ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Who over the age of 21 in California is going to jail for an ounce or less? This bill does not go far enough to improve the situation for the average California cannabis consumer.

anybody on parole or probation will goto jail....

as for the rest of people. who needs more than an ounce to carry in your day to day?

if want to grow and sell for profit, do so legally. shit i thought that was our dream?? to be able to do what we love without fear of prison? maybe thats just my dream and ive fooled myself into thinking its others dreams as well. i love cannabis. LOVE IT. ive been chanting the FREE THE WEED for years.

i guess other people just see it as an easy quick means to make money and not have to work or pay taxes for it....

its true what they say. money is the root of all evil. and the fact that people on this website would vote no to legalize mj only proves it....

 

[ReelBusy1]

Who over the age of 21 in California is going to jail for an ounce or less? This bill does not go far enough to improve the situation for the average California cannabis consumer.

1. Let's go to east L.A and I'll show you who.

2. yes it does.

Hold out fo your Unicorn Cooter.
Ignore history.
Don't learn.
Stay ignorant.


Someday you will wake up from your unattainable dream.
Probably in jail.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

can any one clarify what 19 means for gun owners in possession of or who use cannabis? on the firearms form (just filled one out today hehe).....it says "are you an unlawful user of cannabis, etc"

i always mark NO, since i figure im using it legally under state law 215.

but under 19 will it be that much more certain?

like i said....and this does not pertain to all growers and those who want to vote NO on 19. but im a pretty big firearms guy and i love pot too, i usually have 3-5 pounds on me at any given time, and my legally owned firearms.....if 19 allows me to possess both and not worry about going to jail for felony possession of firearm while in felony possession of pot, than thats a pretty big deal for me.

that might be enough alone to swing me to the yes side. ive always been paranoid about having my gun rights taken if i get charged with felony cultivation or felony distribution. my buddy got raided with 300 plants in oakland and he lost his gun rights....now hes gotta get them illegally and possibly facing more felonies. if 19 can offer safety for gun owners, im with it. funny thing is, im also on a gun forum and most of the guys there are pro-legalization. they dont even smoke, but they hate mexican cartels and are mostly voting YES on the assumption the cartels with diminish.

 

[opt1c]

lee fucked the cannabis legalization movement single handedly by pressing for a measure in a non election year without the backing of any other major political donors who believe in the legalization movement... like sarah palin lee went rogue... i just find it very hypocritical that those without the balls to live in cali/usa because of the laws think they have any right or standing to criticize those in cali with said balls who can see through the bullshit legalization veil prop19 is guised in for what it really is; a power grab by richard lee at the expense of the vast majority of californians who don't have the money to buy their own politicians and own county to setup shop in. Prop19 will royally fuck everyone outside of alameda county not to mention a large number of people inside alameda county.

i really don't care that much bout this thread though cuz THIS SHIT AIN'T GONNA PASS COME NOVEMBER

if ur in cali and you're over 21 and not medical but you're GROWING weed; something is wrong with that picture... the only growers i know in cali who aren't medical are in gangs

feds said they'd back off medical; great job they're doing at that
you really think they're going to let recreational growers slide? really?

 

[igrowone]

so under 19, where is all the richard lee bud gonna get sold? through the 215 dispensary system? local liquor stores...what is the language in the bill about that shit? what about delivery services? i want some clarity on this, is there a potential for 19 to totally fuck up the court systems ability to prosecute cases like growing or selling. WIll there still be felony distribution charges, or instead some other shit like "unlicensed sale". If it goes under current business laws, arent the fines and penalties for selling shit unlicensed pretty steep?

and also...so you no longer need a card to go into a pot club and buy it?

and say i get busted with 5 pounds in my house, along with all my guns. under 215 im facing a couple years probably, maybe seizure of my guns.

under 19 will i be free and clear? i can say i grew the 5lbs and saved them from my last grows, they cant prove it. then since its legal to possess any amount of cannabis i shouldnt have a gun enhancement charge for committing a felony while in possession of a firearm.

how much safety will 19s passage give current 215 growers/dealers who are operating illegally now. i might be willing to trade a small percentage of revenue for the ability to be able to own guns and have alot of pot at the same time, and to know that the court systems will loose alot of power to prosecute criminal marijuana cases.

a more thoughtful and less combative post, if only there were more of them
the 5 lb question is a good one, and the answer is maybe
there will likely be some limits applied, a 25 sq ft space packed solid with compacted weed will likely not be seen as 'in the spirit' of the law
the courts will provide the guidelines, and this will take some time to resolve(assuming 19 ever passes)
but 215 has been evolving with court decisions, so 19 will be no different

 

[kmk420kali]

can any one clarify what 19 means for gun owners in possession of or who use cannabis? on the firearms form (just filled one out today hehe).....it says "are you an unlawful user of cannabis, etc"

i always mark NO, since i figure im using it legally under state law 215.

but under 19 will it be that much more certain?

like i said....and this does not pertain to all growers and those who want to vote NO on 19. but im a pretty big firearms guy and i love pot too, i usually have 3-5 pounds on me at any given time, and my legally owned firearms.....if 19 allows me to possess both and not worry about going to jail for felony possession of firearm while in felony possession of pot, than thats a pretty big deal for me.

that might be enough alone to swing me to the yes side. ive always been paranoid about having my gun rights taken if i get charged with felony cultivation or felony distribution. my buddy got raided with 300 plants in oakland and he lost his gun rights....now hes gotta get them illegally and possibly facing more felonies. if 19 can offer safety for gun owners, im with it. funny thing is, im also on a gun forum and most of the guys there are pro-legalization. they dont even smoke, but they hate mexican cartels and are mostly voting YES on the assumption the cartels with diminish.

There is no specific Law in Cali that says you cannot have a firearm at a grow-- The only time it is a problem, is if they can use "Commission of a crime with a Firearm"--
If there is no crime, there is no Charge--

 

[Anti]

i just find it very hypocritical that those without the balls to live in cali/usa because of the laws think they have any right or standing to criticize those in cali with said balls who can see through the bullshit legalization

Um? Are you deluded? Without the balls to live in Cali? Homie, where I live, having 1 seed can get you locked up if they're gunning for you. Having two different bags on your person (even a few grams each) is called possession with intent to sell and can get you a couple of years on your first try. What I have may look like NOTHING to cali 215 growers but it could get me locked up for many years where I live! And I don't even sell any of it.

So what kind of balls do I need to move to Cali and hide behind 215 and buy my clones at a store instead of smuggling seeds into the country?

I'm moving (back back) to Cali (Cali) within the year. I would like to quietly setup a 5x5 grow and tell no one but my ICMag homies. It'd be great if I could do it legally without going to a doctor.

(It'll be awesome when Gypsy brings the ICMag 420 to Cali when it passes and we can all meet up and smoke each others stuff. Lot easier than getting a ticket to amsterdam and a hotel room. Just stay at your HOUSE and show up in the morning.)

Help a brother out.

Read the prop, have a lawyer explain the parts you don't understand and then take a look at the history of civil rights in this country and compare our struggle to the rest.

And then vote with your heart.

 

[ReelBusy1]

Um? Are you deluded? Without the balls to live in Cali? Homie, where I live, having 1 seed can get you locked up if they're gunning for you. Having two different bags on your person (even a few grams each) is called possession with intent to sell and can get you a couple of years on your first try. What I have may look like NOTHING to cali 215 growers but it could get me locked up for many years where I live! And I don't even sell any of it.

So what kind of balls do I need to move to Cali and hide behind 215 and buy my clones at a store instead of smuggling seeds into the country?

I'm moving (back back) to Cali (Cali) within the year. I would like to quietly setup a 5x5 grow and tell no one but my ICMag homies. It'd be great if I could do it legally without going to a doctor.

(It'll be awesome when Gypsy brings the ICMag 420 to Cali when it passes and we can all meet up and smoke each others stuff. Lot easier than getting a ticket to amsterdam and a hotel room. Just stay at your HOUSE and show up in the morning.)

Help a brother out.

Read the prop, have a lawyer explain the parts you don't understand and then take a look at the history of civil rights in this country and compare our struggle to the rest.

And then vote with your heart.

As I have said before it is bigger than 5x5 areas and all the other bullshit.

It's for growers like Anti who face the real enemy every day.

We need to send the message now that the government has to get serious about reform nationwide and that means it has to start in Cali like everything else does.

"Wait for a better bill" is another way of saying let the madness continue.
Justice delayed is justice ignored.


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[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

i really don't care that much bout this thread though cuz THIS SHIT AIN'T GONNA PASS COME NOVEMBER

if ur in cali and you're over 21 and not medical but you're GROWING weed; something is wrong with that picture... the only growers i know in cali who aren't medical are in gangs

cool. so i either have to lie about my condition to justify that im able to smoke something that god put on this earth

or i must be inked up from head to toe while flying a red flag from my back pocket???

something wrong with this picture is recreational users having to hide under 215 because you clowns dont want 19 passed....

my only guess is your afraid your customers will either:

a) grow their own
b) buy it from someone else for cheaper price

wow those are some pretty frightening scenarios...

OK, you can now continue your fear mongering...

 

[ReelBusy1]

The details of the Prop 19 that divide the MJ community will NEVER NEVER EVER be discussed in the media if and when the bill's defeat is trumpeted by the enemies of cannabis.

No one will say "well pot growers wanted a bigger area to grow in or they would have voted for it."

All they will say is that the majority of the public are AGAINST the legalization of pot."

Period.

That's the message.
Just like Prop 8.

Not the details of the legislation.

Not the fearmongering lies by the opponents of the bill, like Prop 8.

Just public humiliation for the very idea that good decent people would want that evil fucking weed to be a part of normal society.
The nerve of those stupid hippies.

Yup.
It's that simple .

It's yes/no, yea or nay, pass/fail to the general public.

Failure is unacceptable and will set the cannabis rights movement back another decade or two.

It's been 14 years since Prop 215.
That's how long it took to get this far.

Don't wait for another 14 years for another chance.

 

[Guest 88950]

smokebuddy is not wrong

read you own post,
or
obtain the appropriate patient records to confirm the
patient’s underlying diagnosis and prior
treatment history."

i took a copy of my medical records from my primary doc to a mmj doc without my primary docs knowledge of what for.

you are right.

I WAS WRONG. i need to reread more.

 

[mrdizzle]

lee fucked the cannabis legalization movement single handedly by pressing for a measure in a non election year without the backing of any other major political donors who believe in the legalization movement... like sarah palin lee went rogue... i just find it very hypocritical that those without the balls to live in cali/usa because of the laws think they have any right or standing to criticize those in cali with said balls who can see through the bullshit legalization veil prop19 is guised in for what it really is; a power grab by richard lee at the expense of the vast majority of californians who don't have the money to buy their own politicians and own county to setup shop in. Prop19 will royally fuck everyone outside of alameda county not to mention a large number of people inside alameda county.

i really don't care that much bout this thread though cuz THIS SHIT AIN'T GONNA PASS COME NOVEMBER

if ur in cali and you're over 21 and not medical but you're GROWING weed; something is wrong with that picture... the only growers i know in cali who aren't medical are in gangs

feds said they'd back off medical; great job they're doing at that
you really think they're going to let recreational growers slide? really?

Good post bro, people who live where pot is highly illegal will never get it, I feel bad for them, but not bad enough to fuck myself and others changing the laws in california so that in 12yrs flordia loosen up there Marijuana laws.

I have tried to find a grow bust in cali, that someone has been jailed for a 5x5 grow currently, but I cant.

 

[johnnyla]

either you vote with the cops, or you don't. that's the way i see it. the factory warehouses are already here.

from what i heard up in the golden triangle of CA is that the city council members are trying to figure out how to not lose all that money if it is legalized. So instead of saying vote NO, they are being "pro-active" and preparing for the scenario if it does pass. i.e. marketing humboldt and mendo for weed tourism and production Vino style.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Good post bro, people who live where pot is highly illegal will never get it, I feel bad for them, but not bad enough to fuck myself and others changing the laws in california so that in 12yrs flordia loosen up there Marijuana laws.

I have tried to find a grow bust in cali, that someone has been jailed for a 5x5 grow currently, but I cant.

Not only does it let the average joe do 5x5, but it also lets people like me get their hand at running a large grow legally.

19 is good for everyone and bad for no one (except the prohibitionist).

 

[vta]

and none of them are going to, cause none can. spend your time more wisely, somewhere else on the site....or in your legal mmj garden.

peace

How quickly we forget. Or did you not read my reply to your post? I'll remind ya...You made a post filled with lies and misconceptions and I replied back with what is really going on. The true meaning of the law and such...you thought that cities can control if you grow or not...that showed me that #1 you either did not read the prop or you did not understand it. Or #2 you are making money right now selling weed and are shitting your pants. This is the internet...how am I to know...you could be a 16 year old punk. So I checked out your gallery and you have some larger outdoor plants going. So I'm figuring it's a combo of #1 and #2. And that is cool man...I am not here to try and bring ya down. The only thing I do is point out the flat out lies,bs and misconceptions that are posted.


So that said...you come in this thread and say stuff that about the law that is not true AT ALL and then you post this.......

Subrob is the only one here making a valid pro prop 19 arguement. most everyone else seems to be a bunch of misinformed out of towners that know nothing of how weed is here in CALI.

Now forgive me but I find shit like that fucking hilarious! You don't have a comprehension of the law and you say that...good stuff! I had a really shitty day and that put a big smile on my face, thanks!

Let's check out what else you wrote...just for kicks.

i dont care if you can pull 50 lbs a year from 25 square feet. thats a personal consumption limit and you will be unfairly taxed when you consume more.

Now...blanco...you come in this thread talking like you know whats up...don't wast bandwidth..answer back to the questions I ask...because your answers will speak volumes...cool?

OK, so your above quote there, "unfairly taxed when you consume more"...I assume that you are referring to when after 19 passes and I go down to 7/11 I will have to pay taxes? If so...BFD. I pay tax on just about everything. That is not a valid reason to vote no. Compared to the benefits even. Also...the price is going to drop. Not at first but very soon after...couple plant cycles I say. Then I could really give a fuck about the tax because now I am paying less.

anyone in cali who grows weed and gets arrested in an IDIOT. they didnt follow the law, any CALI resident can leagally grow and use cannibis. no one is taking advantage of 215 it was written in a way that allows all to benefit. if people were familiar with CALI and our mmj laws alot of this useless bickering could be avoided.

Not everyone in California is a young flashy, dank this bomb that guy like yourself. There are 37,000,000 (that's million ) people in Cali..about 40% have smoked pot. So...for you to say "just fake an injury and get a card" is not only juvenile it reeks of unrighteousness. You might not have morals but what about other people? This is not about 215...215 was passed so people that use pot for a REAL medical reason, would not go to jail. This law is about recreational use of pot...that's a big difference. Now I use it medically..but only after I was seriously injured. Meaning that before I got hurt I smoked and grew sure but it was RECREATIONAL. I also love how you can call someone an idiot for not wanting to break the law...because that what lying to a DR. is.

good luck to all of you guys trying to pass prop 19 through your keyboards, LOL.

Thanks! We need all the luck we can get as this is a must! Some of people your referring to, that have posted in this thread in support of 19, have done more then just post or blog about it. They go to city council meetings, they go and join in protests, they write their congressmen and senators, they sell seeds, they are involved in MMJ care giving etc....

why dont you guys leave it to rational arguements between CALIFORNIA residents.

Why? this is a free site man...also READ THE THREAD TITLE...it's about the "Administration of ICmag" Guess what...most of those guys are not in Cali. So who are you again try to mod how this thread goes????

this is the last post i will make in this thread due to the childish behavoir of the members and administrators here.

Oh say it ain't so! I do mean that...I really do mean that. i want you to answer one question...forget all the other shit I tore up of yours....what I want to know is do you make money off pot?

p.s. i dont take anything said here personally as this is not real life, none of you know who i am. and everyones an online tough guy LOL

peace

Not tough guys just folks that want an end to the prohibition of cannabis.

 

[JJScorpio]

i just find it very hypocritical that those without the balls to live in cali/usa because of the laws think they have any right or standing to criticize those in cali with said balls who can see through the bullshit legalization veil prop19 is guised in for what it really is

Your comment sums it up perfectly.

It doesn't mean squat if it's Cali, NY, Alaska or the other side of the world. We're all Brothers that have been fighting this war for decades. Geographic location is irrellevant. And we aren't jealous of who gets it done. We all used to be one.

Then came Prop 15. Until now I never realized the easyness of getting into this program, and the vast amount of people making a living 100 percent tax free. Such a good living that a lot of you would leave a fellow grower growing illegal before you'll give up the bread and butter. Not caring one iota that thousands could be arrested and incaecerated for the sake of your tax free existence. And worse, you don't know if it will even affect you.....

Then you have guys like Tom Hill that fought for 215 and his living, but will try and evolve with the system for the sake of those that might get the chance to grow and smoke their own Cannabis without fear of incarceration or persecution. He knows it's far from perfect, but he knows the importance of getting that toe into the open door..... I respect the man for that.,,,......

I'm not sure but it's time this site takes a look at 215, what it is and what it's done to our community. Some of the the things I've heard, ranging from "anyone can get a doctors certificate" to "Take a drive down the road with a hundred bucks and you can be 100 percent tax free legal" disgusts me. My favorite one is "why would I vote for 19, I'm already legal".

It's obvious we all aren't brothers anymore.....

 

[vta]

either you vote with the cops, or you don't. that's the way i see it. the factory warehouses are already here.

Exactly!

Everyone is crying about R Lee...how funny is that! OK...so how much is his "mega" grows going to produce? Was it 68lbs a day...screw it call it 100lbs then times 2 cause he 'may' have 2 "mega" grows. So..that's 200lbs a day...That is not even my body weight. So how can a guy producing what amounts to the same weight of a grown man, take over the whole market? Take about feeble minded...that is crazy. Like Johnny said...they are already here. There are probably a hundred just around the LA area. people just don't grasp what the numbers really are.

 

[dagnabit]

can any one clarify what 19 means for gun owners in possession of or who use cannabis? on the firearms form (just filled one out today hehe).....it says "are you an unlawful user of cannabis, etc"

well if your keeping in your 5x5 (or however large you county decides) your not breaking the law so how do you get an "enhancement" charge?

 

[Hammerhead]

Not everybody is willing to embrace change. There afraid of it. some people just wont believe this to be good. from what I see we only have a few people unwilling to see the good this will bring these people wont change there mind I think you guys know this. I would like to see the people that are willing to discuss what they fear and how it will effect them.

FYI: VTA IS ONE OF THE MOST KNOLAGEABLE ON THIS SUBJECT.

 

[igrowone]

Exactly!

Everyone is crying about R Lee...how funny is that! OK...so how much is his "mega" grows going to produce? Was it 68lbs a day...screw it call it 100lbs then times 2 cause he 'may' have 2 "mega" grows. So..that's 200lbs a day...That is not even my body weight. So how can a guy producing what amounts to the same weight of a grown man, take over the whole market? Take about feeble minded...that is crazy. Like Johnny said...they are already here. There are probably a hundred just around the LA area. people just don't grasp what the numbers really are.

illuminating post, hard numbers are a bit better than inflammatory accusations
the pattern seems to be mentioning Richard Lee, then claiming how he will take over MJ in northern California
but the details seem to stop there, i guess just the mention of Richard Lee's name is enough to 'prove' that he is the enemy of all other MJ growers and users