Caregivers?

[dank.frank]

Not in Maine...but in state 13.

The law for me. 12 plants per patient, no more than 5 patients to a caregiver. Possession limit at 2.5oz per patient. LEGALLY, can harvest no more than 12.5oz "finished product" at a given time. At $200 a month, that is only $1k a month of income from this and better than 80% of that goes to cover simple operating expenses. Any monies that are left over get placed into a legal fund that is maintained by the club in case anything ever happens to a member, there is at least SOMETHING there to attempt to help out.

If a room is PROPERLY dialed in...cost of production per oz of even lower yielding strains of superb quality, is significantly LESS than what I charge. However, I do NOT factor my initial investment as something that "needs to be made back"...and therefore the setup costs never become the responsibility of the patients. I made a choice to do this...not going to use my patients as a means to "come up" in the world. (after all...certain expenditures ARE TAX DEDUCTIBLE to a business...get an accountant people)

There are MANY people in state 13 that plan on declaring over 50k - 60k of income from MMJ. I'm not sure how they are doing that or how it doesn't throw a red flags out all over the place. I mean, do the math, if you only have 5 patients...your getting 10-12k A YEAR from each of them. And seeing how all transactions MUST be kept on record, I'd hate to be the patient trying to explain to Mr. IRS how I managed to pay 1k a month for cannabis. Some caregivers don't think...what they claim, can and will also fall back onto the patients they serve.

Once again, I don't do this for the money. I do this because I am sick and tired of what is truly medicine being drug in the dirt because of the shiesty people that attempt to involve themselves in the industry. The time has come for a difference to be made and for an example to be set.

- We go beyond what is expected...we do what is right. -


dank.Frank

 

[emerald city]

I like your attitude frank,wish there were more with that point of view....For the same reason's you speak of, im advocating that patients ,if able, grow thier own marijuana for medicine....Something to be said for being as self suficient as possible.Keeps expenses down and other's out of your business....
As for the tax issue,if you have a accountant and make under 100k a year chances are low for an audit....Your mom and pop grinding out a meager living aint got nothing to worry about as long as they pay thier taxes..Uncle sam dont care were the money came from,they still are owed thier cut..Pay the man,its the price of doing business.
E.C/out
How does your state deal with the issue of clones.We are allowed to trade/swap patient to patient,but as of yet no place to legally find seeds or cuts to start with.I'd love to start a non profit clone co-op with the right help......Im told DHHS says its a grey area on how patient,caregivers and dispenseries will find the stock needed to start growing marijuana...non compliance right from the start....Kinda levels the playing feild knowing even the folks who claim to be ligit are full of B.S and no better then the underground economy thier trying to replace

 

[emerald city]

Seriously, it seems as though there are more reputable black market dealers than licensed caregivers.

The term "black market" sounds so seedy how about "underground economy"or the "free enterprize system"
good evening all............. E.C

 

[Maina]

I would love to be a caregiver.Its not a mony thing with me I make great money,I have just fell inlove with this plant and growing it with Organics.And helping people Im not new to helping people and would love this.So seting up a indoor grow would not be hard becouse I have the $$$$ to do it.I just dont want to ask some one but if you have info i would love to do this PM me thank you grow on and help others

 

[emerald city]

I would love to be a caregiver.Its not a mony thing with me I make great money,I have just fell inlove with this plant and growing it with Organics.And helping people Im not new to helping people and would love this.So seting up a indoor grow would not be hard becouse I have the $$$$ to do it.I just dont want to ask some one but if you have info i would love to do this PM me thank you grow on and help others

If you grow it,they will come........What type of info are you looking for? Caregiver rules are on the maine state DHHS website....good luck.....E.C

 

[Mudita]

I am planning on caregiving in maine and making some elite genes and elite advice available to other caregivers. Am med legal personally, but have been told to wait a bit before registering through dhhs.

 

[vwgtiron]

I would have to say none of my patients are dissatisfied, and I have been serving 5 people since January plus myself. We do tinctures and fine medical grade cannabis. However we are not accepting new patients till Monday and then will have 5 new slots available. However I believe they will fill up by Tuesday. I have never had a gap in production. Only grow cannabis cup strains or well proven medicinal strains. I would put my medicine up against anyone's in Maine. My wife and I can only cover 10 patients and I hesitate to add a caregiver collective with the current attitudes in government. The most I have charged any patient is 300 an oz and the least pays me nothing. I have rotated the summer with Bubba Kush, Super Lemon Haze, Cheese, Power Kush, Trainwreck, Kings Kush, Great White Shark, AK's, and Hawaiin Snow and the big one I am waiting on is Arjans Ultra Haze 2. It was truly a Sativa heavy summer. Also I have some Himalayan Gold coming followed by my Elvis Diesel, Chem Dawgs, Cindy 99 and then Sour Diesel and finally some Cherry Cough and Strawberry Cough. Right now I am germing some Black seeds, Big Bud, Laughing Buddha and Pure Power Plant. Top that for variety in a caregiving operation.

 

[Maina]

If you grow it,they will come........What type of info are you looking for? Caregiver rules are on the maine state DHHS website....good luck.....E.C

Growing it got that down I grow organic.But it realy comes down to finding 5 people to grow for .How do I go about that?

 

[emerald city]

I would have to say none of my patients are dissatisfied, and I have been serving 5 people since January plus myself. We do tinctures and fine medical grade cannabis. However we are not accepting new patients till Monday and then will have 5 new slots available. However I believe they will fill up by Tuesday. I have never had a gap in production. Only grow cannabis cup strains or well proven medicinal strains. I would put my medicine up against anyone's in Maine. My wife and I can only cover 10 patients and I hesitate to add a caregiver collective with the current attitudes in government. The most I have charged any patient is 300 an oz and the least pays me nothing. I have rotated the summer with Bubba Kush, Super Lemon Haze, Cheese, Power Kush, Trainwreck, Kings Kush, Great White Shark, AK's, and Hawaiin Snow and the big one I am waiting on is Arjans Ultra Haze 2. It was truly a Sativa heavy summer. Also I have some Himalayan Gold coming followed by my Elvis Diesel, Chem Dawgs, Cindy 99 and then Sour Diesel and finally some Cherry Cough and Strawberry Cough. Right now I am germing some Black seeds, Big Bud, Laughing Buddha and Pure Power Plant. Top that for variety in a caregiving operation.

You've seemed to have solved the "where do i find a breed " problem.I take your running mostly seed stock,tho i did notice a few names that ive seen in the female form.....With out giving up trade secret's or causeing legal issue's or breaking forum rules,how would you recommend that a Patient go about finding the seeds/clones needed to start growing thier medicine....
Years ago we found better results going through canada vs europe for seeds but i still WOULDNT recommend to the legel patients to send away for anything over state lines...on the other hand waiting for the state or a dispensary to sell us cuttings or seeds aint gonna happen either.
on my end, ive been working on a quarentine process .When select clones come into a genetic's bank[the mother ship ]They should go threw a DE- mite/mildue process,Stopping the spread of disease to all parties involved....Mothers need to be clean and members desearve healthy clones...
Ive seen friends trying to help one another ,only too bring in an unknown disease and screw everthing up for months at a time...
SO....if you could shed some lite on how us maine patients can get our hands on some cool breeds[genetics co-op] i'd love to hear about it....
wish you well/catch you later........E.C

 

[emerald city]

Growing it got that down I grow organic.But it realy comes down to finding 5 people to grow for .How do I go about that?

If your weed was good, they would be lined up a the door j/k.
Actualy i believe if your registered as a caregiver through DHHS, they have a service to match you up[the grower] with qualified patients...

 

[Maina]

If your weed was good, they would be lined up a the door j/k.
Actualy i believe if your registered as a caregiver through DHHS, they have a service to match you up[the grower] with qualified patients...

Thank you for the help.
AHHHH they are lined up at the door .
I just want to be a caregiver to the legal now

this was 30 days a go lets just say a weeeeeeeeeeeee bit biger now .I have fallen in love growing this plant with organics and the science behind it,right down to the breaking out the microscope to see if the compost tea is right.And making my own worm castings by the 55 gallon drum and breading my own bacteria strains for soil.Its like growing a prize fighter.Good meds is what I think I have

 

[Onthepoint]

You could hang lights on those and hide them as Christmas Trees! Nice work! Mainely Sativa?

 

[Mudita]

wicked nice trees, maina

 

[emerald city]

Nice work maina.Looks like you gots the green thumb..I landscape and garden for a living and use organic stuff for my projects. but at home ...Dont want to go threw the hoops to become organicly certified through the state..In the greenhouse its easier to use chemicals for timeing and to be able to track the EC/PPM's...I figure on the molecular level,a plant cant tell where an atom of n/p/k came from be it organic or not.Its either there or not....The key then would be to NOT over fertilize...organic over fert can be even more disasterious......peace bro--gro on E.C/out
p.s if you dont mind ,whats the breed you got growing...She's beautifull[it is a girl,yes?]

 

[Maina]

This is the BIG one 9 feet by 10 feet
Barney farms LSD its a girl and they are all like 75% indinca
the other pick the one on the left is a barney farms sweet tooth
the one on the right GHS WW.
Again all like 75% indinca all girls.
And on the organics they can tell.Its alot of science to it but as you no the fungi and bact greak the food down for the plant and they take it up in a way that was ment for them,(by being broke down by fungi and bact).The plant works togeather with the soil life and BANGOOOOO.The other stuff is kinda like living on fast food not the way it should be .Thats just me.OH and not one bug bite on my plants no molds or fungis nota Bullet prof becouse of organics and runing a brix level of 15 need a level of 12 to have that happen .The other nuts almost never see a brix of 5.That say bugs and any thing out there come kill me take me out of the pool so I dont pass on my gens.The big lsd went from 12 inches to that size in like 35 days in the ground june 10 pick was july 15 I think.Not so sure about this. 'chemicals', organic growing uses compounds containing carbon, the basic building block for ALL living things.

Organic gardening also means that in well maintained soil, there are millions and millions of micro organisms that form a symbiotic relationship with the plants, meaning the plants supply sugars to the microbes and they in turn breakdown food, or 'nutes', in the soill and make them available to the plants. Many chemical ferts , if applied too liberally, can be detrimental to these microbes.

One of the main differences between feeding plants using chemical nutrients and feeding the microbes in the soil, is that when the microbes breakdown and eat the stuff in the soil or the nutes that you've watered in, they 'immobilize' the food, making it impossible for the nutes to drain or flush out of the soil.

When feeding plants in a sterile media, using chemical chelated nutrients, there is nothing to immobilize the food. Meaning that nutrients are only available shortly after watering. This means that you have to fertilize more often, depositing salts into the media that must be flushed out more often to prevent toxic build-up.

Also, all the chemical 'runoff' is probably going down the drain and into the local river systems, contributing to the myriad pollution problems we already have.

Considering most people on this forum are building their own soil that is essentially a water only mix, that makes it a less complicated process than measuring out correct doses of chemicals that must be ph balanced and have the proper EC and and just the right TDS blah blah blah.......

As far as the same nutrients being available........ well that's just not true. Do you think that a meal from McDonald's is just as healthy as a home cooked meal with fresh veggies ? ........

Bat guano, or Bat shit as you so eloquently put it, does not on its own improve taste in bud. It is a natural fertilizer that also contains beneficial bacteria like composts and worm castings.
Again this is just me .Again Im just trying to offer the best meds I could offer to some one who it could help and this is the way im doing it I would take any help I can get to start down this path.

 

[Maina]

As much as things change, they stay the same. With Dr's recommendation in hand, I began calling caregivers. Several are not accepting new patients, one told me the price was $450 for outdoor skunk, $600 for hydro! Another told me that he could only provide about a half a month until his crop came in, sometime in October. I finally made an appointment with one who seemed decent enough, offering Blueberry & AK-47 for $300. It would be three days before he could deliver. So I wait, and wait. Thirty minutes after he was supposed to be here, he calls with car trouble. Can't make it this morning, maybe this afternoon.

Dealers...caregivers = Chronic Liars

Anybody recommend a decent caregiver in Maine?

How did you get a list of caregivers i want on that list

 

[vwgtiron]

Chemical Ali

Chemical Ali

Nice work maina.Looks like you gots the green thumb..I landscape and garden for a living and use organic stuff for my projects. but at home ...Dont want to go threw the hoops to become organicly certified through the state..In the greenhouse its easier to use chemicals for timeing and to be able to track the EC/PPM's...I figure on the molecular level,a plant cant tell where an atom of n/p/k came from be it organic or not.Its either there or not....The key then would be to NOT over fertilize...organic over fert can be even more disasterious......peace bro--gro on E.C/out
p.s if you dont mind ,whats the breed you got growing...She's beautifull[it is a girl,yes?]

I agree E.C., how do you know the bat shit you are buying is sourced from a good place especially coming out of -indonesia, philipines, or mexico need we mention Jamaica? How do you know that the bacteria coming out of these areas are good for U.S. soils? How do I know that the seabird guano I am getting was not harvested from birds that fed on toxic waste? How do I know that the bacteria I am placing on my plants is beneficial to the plant and not harmful to humans? These are a few questions I have for organic farming. To me organic farming means that I have the substances at my disposal and I know how, what from and where they were sourced and rather than purchase nutes I gather them from my living situation. Being organic does not mean that I go to the grow store and purchase OMRI products. It means that I have various kinds of materials available to me that are readily available and to my knowledge environmetally and ecologically safe, and I would be a fool to purchase nutes.

If I am buying nutes I buy chemicals whether they are carbon based or not I care less. I buy what works for me and make sure I water feed at the end causing the plant to burn essential storage during flowering and use up all substances contained within the plant.
I would argue that if I did things organically nutes can be washed out of your containers from a good rain or a flush just as if I was chemically feeding. There has to be run off from somewhere. Also the soil could be chemically laden with high phosphorus and magnesium content and others. Overtime if you were consistently dumping your soil in the same spot you would have an ecological disaster. (just from my thinking I do not have facts to back this up)
Growing organically adds a lot of questions and doesnt answer many for me.
Chemical fertilizers on the other hand are well understood, you can be given an exact breakdown of the fertilizers contents, Let you easily plan fertilizing schedules, offer exact dosages, offer better production over time and this has been proven over and over again. Just because I am growing with chemicals it does not mean that I am changing the genetic sequence of a marijuana plant. I am not messing with nature, and if I do not overfeed I will be left with basically blank soil at the end of the grow.

Sorry this is a soft spot for me

 

[vwgtiron]

This is the BIG one 9 feet by 10 feet
Barney farms LSD its a girl and they are all like 75% indinca
the other pick the one on the left is a barney farms sweet tooth
the one on the right GHS WW.
Again all like 75% indinca all girls.
And on the organics they can tell.Its alot of science to it but as you no the fungi and bact greak the food down for the plant and they take it up in a way that was ment for them,(by being broke down by fungi and bact).The plant works togeather with the soil life and BANGOOOOO.The other stuff is kinda like living on fast food not the way it should be .Thats just me.OH and not one bug bite on my plants no molds or fungis nota Bullet prof becouse of organics and runing a brix level of 15 need a level of 12 to have that happen .The other nuts almost never see a brix of 5.That say bugs and any thing out there come kill me take me out of the pool so I dont pass on my gens.The big lsd went from 12 inches to that size in like 35 days in the ground june 10 pick was july 15 I think.Not so sure about this. 'chemicals', organic growing uses compounds containing carbon, the basic building block for ALL living things.

Organic gardening also means that in well maintained soil, there are millions and millions of micro organisms that form a symbiotic relationship with the plants, meaning the plants supply sugars to the microbes and they in turn breakdown food, or 'nutes', in the soill and make them available to the plants. Many chemical ferts , if applied too liberally, can be detrimental to these microbes.

One of the main differences between feeding plants using chemical nutrients and feeding the microbes in the soil, is that when the microbes breakdown and eat the stuff in the soil or the nutes that you've watered in, they 'immobilize' the food, making it impossible for the nutes to drain or flush out of the soil.

When feeding plants in a sterile media, using chemical chelated nutrients, there is nothing to immobilize the food. Meaning that nutrients are only available shortly after watering. This means that you have to fertilize more often, depositing salts into the media that must be flushed out more often to prevent toxic build-up.

Also, all the chemical 'runoff' is probably going down the drain and into the local river systems, contributing to the myriad pollution problems we already have.

Considering most people on this forum are building their own soil that is essentially a water only mix, that makes it a less complicated process than measuring out correct doses of chemicals that must be ph balanced and have the proper EC and and just the right TDS blah blah blah.......

As far as the same nutrients being available........ well that's just not true. Do you think that a meal from McDonald's is just as healthy as a home cooked meal with fresh veggies ? ........

Bat guano, or Bat shit as you so eloquently put it, does not on its own improve taste in bud. It is a natural fertilizer that also contains beneficial bacteria like composts and worm castings.
Again this is just me .Again Im just trying to offer the best meds I could offer to some one who it could help and this is the way im doing it I would take any help I can get to start down this path.

This is a problem when becoming legal. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. If you had 5 patients and where a patient yourself the most you could harvest would be 15.5 oz per 15 day period. And that is if all your patients continually took the max. I believe you would be over that. LOL Seriously though you would be giving away a lot of free stuff to other caregivers or the dispensary or finally the police.......

 

[vwgtiron]

To be honest all my strains are cloned or seed from a bank. I have traveled up to montreal a coupla times

 

[vwgtiron]

I did not know DHHS was doing this, I do know I refer patients to other groups if they are closer. And only if I have tried their medicine. There are some groups that treat it as drug dealing to be sure. Also I know that DHHS has paperwork out to register but I believe that this is a problem for privacy. Please refer to the maine website application for caregivers. Lets say your patients dont want to register, but they require you to fill out the paperwork with a patients info so the state still knows who is receiving and growing. However the old rules still apply and patients have to the end of the year to register. Hmmm see below
INSTRUCTIONS FOR COMPLETING APPLICATION FORM FOR INDIVIDUAL CAREGIVER
MAINE MEDICAL USE OF MARIJUANA PROGRAM
Effective July 1, 2010

The application form is to be completed and signed by the individual caregiver. A registry identification card will not be issued unless the Department has received and approved a patient who has named this caregiver.
If a caregiver is named by the patient, then the caregiver is required to complete and submit the caregiver application. Fees are payable to the Treasurer, State of Maine, as follows:
If the caregiver is non-growing, there is no fee
If the caregiver grows marijuana, the fee is $300 for each patient each year
Section 1 is identifying information ABOUT the patient. This section must be completed in order to match the caregiver application with the patient application.
Section 2 is left blank for an individual caregiver.
Section 3 is to be completed by the individual primary caregiver. If the primary caregiver will grow marijuana, the caregiver MUST identify the physical address where marijuana will be grown, and describe the enclosed locked facility. Important: An enclosed, locked facility means a closet, room, or other enclosed area within a building, or an enclosed locked facility within a greenhouse, that is equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a cardholder.
If the caregiver will prepare marijuana for ingestion by a patient, the caregiver must first obtain a food establishment license.
Caregivers will not be issued a caregiver registration card if he/she has had a drug conviction in the last 10 years for which he/she a sentence of one or more years MAY have been imposed, even if that sentence, or a part thereof, was suspended. Caregivers will be required to notify the Department of all states where the caregiver has resided in the last 10 years so that state background checks can be obtained.
The caregiver shall submit the application to:
Maine Medical Use of Marijuana Program
Division of Licensing and Regulatory Services
Department of Health and Human Services
11 State House Station
41 Anthony Ave.
Augusta, ME 04333

Any questions concerning the application can be submitted to samantha.gay@maine.gov or call 287-4235, and someone will contact you.