ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[gaiusmarius]

i think your missing the point..

those who abuse the med system "because it makes me feel high" are the example pointed to by anti med people in other states..
so in a way they are in part responsible for legitimate patients being denied meds..

as for the "comparison" why would you not compare your pain medications?
or do you not believe cannabis is medication?

why not compare them? because they are oposites, heroin and alcohol can quickly kill you, even in one sitting, if they don't kill you the enslave you in addiction.

when has cannabis ever been the cause of an over dose leading to death? never, so comparing them is plain wrong and will only add to peoples fear who are ignorant of these matters.

You completely missed the point I was trying to make, which is we need to pass 19 so that rec users don't need to hide under 215 to enjoy a smoke, thus helping to legitify the mmj scene in California, as well as across the nation.

i didn't miss the point, i can totally get with the above statement. i'm just pointing out that you were going over the top in your quest to show the last few no's in this thread, how wrong they are. unless you really do believe that cannabis and heroin are in the same league.

sure there are conservative groups out there that hate the way Cali has made cannabis so easy to legally consume and they hate on the whole med scene. but believe you me those same fucks will vote no on prop 19 regardless if the med program was run strictly or not. the vast majority has come to see that cannabis is basically harmless and a lot of them have jumped at the chance of getting legal. while the rest have friends or family who smoke and have also realized it's no big deal.

 

[dagnabit]

why not compare them? because they are oposites, heroin and alcohol can quickly kill you, even in one sitting, if they don't kill you the enslave you in addiction.

when has cannabis ever been the cause of an over dose leading to death? never, so comparing them is plain wrong and will only add to peoples fear who are ignorant of these matters.

ummm you just compared them



what im saying is..

they are both medications for pain.
to compare them as such is valid.

you just compared the two by LD-50/addictive properties.

i may want to compare by level of efficacy or by rapidity of results..

but to say the two are incomparable is to asinine.

 

[gaiusmarius]

cannabis is not a medication for pain, by calling it that you are shooting yourself in the foot. but even worse you are doing cannabis an injustice, it has so many functions and effects, it has a spiritual side, a medicinal side which hasn't even been fully comprehended yet and a recreational aspect and not to forget a huge industrial potential. in non of it's guises is it harmful or addictive. it's like comparing homeopathic with antibiotics, just patently ridiculous.

maybe you are bit confused about the larger properties of cannabis because you use it for pain.

again it's like comparing herbal tea for sleeping with valium or what ever. we shouldn't give the impression this stuff is only medicine as the whole point of 19 is for recreational and industrial use.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

sam, thats if the central valley would even be liberal enough to allow outdoor massive grow ops. sure maybe in the future at some point. but it looks like if its a liberal county under med, then it will be one under 19. only difference is that under 19 the counties can opt to not allow sales at all.

Once the counties see the taxes that can be raised by taxing cultivation on a big scale they will be interested. That is why Prop 19 did it smart instead of putting all the eggs into the states hands and they don't act for whatever reason, individual counties can allow commercial recreational grows. California has 58 chances to allow commercial growing, and some counties will for sure.
I predict it will not be about liberal or not it will be about the taxes that can be raised, work that will be created.

-SamS

 

[someotherguy]

why not compare them? because they are oposites, heroin and alcohol can quickly kill you, even in one sitting, if they don't kill you the enslave you in addiction.

when has cannabis ever been the cause of an over dose leading to death? never, so comparing them is plain wrong and will only add to peoples fear who are ignorant of these matters.



i didn't miss the point, i can totally get with the above statement. i'm just pointing out that you were going over the top in your quest to show the last few no's in this thread, how wrong they are. unless you really do believe that cannabis and heroin are in the same league.

sure there are conservative groups out there that hate the way Cali has made cannabis so easy to legally consume and they hate on the whole med scene. but believe you me those same fucks will vote no on prop 19 regardless if the med program was run strictly or not. the vast majority has come to see that cannabis is basically harmless and a lot of them have jumped at the chance of getting legal. while the rest have friends or family who smoke and have also realized it's no big deal.

the point is it is a big deal that you currently have to
sell your integrity to get 'legal'.

i for one find that intolerable, i'd rather risk arrest
than do the cowardly thing and lie and pretend to
have an ailment to get a 'doctor' to give me a
'recommendation'.

piss on that, ...and vote yes on Prop 19.

peace, SOG

 

[gaiusmarius]

the point is it is a big deal that you currently have to
sell your integrity to get 'legal'.

i for one find that intolerable, i'd rather risk arrest
than do the cowardly thing and lie and pretend to
have an ailment to get a 'doctor' to give me a
'recommendation'.

piss on that, ...and vote yes on Prop 19.

peace, SOG

i totally agree, i wouldn't want to be on some list on the internet as a medical cannabis user, specially not if there was another way to smoke it with out fear.

the it's not a big deal comment was referring to most people knowing that cannabis use is not a big deal. you have to try get the context right when reading peoples posts.

 

[someotherguy]

how can you compare Oxycontin, alcohol etc with cannabis?

so according to you those that use the medical loophole to be able to enjoy cannabis are evil?

the point is it's the lie that is evil.

hm interesting and here was me thinking that forbidding the use of cannabis in the first place was the evil part. anything we do to be able to enjoy our cannabis legally is there for totally fair. with out the evil prohibition you wouldn't have to use medical to stop the government from locking you up like an animal.

again, if we lie in order to 'enjoy our cannabis legally', we are selling our integrity and becoming
nothing more than liars. . .lies lead to more lies and pretty soon you run for Congress.

i get that 19 needs passing, but really you are coming off more like some kind of jack ass dea agent swearing about the medical users getting away with using cannabis, omg how evil? roflmao. even comparing cannabis to basically heroin for fucks sake? wow never thought i'd hear that comparison on ic mag. comparing the most benign substance on the planet with the deadliest when it comes to mind altering stuff.

you did miss his point and laughing at him won't change that.

i totally agree, i wouldn't want to be on some list on the internet as a medical cannabis user, specially not if there was another way to smoke it with out fear.

...and being on a list is the smallest part of my
objection as, sadly, every time i tell a lie, i can't
escape knowing i'm a liar and i don't like how
that feels, so i don't lie, period.

the it's not a big deal comment was referring to most people knowing that cannabis use is not a big deal. you have to try get the context right when reading peoples posts.

...and i've read all your posts, all of them and you
have often said you believe this should pass and
then you repeatedly seem to espouse the opposite
view, kinda hard to figure exactly where your head
really is.

so i feel i have a very good handle on 'the context'
thank you very much.

peace, SOG

 

[rives]

come on man. im in Fla and its an insult to me and other growers in my state to compare us with MV.

there are those here with his mentality and that has lead us to operate under harsh penalties.

poss over 20 gms -- Felony
cultivation under 25 plants Felony and Over 25 Min Mandatory 15 yrs.

not all of us share his company and b/c of prop215 we can argue a Medical Necessity Defense in court and prop19 would give us more ammunition to overcome the Anti Cannabis propaganda.

My apologies, SSH. I certainly wasn't referring to you growers who are laboring under some of the worst laws in the nation - I was poking a little fun at some of the confusion from the presidential election a few years ago. And no, I don't think that the whole state is composed of voters like that. However, there may be enough of them that they are the source of your onerous laws!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

unless you really do believe that cannabis and heroin are in the same league.

Sigh....your still not grasping it...

I wasn't comparing cannabis to oxycontin. I was making the argument that cannabis makes me feel good and so does oxycontin. Which seems to be the only arugment from the 215 people who try to justify their use, rather than accept what 215 was really for... TERMINALLY SICK AND DYING PEOPLE.

Oxycontin and vicodin or two of the worst possible substances on this earth. I have had too many friends pass away from overdoses from these wretched pills rather it was intentional or not.

The comparison I was making is that people have made up these "symptoms" to get a reccomendation to use medical cannabis. I think its a shame that people have to lie or try to justify their use of mj through some bogus ass medical system.

Now I have seen numerous cases where cannabis has been a miracle plant and TRULY help people in a serious time of need, this is not what im debating.

My debate is with the people who say ALL mj use is medical use, when it clearly is not. You may be able to justify it to yourself with these false claims and a little snicker, but your not fooling anybody.

We need to remove ALL recreational users from 215 so that it is no longer viewed as some joke to califronians and the rest of the country. The continued abuse of 215 will only further prove detrimental to other states who dream of having the legislation that we have in california. It has already done so and I feel that if 19 would have been passed the same year as 215, then we would have had many more states that would have adopted mmj laws rather than look at CA and say FUCK IT we arent going to allow legalization in my state through a false front like "medical" marijuana.

215 has done its deed in the way of removing alot of the social taboo associated with this long prohibited substance, however 2010 needs to be the year that we as a people say NO MORE. Let the truly sick and dying stay with the medical system, that way the people who truly want to help patients can do so without having to do interviews with patients to see who really qualifies to recieve free medication, rather just some kid who wants to get high without getting arrested.

We now have that chance and it sickens me to see these 215 people shoot down 19 when 19 can make 215 more legitimate. And I hear the same rhetoric over and over, "just get a recc. just get a recc." well id rather not have to pay some quack doctor $150 to get a piece of paper that says im allowed to smoke when we have a chance of legalizing marijuana for the huge majority of people in california.

VOTE YES ON 19 TO MAKE IT LEGAL FOR ALL ADULTS TO RESPONSIBLY CONSUME CANNABIS !!!

 

[JackTheGrower]

Vote No on 19 so people like this can represent the medical marijuana movement and make it look like a bigger joke than it already is....


California's lax stance is what has made it so difficult for other states to accept mmj and the states that have adopted mmj laws have taken a much harsher stance due to the overabused system in california.

While you may say, who cares? Think about all the seriously ill terminal patients who cannot get their medicine legally because their state looks to california and sees mmj as a way "just to get high", rather than help relieve people of pain.

Im really tired of hearing this selfish view from so many that say "just get a recc", you are the reason mmj has become a joke, you are the reason people in other states have to suffer, you are the reason SERIOUSLY ill people goto jail simply because you want to smoke recreationally and try to justify it as medical use.

And dont sit and tell me how I cant tell if someone is sick or not. This is true, not always are peoples conditions viewable. But having owned, operated and volunteered at a number of dispensaries, I have extensive experience in helping people who have legitimate reason to use marijuana. However, I can tell you that when I ask people "what is your condition that marijuana helps" ive had so many responses like "it helps me surf better" or "it makes music sound better" or "it makes me not bored" or some other completley fucking ridiculous reasoning, and they think its cute.

Well im all for the recreational use 110%. If you can smoke your lungs black with chemical additives and tobacco and drowned your liver in liquor, you should be able to smoke yourself retarded (which it seems many have already succeeded in doing so...)

But the fact that people who use MMJ as a loophole to recreationally smoke is a fucking joke, and prop 19 will end that. Once people see ONLY very sick and terminal patients using medical marijuana, it may just recieve the respect it derserves.

Until that day happends, and we continue seeing a majority of healthy people using medical marijuana, it will continue to be a joke and a fight for those who seriously need it in states that have yet to adopt mmj laws.

-rant over

Wow.. We in the Anal-zone and I don't mean the sexy black lady.

 

[mrdizzle]

hahahaha

I couldnt figure out how IC mags stance on prop19 was soo different from every other marijuana site? then I realized its only like 5 people going on and on and on and on about nothing

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Wow.. We in the Anal-zone and I don't mean the sexy black lady.

Yeah im such an asshole huh? Im just some dick who would like to see the 215 used for its real intention so that people across this great country may have the opportunity to heal themselfs without fear or arrest. I must be the worst person in the world....

 

[Grass Lands]

freely and without fear of prosecution in California.....

This holds true....until the tourist returns to their home state or country for that matter and if the company they work for is not cannabis friendly..you can bet there will be a good chance they will be tested if the company has any clue the the tourist returned from cali...

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

This holds true....until the tourist returns to their home state or country for that matter and if the company they work for is not cannabis friendly..you can bet there will be a good chance they will be tested if the company has any clue the the tourist returned from cali...

Instead of worrying what *might* happend. Lets worry about what IS happening right here in california right now and that is we have thousands of people having to goto jail for something that is no more harmful than a blow job. Oh wait I can get herpes from a blowjob?? Ok for something that is SAFER than a blowjob.

VOTE YES FOR 19 SO THAT WE CAN LEGALIZE BLOWJOBS,,ERRR I MEAN CANNABIS

 

[HempHut]

This holds true....until the tourist returns to their home state or country for that matter and if the company they work for is not cannabis friendly..you can bet there will be a good chance they will be tested if the company has any clue the the tourist returned from cali...

There's already been many years of cannabis tourism to places like Amsterdam -- if there was a real issue it would have raised its head by now.

People generally know what their work situation is like and take the proper precautions, if required. People know if they need to keep details on the down low or if they can be frank about things or go into detail.

You should know what your situation is already and be taking whatever precautions are necessary.

Just because someone got tested after visiting California or Amsterdam or wherever does not mean that's the reason they were tested -- Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

 

[Grass Lands]

Instead of worrying what *might* happend. Lets worry about what IS happening right here in california right now and that is we have thousands of people having to goto jail for something that is no more harmful than a blow job. Oh wait I can get herpes from a blowjob?? Ok for something that is SAFER than a blowjob.

VOTE YES FOR 19 SO THAT WE CAN LEGALIZE BLOWJOBS,,ERRR I MEAN CANNABIS

Its not an uncommon practice Herb...I was tested upon returning from vacation...guess where I came back from...yep you guessed it cali...lived in TX at the time...so it can and will happen...

 

[MaddsVonF]

Ok,

any reason for censoring my post?

did'nt see any RULES against what I posted.

bb57

 

[Hydrosun]

VOTE YES FOR 19 SO THAT WE CAN LEGALIZE BLOWJOBS,,ERRR I MEAN CANNABIS

That is actually one of the brightest things you have said.

The various states have had anti-sodomy and anti-fellatio laws, but you know what peoples HUMAN rights to blow jobs is not up to majority vote, and the courts of this land (US Supreme Court, Walker v. Texas) have said loud and clear that the majority can not tyrannize the minority and legislate morality.

Stay out of my bedroom and my stash box. Neither need your approval or vote. Take your pigs and taxes and leave.

 

[someotherguy]

Its not an uncommon practice Herb...I was tested upon returning from vacation...guess where I came back from...yep you guessed it cali...lived in TX at the time...so it can and will happen...

that still isn't a reason to vote no, in fact it makes it
even more imperative that this pass, otherwise we
will return to the dark ages of prohibition.

as has already been said, if Prop 19 is defeated then
all the prohibitionists will use it as a mandate to keep
any future Propositions from the ballot.

frankly, the only people who benefit from a defeat
are the prohibitionists and the drug dealers, 2 sides
of the same coin.

peace, SOG

 

[KharmaGirl]

Ok,

any reason for censoring my post?

did'nt see any RULES against what I posted.

bb57

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