. there will be health concerns and manufacturing facility safety concerns. This needs to be regulated!
Again, this is not going to ever be a situation where the masses will condone huge ops in your home for anything other than a medical need. If you can produce pounds per week you would only do so to sell it. If you had 6 1000w HPS's in your basement there is a good chance a person may not install them safely and burn down your whole neighborhood. Have you ever looked at a "my new grow room" thread? Geese...
OP: So I just got 4 sunsystem superlamps and I keep blowing my fuse! What do I due?
1st response: Just power down the main and replace the circuit with a 20 amp and you will be fine!
2nd response: yeah, my friend's uncle did that and he grows some awesum budz man!
3rd Response: (only ever on IC) NO!!! You can't replace the circuit without upgrading the wire!!! Run a couple of 12ga wires to the grow with groundfoault outlets and install a sub panel off your main panel with 2 separate 20 amp lines. Run 2 lights into each 20 and you will be fine! DON"T ever put more juice through the old wire in your home than was inteneded or you will have a fire!!!
OP: I just replace the breaker with a 20 amp and it works great
We've all seen these threads right? So anybody here thinks that it would be good for the public safety to just let people start throwing multiple HPS's in their basement? I don't! That is another good reason for the smaller personal garden. If it was open ended then there would certainly have to be inspections and that is where commercial takes over! A prop that allows for a large personal garden is simply not going to pass through public vote and it would ultimately cause more trouble for the people doing personal grows. Outdoor is a little different certainly in the safety department... A small garden is less likely to need inspections. 25 sq ft is very reasonable for a personal grow. If you don't know how to grow smaller or grow perpetual, then just read the forums here. It is super simple and a lot of fun. You can even easily grow full sized indoor plants in that size garden. Just look around and see.
Why place restriction on that? This is no problem. LEO isn't going to go snooping around your house, and they aren't going to be busting people for smoking in apartment buildings. That is all unrealistic fear mongering. They simply don't want people smoking at the playground where kids are playing or in enclosed places where kids might get second hand smoke. This isn't an unrealistic thing is it? Do you think leo is going to have any other ideas? They want kids to be safe, that is it. Why would you want clarification on exactly what a space is? Don't smoke around kids... simple.
There is nowhere in the sections pertaining to personal consumption that says that local gov can make changes to what is written in the prop. There are great protections there that are wriotten in stone. In order for them to change these thing there would have to be a new prop voted by the people, right? Only in the comercial sections does it talk about local legislation making the rules.
Having the ability for legislative amendments on commercial and retail aspects is a good thing! So you want them to make 1 rule to fit the whole state? I am sure that most wouldn't like it whatever it was. You have the ability to write your own laws for commercial and retail by working within your individual community. Again, I hope people are out putting together proposed commercial laws NOW for their local government. Think of what they want and what you want and propose legislation to them. It won't be hard to get them to hear your feelings on it especially if you come to them as a group that is looking to find realistic solutions that are fair for all involved.
This prop CLEARLY states the rules for personal consumption, personal possession, and personal production. These things are written firmly with plenty of teeth. From a commercial and retail end it simply opens the doors, AND opens the doors for hemp production. This prop protects workers from being fired for smoking on their own time. It prevents leo from busting or hassling people who follow the rules. This prop gives all the proper rights to the consumer. The rest has yet to be written... what is the problem with that? It is a great start and it is TRUE legalization because it protects people from prosecution for personal use while doing nothing to take away MMJ rights.
Again it isn't perfect for anyone. It involves a lot of compromise, but to understand the intend you really need to put yourselves in the shoes of others and try to see it from theri standpoint. I get the feeling LH that you are looking at this whole thing from a very narrow minded standpoint. If you want people to vote for a legalization prop of any sort it has to appeal to the masses. Certainly you can understand that!
Jed
